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What Needs to Happen
#19158194 - 11/19/13 03:43 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't think. of is to hard to see that our societies and the borders that separate them, the wars we have fought where the enemy is always told to you, etc, are manifestations of the collective consciousness of the whole. They represent our current stage of evolution..how most of the planets population is thinking that way.
I feel it should also be obvious that the next stage of evolutuon will be when we start to see how archaic we've been as far as territorial mind goes. Forgive me if the below sounds like a utopic fantasy that's never going to happen. IMO it will happen, eventually. as a whole we are still a bit primitive but these are the growing pains and they will always be there. I guess this is a classic case of nature vs nurture (which even that age old science debate catch phrase implies it is against nature to nurture).
In my experience kids follow adults..learn everything from them including culture and what not, the illusion of separateness, how to. lie and glamorize. All the bad habits of the primitive mind passed down through the aeons..I feel many through out all time have recognized how primitive we are underneath all that faux smartness.
That much is obvious as well. Rumi's and other poetic vistas which describe evolution as it is centuries before Darwin published his theory of natural selection.
once we stop killing each other and instead uplift each other..once we stop allowing ourselves to be manipulated and stop manipulating ourselves, once we stop acting and start being, once we stop hiding information that will be beneficial towards mankind, once the world learns the power of love "than for the second time in history man will have discovered fire". All this must happen if we are ever hopeful of making contact on a wide well known scale to extra terrestrials..the current conditions and activities of our planet are rather hostile, wouldn't ya say? Who would ever want to break the silence to such a primitive people as they wouldn't understand and probably, shortlythereafter, find an excuse to get hostile.
So we need to love and uplift and save on a mass scale and when that happens, when the world gives up the love of power for the power of love, it will show everyone that we have moved pass our predominantly primitave motional-territorial state of consciousness and we will all of a sudden like, be admitted into a theorized intergalactic society awaiting for the day humans wisen up.
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Re: What Needs to Happen [Re: hTx]
#19158374 - 11/19/13 05:44 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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This is definitely what needs to happen! As individuals, we must accept that our actions have chain reactions that spiral infinitely, and each spiral growing ever so slightly, with each cycle. This change has to start within the individual in order to manifest in society on a large scale.
For example: I know that everytime I give love, it is not only returned to me by the universe, but it also plays part in the chain reaction. Even something as silly as smiling at someone can make their day, and yours. This is all love. Any little way we can give love to the universe is perfect, and plays a crucial role in the tides of our existence.
In our modern times, a driver may cut you off, give you the finger, etc. What do you think will be your natural reaction? I bet it won't be very lovely . So when this and a million other gizmos are occurring throughout the world, the chain reaction can seem dark, and hopeless. Some of us see above this, and can transform negative energy into positive energy. Most of us, like myself, are not perfect and will probably flick off that angry driver, chase him, and beat him to a pulp. Just kidding 
As a society we must awaken from the brainwash provided by society coaches, and realize how crucial this is. We must be love. It's our only chance.
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exactly, I find it quite disheartening. and counter productive to the evolution of our species at this point forward to keep doing and thinking the same old same old.
what was once a beneficial way of doing things is now a huge hindrance in regards to consciousness and societal evolution. We think we have come so far, and we have, but only in regards towards our technology which outpaced our own understanding and collective wisdom..take Hiroshima and Nagasaki for example.
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Re: What Needs to Happen [Re: hTx]
#19158546 - 11/19/13 07:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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enlightenment is evolution. nothing more. its a state of evolved consciousness, all "enlightened" beings and mystic heads are writing from a mutated understanding of what a highly evolved society would have to understand to be considered highly evolved. They are just spouting off what will be considered common knowledge for future human civilization, IMO.
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Re: What Needs to Happen [Re: hTx]
#19158558 - 11/19/13 07:50 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Our society needs to focus more on the antiquanta of things, which in my opinion governs life. In the antiquanta I include conciousness. There needs to be thought, in order to manifest.
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Re: What Needs to Happen [Re: hTx]
#19158559 - 11/19/13 07:50 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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sounds good, but..... why do we always have that us vs them mentality
we are all part of the whole, we can no more blame other people for engaging in self destructive behavior than we can ourselves..... it's easy to point fingers and scapegoat someone else as the problem rather than looking at yourself and admitting that.............fuck I am an asshole
I don't remember who said it but it rings true that if you want to change the world you have to start by changing yourself
blah blah blah how much of what we say is just our ego trying to make itself look like it's better than someone else? how sincere are we really when we talk about trying to change the world?
someone else once said that "the line which divides good and evil cuts through the heart of every man in the world, and who in their right mind would want to cut out a part of their own heart?"
let me ask you this question:
What have you done lately to make the world a better place?
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what have you done lately to make the world a better place?
He started this thread, by manifesting the idea he had to bring this topic to light...
Maybe he just IS.
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Re: What Needs to Happen [Re: hTx]
#19158897 - 11/19/13 09:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Great post, hTx.
I strongly believe that ten thousand years from now our brains will have evolved in such a way so that we're able to let fall away the primitive thinking that haunts us today. The cave-dweller thinking. The remnants of our evolutionary history.
We may still feel the occasional urge to hurt one another, but brain circuitry will be in place that says "Stop! Stealing from your neighbor is a bad move for you and your offspring. Better to have him as your ally than as your enemy."
Alas, when that day comes, I shall be dwelling in the feces remains of a long-dead worm who frequented the particular cemetery I was buried in.
In the meantime, however, I think I'll have another beer.
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the us vs them. mentality no longer serves its purpose, but that is why so many have it..because it once did. its obvious to me that this isn't a very conscious way of going about things for the future and that what I described above needs to happen and likely will due to a worldwide awareness that has been blooming for awhile now,albeit in a rather small percentage of humans..as most of us still behave like monkeys..alpha and beta (domination/submissiveness) type consciousness which always has an us vs them mentality whether your one or the other.
most of the animal kingdom behaves like this as consciousness evolved from knowing safe/unsafe to manipulating this feeling in themselves and others.
where humans seperated themselves was with the development of language which allowed for the process of consciousness evolution to accelerate itself through the process of time-binding..the ability to improve upon the ideas made possible through language throughout multiple generations. Greatly increasing the consciousness of the whole..simultaneously allowing for much more novelty to take place and also novelties opposite, custom, to have a greater hold as well which creates culture.
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Re: What Needs to Happen [Re: hTx]
#19159046 - 11/19/13 10:36 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Aren't you separating humanity into an us vs. them scenario with your categorical classification scheme? After all, according to your OP there are those who have evolved into this new, enlightened mindset and then there is everyone else who is still stuck in barbaric primitivism.
Or am I wrong?
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Re: What Needs to Happen [Re: hTx]
#19159146 - 11/19/13 11:01 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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hTx said: most of the animal kingdom behaves like this as consciousness evolved from knowing safe/unsafe to manipulating this feeling in themselves and others.
The general belief among scientists, as I understand it, is that human beings are the only species that intentionally harms others for purposes other than self-defense or food. Lions kill and maim, but not out of anger. They do so out of the real or perceived threat of danger to themselves or their offspring.
I'm aware of some research that suggests otherwise, but I think that what I've said above is the prevailing scientific view.
In my future utopia, there will still be aggression and anger (these are traits that assist in our species' survival), but we will no longer act out of anger. We may experience anger, but we will no longer act out of it.
For me, this has nothing to do with holiness, saintliness, Jesus, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
It's purely a biological brain change that will come about in order to help ensure the continued survival of our species.
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Re: What Needs to Happen [Re: deCypher]
#19159638 - 11/19/13 01:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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deCypher said: Aren't you separating humanity into an us vs. them scenario with your categorical classification scheme? After all, according to your OP there are those who have evolved into this new, enlightened mindset and then there is everyone else who is still stuck in barbaric primitivism.
Or am I wrong? 
your wrong. it isn't a new enlightened mindset its just what will be the prevailing mindset among any sufficiently advanced civilization for the reasons listed in OP.
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Re: What Needs to Happen [Re: hTx]
#19159809 - 11/19/13 02:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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My point is that you're still creating an us vs. them: the Us which will have the "prevailing mindset" and the Them that does not.
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Re: What Needs to Happen [Re: deCypher]
#19159927 - 11/19/13 02:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I never did such a thing your confusing your own thoughts on the matter with my own. there doesn't have to be a us vs them just because someone doesn't have that mentality and another does.
people don't normally include the all loving person as a "them" anyways and the all loving person doesn't even think in those terms at all as it is.
don't you see? there is no them, only us.
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Re: What Needs to Happen [Re: hTx] 1
#19160198 - 11/19/13 03:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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hTx said: don't you see? there is no them, only us.
Except for the primitives. They're not us, are they? So we can hurt them until they understand and kill them if they can't, right? Because they don't have THE TRUTH
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Re: What Needs to Happen [Re: deCypher] 1
#19160303 - 11/19/13 03:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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deCypher said: My point is that you're still creating an us vs. them: the Us which will have the "prevailing mindset" and the Them that does not.
I agree with cypher here,
htx while what you say sounds beautiful, I feel that it is of a level of being that is much higher than that which most of us have, myself included. we like to delude ourselves and think that we are, but when it comes down to it we'll put our own survival above all else.
statistically speaking you are not that "enlightened" or whatever you want to call it. maybe you truly are one of the very VERY few who do not just say this but feel and live and breathe it as well. I myself have only begun to understand what all of that means.... I used to love to theorize and intellectualize about things like this but now I understand that I must feel these things rather than think, and then perhaps through the heart these ideas can penetrate my being down to my instincts as well.... but I am not there yet so I can't say for certain.
I'm just trying to keep you honest man. Can you say FOR SURE that you aren't just deluding yourself with lofty ideas and pretty words all the while quietly being faithful to your ego?
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Re: What Needs to Happen [Re: viktor]
#19160717 - 11/19/13 05:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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hTx said: don't you see? there is no them, only us.
Except for the primitives. They're not us, are they? So we can hurt them until they understand and kill them if they can't, right? Because they don't have THE TRUTH
lol there is only us, no matter what. we're all human aren't we? meaning we all have primitive minds within our minds..but people such as the Buddha, Jesus, and various other sentient beings were able to recognize the archaic brain circuitry at work as the cause of all suffering and were able to bring us maps to navigate our consciousness into newer less hostile circuits.
The newer circuits are also present in every human as a potential base of operations (thoughts, behavior) and are usually only realized after the more primitive circuits have caused so much suffering that the pain of remaining the same outweighs the pain of change. meaning after realizing the cause of suffering as ones own base of operations (mindstate, state of consciousness..whatever) one discovers that there must be another base from which to operate from and that maybe this base is what is doing the realizing to begin with and the path begins with no destination in mind.
as one begins to walk the path the whole them thing fades into usness, and a compassion for All begins to develop and envelope ones entire being.
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Re: What Needs to Happen [Re: hTx]
#19160833 - 11/19/13 05:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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one eventually is able to literally witness primitive brain circuitry at work in oneself and others and thus, Zen is born. one can choose whether to participate or not at this point.
the only reason people have an us vs them mentality is because they're mindstate is dependent upon the state of another, meaning the actions and dramas of others are constantly affecting your own actions and dramas and the cycle just keeps going like this until someone realizes they don't have to participate with such attachment any longer and thus becomes free to be..personally speaking from experience I remember those days well and, as I am in no way enlightened, still allow myself to be effected though still feel nothing but a possibly highly illogical Love and forgiveness for every person I encounter because well..we're all in this together and I understand that most people are suffering inside and I got mad feels for that as I too have suffered greatly.
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Re: What Needs to Happen [Re: hTx]
#19163426 - 11/20/13 02:59 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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mmm
the main point i'm trying to make is who is going to do this but you? we can't wait for others to do something or use that as an excuse to not do anything
anyways i have an idea I'm going to start a good vibes thread that I'll visit every day and meditate at for a few minutes a day if you're interested come visit and contribute hopefully we can create a sacred space for all to enjoy
I've wanted to do this for a while, not sure why I'm just coming around to actually doing it
Thanks for the inspiration hTx
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