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Re: Evolution Dogma [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19947597 - 05/06/14 12:44 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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not-conscious is not the same as not consciousness



Wow. An adjective is not the same as a noun? Boy, have you added to my body of knowledge once again. :rolleyes:

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Unconsciousness is associated with life, and therefore consciousness.




:braindamage:

I am still waiting for a post of yours that makes a lick of sense. Here, let me try an hTxism: Death is associated with life, therefore dead people are alive. How did I do?



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Re: Evolution Dogma [Re: hTx]
    #19947604 - 05/06/14 12:48 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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You are the one to equate alive with consciousness




Once again you compare an adjective to a noun. Look them up so you can tell the difference.

I keep trying to help and you keep digging a hole.


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Re: Evolution Dogma [Re: hTx]
    #19947608 - 05/06/14 12:49 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

I agree. hTxisms are both laughable and retarded.


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Re: Evolution Dogma [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19947622 - 05/06/14 12:54 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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You are the one to equate alive with consciousness




Once again you compare an adjective to a noun. Look them up so you can tell the difference.

I keep trying to help and you keep digging a hole.



no shit sherlock.

Its why WhiteBeards claim that I was equating an adjective to a noun is completely whack.


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Re: Evolution Dogma [Re: hTx]
    #19947631 - 05/06/14 12:56 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

A red herring fallacy is an error in logic where a proposition is, or is intended to be, misleading in order to make irrelevant or false inferences. In the general case any logical inference based on fake arguments, intended to replace the lack of real arguments or to replace implicitly the subject of the discussion.

OC has used nothing but red herring fallacies throughout this entire thread.


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Re: Evolution Dogma [Re: hTx]
    #19947641 - 05/06/14 12:58 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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Its It's why WhiteBeards WhiteBeard's claim that I was equating an adjective to a noun is completely whack.




You did compare the two - twice! Please try to get one right. It is downright embarrassing.


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Re: Evolution Dogma [Re: hTx]
    #19947645 - 05/06/14 01:00 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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A red herring fallacy is an error in logic where a proposition is, or is intended to be, misleading in order to make irrelevant or false inferences. In the general case any logical inference based on fake arguments, intended to replace the lack of real arguments or to replace implicitly the subject of the discussion.

OC has used nothing but red herring fallacies throughout this entire thread.




Perhaps if you presented you arguments in a readable format instead of gibberish such as "Alive and Consciousness are entangled..." then we might be able to have an intelligent discussion. Or perhaps not...


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Re: Evolution Dogma [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19947662 - 05/06/14 01:06 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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Its It's why WhiteBeards WhiteBeard's claim that I was equating an adjective to a noun is completely whack.




You did compare the two - twice! Please try to get one right. It is downright embarrassing.



to you maybe.
I'm not comparing the two, I'm literally saying if something is alive, it has consciousness.

All you are saying is "you cannot compare a noun to an adjective"

RED HERRING TO THE MAX

My points are still easily understood to anyone who isn't a godamed grammar nazi (actually even than are they understood as you feel so obliged to correct me)  or a computer program.

How you haven't been banned from this forum reveals a lot to me, one that you are likely a sock puppet of a moderator, or two, the moderators all have you on ignore. :grin:


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Re: Evolution Dogma [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19947674 - 05/06/14 01:09 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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A red herring fallacy is an error in logic where a proposition is, or is intended to be, misleading in order to make irrelevant or false inferences. In the general case any logical inference based on fake arguments, intended to replace the lack of real arguments or to replace implicitly the subject of the discussion.

OC has used nothing but red herring fallacies throughout this entire thread.




Perhaps if you presented you arguments in a readable format instead of gibberish such as "Alive and Consciousness are entangled..." then we might be able to have an intelligent discussion. Or perhaps not...



perhaps if you were intelligent enough to have an intelligent discussion, you might be able to have an intelligent discussion.

As it stands, i've had several intelligent discussions with several intelligent people on the previous 17 pages, and, of course, the moment I address you, its nothing but fallacy after fallacy.

Not that I expected much else.


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Re: Evolution Dogma [Re: hTx]
    #19947692 - 05/06/14 01:15 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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My points are still easily understood to anyone who isn't a godamed goddamned grammar nazi Nazi




Are you admitting that basic language skills are too difficult for some to master? The sloppiness in your grammar is equaled by the sloppiness in your arguments. If you cannot present them in cogent form why should readers try to figure out what you actually mean? Is that not the presenter's job?


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Re: Evolution Dogma [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19947722 - 05/06/14 01:23 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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My points are still easily understood to anyone who isn't a godamed goddamned grammar nazi Nazi




Are you admitting that basic language skills are too difficult for some to master? The sloppiness in your grammar is equaled by the sloppiness in your arguments. If you cannot present them in cogent form why should readers try to figure out what you actually mean? Is that not the presenter's job?



Red Herring.

Just because you do not understand me, ever, doesn't mean others do not.

Its actually a pretty simple idea, one that has the obviousness of "Damn how come I didn't think of that?"

Grammar correction will come later, as it stands, this entire thread is more of a  :takingnotes: for myself more than anything.


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Re: Evolution Dogma [Re: hTx]
    #19947744 - 05/06/14 01:29 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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this entire thread is more of a  :takingnotes: for myself more than anything.




I finally get what all the fapping was about. It is starting to make some weird sort of sense. :whatever:


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Re: Evolution Dogma [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19947782 - 05/06/14 01:42 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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this entire thread is more of a  :takingnotes: for myself more than anything.




I finally get what all the fapping was about. It is starting to make some weird sort of sense. :whatever:



You haven't gotten the OP nor the following 18 pages at all as is fucking chronicled in the previous 17 pages of debate and my ignoring of most of your off-topic and idiotic comments.

I'm bored and you are my play thing atm. :shrug:

your a classic nitpicker, major, major user of fallacies intended to make yourself seem superior to the untrained eye, and your probably not even a real person, hence why i can post something which pushes your buttons and you will, like a program, always respond accordingly and unsurprisingly.


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Re: Evolution Dogma [Re: hTx]
    #19947822 - 05/06/14 01:57 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, 18 pages of people correcting your nonsense. Would it ever occur to you to take an advanced biology course or read some books on evolution?

No, of course not, as that would make sense. You can get other ignorant posters to play your game, but you have presented nothing that will remotely overturn standard theory nor add to the body of knowledge.

People who want to disprove standard theories in any field first need to understand them.


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Re: Evolution Dogma [Re: hTx] * 1
    #19947831 - 05/06/14 01:57 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Evolution Dogma [Re: Rose]
    #20843010 - 11/15/14 09:02 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

this article is worthy of a bump due to relevance and recent publication


http://www.nature.com/news/does-evolutionary-theory-need-a-rethink-1.16080

"Charles Darwin conceived of evolution by natural selection without knowing that genes exist. Now mainstream evolutionary theory has come to focus almost exclusively on genetic inheritance and processes that change gene frequencies.
Yet new data pouring out of adjacent fields are starting to undermine this narrow stance. An alternative vision of evolution is beginning to crystallize, in which the processes by which organisms grow and develop are recognized as causes of evolution."


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Re: Evolution Dogma [Re: hTx]
    #20843085 - 11/15/14 09:23 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, hTx, there is a lot of talk like that these days.  I remembered a very pertinent article I had read in Scientific American, and have found it once again on our wonderful interwebz.  Here's the link:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-surprising-origins-of-evolutionary-complexity/


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Conventional wisdom holds that complex structures evolve from simpler ones, step-by-step, through a gradual evolutionary process, with Darwinian selection favoring intermediate forms along the way.

But recently some scholars have proposed that complexity can arise by other means—as a side effect, for instance—even without natural selection to promote it.
   
Studies suggest that random mutations that individually have no effect on an organism can fuel the emergence of complexity in a process known as constructive neutral evolution.




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Re: Evolution Dogma [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #20843199 - 11/15/14 09:51 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I don't think your going to change the mind of someone who calls themself conclusion.


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Re: Evolution Dogma [Re: Yage]
    #20843306 - 11/15/14 10:19 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

novel theories or ideas do not become established by the eventual overturning of those whom would oppose them, but by a new generation who grow up around the ideas without prior bias.


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Re: Evolution Dogma [Re: hTx]
    #20843318 - 11/15/14 10:22 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

there exists a certain rigidity within the mind, which I hope to not encounter within myself although due to my age, its likely i'm becoming quite rigid without realizing it --                  which inhibits acceptance of novel ideas even if empirical evidence is smacking them in the face.


If it happened to Einstein with quantum mechanics, its likely this happens with almost everyone.


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