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The Singularity
    #19158257 - 11/19/13 04:14 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

is nothing like the new agers and popular media portrays it..I believe McKenna was right in his prediction that a singularity will happen..however, it seems he like many other thought it was going to be this all of a sudden like change..like humans were just going to automatically be changed by a date.

No.

The singularity is happening and has been. These things take time, as all change is time, but the amount of change occurring in the next five years will be so tremendous that it will match the definition of a true singularity.

Meaning such major changes in a rather short amount of time. that its impossible to even imagine where it all ends or stabilizes..its likely when this happens that it will simply mark the transitory period towards our next level of community,  the evolution of the species.  Singularity has been in the works since evolution even began, accelerating ever-more.

That these major changes are a good or bad thing I wont comment on, but everyone else feel free.


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Re: The Singularity [Re: hTx]
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Re: The Singularity [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19158273 - 11/19/13 04:20 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: The Singularity [Re: hTx]
    #19158278 - 11/19/13 04:21 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: The Singularity [Re: hTx]
    #19158556 - 11/19/13 07:50 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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is nothing like the new agers and popular media portrays it..I believe McKenna was right in his prediction that a singularity will happen..however, it seems he like many other thought it was going to be this all of a sudden like change..like humans were just going to automatically be changed by a date.

No.

The singularity is happening and has been. These things take time, as all change is time, but the amount of change occurring in the next five years will be so tremendous that it will match the definition of a true singularity.

Meaning such major changes in a rather short amount of time. that its impossible to even imagine where it all ends or stabilizes..its likely when this happens that it will simply mark the transitory period towards our next level of community,  the evolution of the species.  Singularity has been in the works since evolution even began, accelerating ever-more.

That these major changes are a good or bad thing I wont comment on, but everyone else feel free.



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Re: The Singularity [Re: Icelander]
    #19158567 - 11/19/13 07:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Can't get any more specific than 'these major changes'. No wonder this is a dying forum.


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Re: The Singularity [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19158636 - 11/19/13 08:23 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: The Singularity [Re: Universaleyeni]
    #19158662 - 11/19/13 08:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I don't believe that a singularity is as near as you believe. We will be approaching the limits of silicon microprocessors fairly soon. However, I won't consider my life worthwhile if I do not experience its creation so I hope it does happen.


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Re: The Singularity [Re: Universaleyeni]
    #19158683 - 11/19/13 08:41 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Did that just pop into your head and so you thought it must be true?


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Re: The Singularity [Re: robbyberto]
    #19158716 - 11/19/13 08:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I don't believe that a singularity is as near as you believe. We will be approaching the limits of silicon microprocessors fairly soon. However, I won't consider my life worthwhile if I do not experience its creation so I hope it does happen.



you may be right but the potential is present here and now..the only thing holding it all back is the current structure of power..which will also be changed at such an extreme rate that it will all tie into and be apart of the overall singularity.

@ice you don't seem to understand what a singularity is other than what new agers and the like have told you. This post belongs here as I am not speculating beyond the event happening.


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Re: The Singularity [Re: hTx]
    #19158739 - 11/19/13 09:02 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I have long had the idea that all biological life intelligent enough to do so must eventually create an intellectual singularity and incidentally makes itself kind of irrelevant. And that's why I think we may never encounter aliens we recognize as being biologically alive. Anyway, quantum computers and biocomputers which are fully realized are seemingly a way off and I think Moore's law is going to poop its pants soon. We're going to be stuck with regular computational bits for awhile and that is why I don't think that a singularity is coming any time soon. Well this is just my very layman understanding of it all.


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Re: The Singularity [Re: robbyberto]
    #19159107 - 11/19/13 10:52 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

singularity is the exceptional superiority so free out of all realities

that you mean when it would be clearly present constant fact, would have the effect of all change to not be alike, on the contrary, by being against since singular, so free negatively from knowing it, all would be a present fact being and would stop inventing being for/from powers over everything being right, because it would reject clearly the singular, then all would be at a point really free being, so reality would be a fact existing, where anyone would be assuming its individuality in knowing how it hates superior being

that is what confirm the sense to be for worse ends ... that you can see now everywhere, that dirty freedom and revolutions craps as the most hateful conspiracy against truth and rights in the most present insolent ways and facts


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Re: The Singularity [Re: hTx]
    #19159148 - 11/19/13 11:01 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I don't believe that a singularity is as near as you believe. We will be approaching the limits of silicon microprocessors fairly soon. However, I won't consider my life worthwhile if I do not experience its creation so I hope it does happen.



you may be right but the potential is present here and now..the only thing holding it all back is the current structure of power..which will also be changed at such an extreme rate that it will all tie into and be apart of the overall singularity.

@ice you don't seem to understand what a singularity is other than what new agers and the like have told you. This post belongs here as I am not speculating beyond the event happening.





It already happened and you missed it. :haha:


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Re: The Singularity [Re: Icelander]
    #19159709 - 11/19/13 01:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Death= birth




Did that just pop into your head and so you thought it must be true?




It popped into my head some yrs back and so i know its true :tongue2:


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Re: The Singularity [Re: hTx]
    #19159766 - 11/19/13 01:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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like humans were just going to automatically be changed by a date.

No.

The singularity is happening and has been. These things take time, as all change is time, but the amount of change occurring in the next five years will be so tremendous that it will match the definition of a true singularity.





Of course.  2012 didn't quite work out, but it'll be in the next 5 years, for sure.


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Re: The Singularity [Re: hTx]
    #19159769 - 11/19/13 01:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

the prawns in human 3.0 have been breeding with cuttlefish


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Re: The Singularity [Re: redgreenvines]
    #19159776 - 11/19/13 01:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The chitinous exoskeleton makes them impervious to cosmic and solar radiation. Perfect for space travel. :yesnod:


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Re: The Singularity [Re: Universaleyeni]
    #19160067 - 11/19/13 02:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Did that just pop into your head and so you thought it must be true?




It popped into my head some yrs back and so i know its true :tongue2:



:curbyourenthusiasm:  That's what I thought.


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Re: The Singularity [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #19160078 - 11/19/13 02:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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like humans were just going to automatically be changed by a date.

No.

The singularity is happening and has been. These things take time, as all change is time, but the amount of change occurring in the next five years will be so tremendous that it will match the definition of a true singularity.





Of course.  2012 didn't quite work out, but it'll be in the next 5 years, for sure.





Neither did all the shit in the 70s, 60s, 80s, 90s, and 1800s and back in Roman times etc but I'm sure it will in five more years. :monkeydance:


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Re: The Singularity [Re: Icelander]
    #19160899 - 11/19/13 05:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i think the "singularity" is going to have to do with computers being so integral to our everyday life.  I think there is going to come a time when nobody anywhere is going to be able to hide anything from each other.
I also think that technologies such as the oculous rift is going to change the way we think of media all together.  If you could create your world around you, why the hell wouldn't you?  It will be interesting to see what is going to happen in the next 5-10 years.


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Re: The Singularity [Re: Icelander]
    #19161479 - 11/19/13 07:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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like humans were just going to automatically be changed by a date.

No.

The singularity is happening and has been. These things take time, as all change is time, but the amount of change occurring in the next five years will be so tremendous that it will match the definition of a true singularity.





Of course.  2012 didn't quite work out, but it'll be in the next 5 years, for sure.





Neither did all the shit in the 70s, 60s, 80s, 90s, and 1800s and back in Roman times etc but I'm sure it will in five more years. :monkeydance:



lol its pretty clear you have a very naive understanding of what the definition of a singularity is and I also specifically said in OP that most ideas about singularity were based in fantasy wishful thinking. ..the idea behind singular type of change were based off a paper published expressing the possibility and eventual certainty that the culmination of our technilogical innovation will lead to change so rapid that it will dramatically effect the way we go about our daily lives.

it isn't hard to see that the development of technology has been accelarating and that technology and increased knowledge have already dramatically effected the way we go about our daily lives in a rather short amount of time.


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Re: The Singularity [Re: hTx]
    #19161518 - 11/19/13 07:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

If there are words with definitions that are ambiguous then perhaps it would be for the best if instead you were to talk about the concept in place of using the word. Thanks...:thumbup:


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Re: The Singularity [Re: hTx]
    #19161572 - 11/19/13 07:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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like humans were just going to automatically be changed by a date.

No.

The singularity is happening and has been. These things take time, as all change is time, but the amount of change occurring in the next five years will be so tremendous that it will match the definition of a true singularity.





Of course.  2012 didn't quite work out, but it'll be in the next 5 years, for sure.





Neither did all the shit in the 70s, 60s, 80s, 90s, and 1800s and back in Roman times etc but I'm sure it will in five more years. :monkeydance:



lol its pretty clear you have a very naive understanding of what the definition of a singularity is and I also specifically said in OP that most ideas about singularity were based in fantasy wishful thinking. ..the idea behind singular type of change were based off a paper published expressing the possibility and eventual certainty that the culmination of our technilogical innovation will lead to change so rapid that it will dramatically effect the way we go about our daily lives.

it isn't hard to see that the development of technology has been accelarating and that technology and increased knowledge have already dramatically effected the way we go about our daily lives in a rather short amount of time.




Another fantasy definition from your imaginary dictionary?:lol:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singularity


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Re: The Singularity [Re: Cactilove]
    #19161602 - 11/19/13 07:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Are you speaking of a super human AI or technology in general? The AI singularity is still a theory though technological progress can certainly be charted in a nice exponential curve, but it's possible it could top out without any game changers.


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Re: The Singularity [Re: Rahz]
    #19161717 - 11/19/13 08:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I have been talking about AI.


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Re: The Singularity [Re: robbyberto]
    #19163308 - 11/20/13 01:46 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I always thought of "The" singularity as being technological in nature, not really new age.  I was a fervent convert back in the early 2000's when I first found Ray Kurtzweil's writings but as I get older I feel more and more doubtful that it will happen. 

Ultimately it just seems too good to be true.  There's something about the idea of a transhuman utopia that implies a basic goodness or justice in the universe that I honestly just don't see.  Even if we did end up mastering physical existence and creating superhuman intelligence I know there would be some awful dark side, like only the super rich and powerful would be allowed to participate.


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Re: The Singularity [Re: Mr Person]
    #19163346 - 11/20/13 02:04 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Well said.:thumbup: This is my issue with all the hopeful youth expecting utopia to spring energetically from the soil of our current reality. It's totally unrealistic.  Of course it HAS to be projected into the future because there is nothing resembling it now. And while the future might hold a better star trek like world for humanity (still needing a bad guy to have an interesting show) that future is nowhere near any corner we are going to turn in some serious amount of generations.  What is most likely by far imo is the destruction of our environment to the point that we start behaving fully like the cavemen we basically are.

I think if any of these hopefuls had to spend a year in the middle east they'd drop all this nonsense.


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Re: The Singularity [Re: Icelander]
    #19163378 - 11/20/13 02:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Sadly I agree that destruction is the most likely outcome.  The only hope is that a singularity with superhuman AI would include a complete understanding of the human brain.  That coupled with a singularity level knowledge of genetics and the ability to use nanotechnology in the human body would potentially allow us to manually edit out our baser natures in a very short amount of time, possibly even as short as one generation. 

That would require a massive undertaking of human effort though, and seems extremely unlikely to happen if it's not something that is universally accepted as being necessary for the survival of the species.  Of course if such a thing were successful you then run into issues of free will and a whole slew of even more awful dark sides.  It's a short and very slippery slope from defanging human nature to absolute subservience, and then you end up with something like the Star Trek's Borg or Brave New World.


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Re: The Singularity [Re: Mr Person]
    #19163681 - 11/20/13 06:17 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Something like this was the conclusion of Arthur Koestler in his book "The Ghost in the Machine" .  This was before AI was really on the radar and he believed it might be possible to come up with a pharmaceutical that might achieve that end.  Otherwise he believed the jig was up for humanity. He wasn't holding out much hope.


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Re: The Singularity [Re: Icelander]
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Re: The Singularity [Re: eve69]
    #19164801 - 11/20/13 11:46 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

That bore out the theory which is awesome, but the practical, technological hurdles to harnessing the power are still immense.


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Re: The Singularity [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19165513 - 11/20/13 01:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

all they have too do with fusion is make more money back than losing


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