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lev
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Need help identifying Armillaria
#19158249 - 11/19/13 04:12 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hi all, my first post so let's see how this goes.
Large number of mushrooms growing in clumps on rotted hardwood trunk, possibly chestnut, cherry or apple.
Spore print white, 5-15cm cap diameter, 10-20cm heighT. Caps don't seem to display specks of the honey mushroom (Armillaria mellea), perhaps this is Armillaria ostoyae?
located in Northern Spain, wet temperate region.





Thanks for the help!
Lev
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Tangich


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Re: Need help identifying Armillaria [Re: lev]
#19158313 - 11/19/13 04:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I would call this a textbook example of an European Armillaria mellea.
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mahniti
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Re: Need help identifying Armillaria [Re: Tangich]
#19158377 - 11/19/13 05:47 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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i agree. are they still growing? havent seen them for a month. whats your location??
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lev
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Re: Need help identifying Armillaria [Re: Tangich]
#19158388 - 11/19/13 05:59 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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thanks for the replies;
they are still growing yes, the photos are from today. It has only just got really autumnal here in Asturias with solid rain and cooler temps recently. The chantrelles and hedgehog fungi round here are just stopping now after a good month of fruiting.
RE these Armillaria, do the scales (see image) not appear on the caps of European melleae? I find no evidence of them on the whole clump of fungi.
thanks!
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Tangich


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Re: Need help identifying Armillaria [Re: lev]
#19158402 - 11/19/13 06:13 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I would call these on your last picture A. ostoyae (A. solidipes), or A. gallica for the European collections. As far as I'm aware, Armillaria mellea is never as scaly as that. But since they are always renaming and transferring species, I can't be 100% sure that that one isn't now considered the 'real' A. mellea.
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lev
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Re: Need help identifying Armillaria [Re: Tangich]
#19158468 - 11/19/13 06:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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thing is, they're on my doorstep and look quite tasty... are there any nasty/inedible lookalikes?
thanks for the help.
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Tangich


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Re: Need help identifying Armillaria [Re: lev]
#19158472 - 11/19/13 06:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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No, they are definitely an edible species! They can cause gastrointestinal problems for some people, so be sure to use only caps, and cook them very well!
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Re: Need help identifying Armillaria [Re: lev]
#19158609 - 11/19/13 08:09 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hey!! Nice to see a neighbour and species growing nearby! That is one big pile of Armillaria sp you've got there, congrats on your find
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Re: Need help identifying Armillaria [Re: mahniti]
#19159382 - 11/19/13 12:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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As far as I'm aware, Armillaria mellea is never as scaly as that.
sometimes they are. i found similar recently. i think its depending on type of wood they grow on, not sure.
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are there any nasty/inedible lookalikes?
theres nothing similar to a. mellea exept other armillarias which are also edible like a. tabescens for example which i also find often growing near. but im sure unexprerienced pickers can mix them with hypholomas or omphalotus for example. their appearance is very various, i even found them green and purple.
they are very tasty but hard to digest, so its not good to eat them more than twice a week for example.
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Re: Need help identifying Armillaria [Re: mahniti]
#19159397 - 11/19/13 12:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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mahniti said:
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As far as I'm aware, Armillaria mellea is never as scaly as that.
sometimes they are. i found similar recently. i think its depending on type of wood they grow on, not sure.
Was it within the same cluster as normal looking A. mellea specimens? Or at least on the same tree? I would assume it is a different species, A. gallica perhaps, or something else.
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Re: Need help identifying Armillaria [Re: Tangich]
#19159513 - 11/19/13 12:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Tangich said:
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mahniti said:
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As far as I'm aware, Armillaria mellea is never as scaly as that.
sometimes they are. i found similar recently. i think its depending on type of wood they grow on, not sure.
Was it within the same cluster as normal looking A. mellea specimens? Or at least on the same tree? I would assume it is a different species, A. gallica perhaps, or something else.
I only see a fibrous appearance to young Armillaria pins. They seem to smooth out a bit as they mature and get wet and waterlogged.
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Re: Need help identifying Armillaria [Re: mahniti]
#19159703 - 11/19/13 01:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Was it within the same cluster as normal looking A. mellea specimens? Or at least on the same tree?
yes, it was a. mellea, but im not sure on which tree it was growing, maybe lime.
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lev
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Re: Need help identifying Armillaria [Re: mahniti]
#19160706 - 11/19/13 05:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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thanks for all the replies; I'll show you the fricassée I'm planning to make for dinner tomorrow.
I'm sure I'll be back with more fun guys to identify.
cheers all!
Edited by lev (11/19/13 05:09 PM)
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Re: Need help identifying Armillaria [Re: lev]
#19161622 - 11/19/13 07:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Some Pholiota species can look similar to the untrained eye. Even some Gymnopilus can look like that.
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