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wildernessjunkie
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Cubes without grain
#19158045 - 11/19/13 02:03 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Has anyone ever grown or read about someone growing cubes without using grain?
I've seen a write up where Pans were inoculated directly to manure substrate successfully. But I've never seen or heard of anyone successfully doing this with P.Cubensis.
If you've got a reference, please post a link.
Edit: I'm not trying to grow cubes without grain. But I am interested in reading about if it has been done before.
Edited by wildernessjunkie (11/19/13 02:23 AM)
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I have seen someone do it but the yield was terrible, not exactly sure what process he used though
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Can you cite the thread/article/or author by chance?
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If you think about it even if you inoculated straight manure it probably still contains grains because that's what the horses or cows ate
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wildernessjunkie said: Can you cite the thread/article/or author by chance?
No because this was a friend who is not a member of the shroomery
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Damn. Thanks anyway.
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Spore water in cows trough
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We have done this thing you say. Had a farm that wasn't very productive. These were gazing cattle, and I decided why not help make them feel at home by pouring 5 gallons of spore diluted water into their trough. Then my buddy moved right before the rain season the following year. We have no idea if it worked.
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Re: Cubes without grain [Re: Sockadin]
#19159001 - 11/19/13 10:25 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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yes it can be done... RR did that i think. you dont need grains but alot of grains posses the amount of nutrients cubes need and the hydration they prefer.
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Re: Cubes without grain [Re: silverstem]
#19159007 - 11/19/13 10:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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silverstem said: yes it can be done... RR did that i think. you dont need grains but alot of grains posses the amount of nutrients cubes need and the hydration they prefer.
I remember that the bible has spawn stuffed in it. RR has said you can grow cubes on just about anything that you can fill with colonized grain spawn.
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yea the myc can be seen spreading onto the book.. you can grow shrooms without grains and myc will grow on alot of nutritious subs. but grains are preferred.
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Re: Cubes without grain [Re: silverstem]
#19159036 - 11/19/13 10:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I am confused as to how that picture is showing that you can grow without grain spawn. The bible has spawn in it
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yea i didnt realize it had spawn in it... but u could c the myc growing on to the bible... what about the grow where the guy used cig buds as a sub? or did he use grain spawn?
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Re: Cubes without grain [Re: silverstem]
#19159155 - 11/19/13 11:03 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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That was TL and yes he did. I believe he added the butts to a substrate and then did another grow on straight butts.
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FrankHorrigan said: That was TL and yes he did. I believe he added the butts to a substrate and then did another grow on straight butts.
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Pans require manure to grow, but cubes don't. Though they have both been considered dung lovers.
If cubes won't grow on manure exclusively maybe we are missing something. If we cannot cultivate them domestically without grain, perhaps they are actually grass lovers with a propensity for manure.
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If we cannot cultivate them domestically without grain,
Except that you can grow cubes with out grain as I stated in a previous post in this thread. I had a friend who did this.
Yes it can be done, but yes the yields will suck
He was not able to get clean grain spawn so he just inoculated horse poo and straw, then spawned that to verm and more h-poo and staw I think. Not sure if he had coir or not.
anyway he ended getting about an oz dry out of a 120qt monotub lol I tried to convince him to use grain but he said it was impossible for him not to get a contam using grains. Some people . . .
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WJ - Mate0x had posted his "Coir Trials" over at Myco-Tek, I think you've seen it.
I just spoke to him and he said that they're ready for him to try and fruit.
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Re: Cubes without grain [Re: MrGumball]
#19160486 - 11/19/13 04:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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@liquidglass I wasn't ignoring your post bro. I'm just looking for some documentation. You do mention that he had straw in there too. Which supports my idea somewhat.
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MrGumball said: WJ - Mate0x had posted his "Coir Trials" over at Myco-Tek, I think you've seen it.
I just spoke to him and he said that they're ready for him to try and fruit.
I did see that. Its part of what got me thinking about this. That and the pan cake grows. I'll be keeping an eye on that one.
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Well a dung lover is basically a grain lover since dung is basically digested grains
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Re: Cubes without grain [Re: Stromrider]
#19160547 - 11/19/13 04:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Stromrider said: Well a dung lover is basically a grain lover since dung is basically digested grains
Simple logic wins again. That's a good point.
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Re: Cubes without grain [Re: Stromrider]
#19160592 - 11/19/13 04:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Stromrider said: Well a dung lover is basically a grain lover since dung is basically digested grains
I disagree.
Horses eat roughage - legumes and grasses. Feeding them grains is a matter of convenience. Same with cattle. Hard to crack open a bag and have an instant pasture for grazing.
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Re: Cubes without grain [Re: MrGumball]
#19160637 - 11/19/13 04:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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MrGumball said:
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Stromrider said: Well a dung lover is basically a grain lover since dung is basically digested grains
I disagree.
Horses eat roughage - legumes and grasses. Feeding them grains is a matter of convenience. Same with cattle. Hard to crack open a bag and have an instant pasture for grazing.
But all grains are also grass.
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wildernessjunkie said: But all grains are also grass.
Not the same, grains are the "fruit" of the grass.
Grains are to grass
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mushrooms are to mycelium.
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PF cakes do not involve any grains.
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Re: Cubes without grain [Re: eLeSDenes]
#19160666 - 11/19/13 04:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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eLeSDenes said: PF cakes do not involve any grains.
Brown rice is a grain......
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Re: Cubes without grain [Re: MrGumball]
#19160685 - 11/19/13 05:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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MrGumball said:
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wildernessjunkie said: But all grains are also grass.
Not the same, grains are the "fruit" of the grass.
Grains are to grass
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mushrooms are to mycelium.
Mushrooms ARE mycelium.
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I don't deny that. I was using it to illustrate a point, not be technical.
Edited by MrGumball (11/19/13 05:17 PM)
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wildernessjunkie said: Pans require manure to grow, but cubes don't. Though they have both been considered dung lovers.
If cubes won't grow on manure exclusively maybe we are missing something. If we cannot cultivate them domestically without grain, perhaps they are actually grass lovers with a propensity for manure.
Someone recently replied to a questiion I had showing pans growing on cased grain, no manure. Pans were also shown growing on straw.
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budkatz said: Could you elaborate on the pans and poo per your comment? I would love to see a method that could eliminate the need for poo with pans. Thanks!
Sure. Its nothing new as the knowledge that pans can fruit without poo has been around for a while. Usually straw is considered the sub to use if poo cannot be obtained. But They have even been done on cased grains. I plan to try many things with them soon. Just need a few supplies first and Canada Post sux balls. No matter what tho poo does seem make things easier and enjoys a higher success rate.
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18253136#18253136
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Re: Cubes without grain [Re: budkatz]
#19160834 - 11/19/13 05:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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@ WJ - looking over Mate0x's project again, not sure if you could technically consider it grain free due to the coir being hydrated in "rice water" - thoughts?
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Re: Cubes without grain [Re: MrGumball]
#19161084 - 11/19/13 06:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Seems like the rice water is bound to carry some nutrition with it. But I imagine its fairly minimal. I remember Spongi's LC tests. He was going to make brf "coffee" and try it as an LC. I'm not sure if he ever did it though.
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Grains and grass are not the same thing, grains are the seeds of grass and contain a whole different set of nutrients
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Stromrider said: Well a dung lover is basically a grain lover since dung is basically digested grains
Exactly. So Cubensis is after grass and seed. Its ideal substrate is the crown jewel of grass, concentrated grass gold reproductive pods emerged in the lovely fractal patterns of nature. Cubensis natural substrate is grass-grain mixture. Equine and bovine manure are lightly- and rather-digested grass-grain mixtures, making the Cubensis that grows from that substrate a secondary decomposer, instead of a primary decomposer in the case of hay, straw, seed. It is nearly certain that Cubensis is simply a hardy & efficient grass-loving organism that easily fills the large niche created by human livestocking.
Yes grains and grass are not the same thing, but they're of the same organism, beget each other, and in a sense are almost like different concentrations of each other.
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Re: Cubes without grain [Re: Violet]
#19162726 - 11/19/13 10:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Stromrider said: Well a dung lover is basically a grain lover since dung is basically digested grains
Exactly. So Cubensis is after grass and seed. Its ideal substrate is the crown jewel of grass, concentrated grass gold reproductive pods emerged in the lovely fractal patterns of nature. Cubensis natural substrate is grass-grain mixture. Equine and bovine manure are lightly- and rather-digested grass-grain mixtures, making the Cubensis that grows from that substrate a secondary decomposer, instead of a primary decomposer in the case of hay, straw, seed. It is nearly certain that Cubensis is simply a hardy & efficient grass-loving organism that easily fills the large niche created by human livestocking.
Yes grains and grass are not the same thing, but they're of the same organism, beget each other, and in a sense are almost like different concentrations of each other.
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Violet said:
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Stromrider said: Well a dung lover is basically a grain lover since dung is basically digested grains
Exactly. So Cubensis is after grass and seed. Its ideal substrate is the crown jewel of grass, concentrated grass gold reproductive pods emerged in the lovely fractal patterns of nature. Cubensis natural substrate is grass-grain mixture. Equine and bovine manure are lightly- and rather-digested grass-grain mixtures, making the Cubensis that grows from that substrate a secondary decomposer, instead of a primary decomposer in the case of hay, straw, seed. It is nearly certain that Cubensis is simply a hardy & efficient grass-loving organism that easily fills the large niche created by human livestocking.
Yes grains and grass are not the same thing, but they're of the same organism, beget each other, and in a sense are almost like different concentrations of each other.
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Re: Cubes without grain [Re: Violet]
#19162860 - 11/19/13 11:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Violet said:
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Stromrider said: Well a dung lover is basically a grain lover since dung is basically digested grains
Exactly. So Cubensis is after grass and seed. Its ideal substrate is the crown jewel of grass, concentrated grass gold reproductive pods emerged in the lovely fractal patterns of nature. Cubensis natural substrate is grass-grain mixture. Equine and bovine manure are lightly- and rather-digested grass-grain mixtures, making the Cubensis that grows from that substrate a secondary decomposer, instead of a primary decomposer in the case of hay, straw, seed. It is nearly certain that Cubensis is simply a hardy & efficient grass-loving organism that easily fills the large niche created by human livestocking.
Yes grains and grass are not the same thing, but they're of the same organism, beget each other, and in a sense are almost like different concentrations of each other.
This thread made me think of you Violet. Glad you stopped by
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