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First DMT Flash
    #19157992 - 11/19/13 01:41 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

So I've been staring down about a g of some pretty nice looking for about 3 days trying to muster up the balls to dive in.  I sandwiched 40 mgs in some plant matter, took my soldering iron and hovered it until it slowly took flame.  By the last hit of the bowl I saw the chrysanthemum with my eyes open.  So I close my eyes and wow like being thrust into a sea of lsd.:zoom:  I cannot believe what I just saw.  I mean 88 world series style, cannot believe.
:imafirinmahlazer:

Most terrifyingly awesome trip I've ever had.  I now know there is something out there.:awecid:

How often do you guys try DMT, and what is your preferred method and dose?


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Re: First DMT Flash [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #19158087 - 11/19/13 02:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Method = Dmt infused mullein

Dose = Between 2-4 tokes

Frequency = Once every few months


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Re: First DMT Flash [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #19158169 - 11/19/13 03:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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TheGreenArrow said:
.....By the last hit of the bowl I saw the chrysanthemum with my eyes open.  So I close my eyes and wow like being thrust into a sea of lsd.:zoom:  I cannot believe what I just saw.  I mean 88 world series style, cannot believe.
:imafirinmahlazer:

Most terrifyingly awesome trip I've ever had.  I now know there is something out there.:awecid:

How often do you guys try DMT, and what is your preferred method and dose?





How many hits/inhalations did it take you to clear the bowl?...




I only try it when ever I so happen to come across it, which isn't all that often. When I do have a little bit to work with I'll do it a time or two a week for a few weeks, depending on how it goes, and how I'm feeling. Then it will be many months until the next time.

I've sandwiched the stuff between a bit of cannabis, or some dried mullein leaf, in the bowl of a glass pipe or in the bowl of a small bong with no water. That's the method I've used most often because it's all I had to work with....It's worked well for me, just not every time and there are more efficient methods. Oil pipes do the trick well if you get down working the lighter and controlling the temp.

What has worked surprisingly well several times is some rolled up and distributed nicely in a joint, with a small amount of weed in it so that it burns relatively quickly. What I like best about a J is that a little bit (40mg to 60mg) can go a long way with a few heads, as long as every one takes long deep hits, holds it in, and passes the J around quickly. Of course a J is not the most efficient method, especially if it's just for one person....but 50mg in a joint shared with 4 people always goes much farther than if that 50mg was split up between 4 people and each smoked individually.

And what has worked the most terrifically, ever!...Using a bong with no water, with a hash oil dabbing nail set up, and just carefully dumping the stuff onto the hot nail. What I have used was a domeless titanium nail, and the nail had a relatively broad surface to work with. Dumping the stuff onto the heated nail, you can get just about as much (milligrams) as you want in one inhalation. The first time I was presented with this method, 4 of us had done it back to back one after another (with the help of a sober person going from person to person with the bong & stuff), and we all pretty much had the most profound and intense experiences/"breakthroughs" with the stuff yet. Seems to be a very effective and consistent method.


Smoked/vaped is such a short experience, I prefer to use syrian rue or caapi with it if I have some on hand. In my experience with using syrian rue, it stretches out the duration a bit and smooths out & slows down how damn quickly everything happens otherwise. It goes together very well & compliments the stuff nicely in general. And smaller amounts can go a bit farther. I haven't tried combining syrian rue with it while also using the dab nail method, I can only imagine how well that would work.




Here's a pic of the type of nail set up I'm talking about...













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Re: First DMT Flash [Re: openmind]
    #19158312 - 11/19/13 04:47 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Hey OM you should try and make it to the west coast gathering in jan


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Re: First DMT Flash [Re: openmind]
    #19159284 - 11/19/13 11:39 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Id say it took me either 3 or 4 hits, the last one being the longest.  Id only had 1 sub breakthrough experience with some jimjam an old aquaintance did with what I assume was mimiosa hostillis, before this.  That was a great intro to how long it would last, but I now know his stuff was pretty impure.
When I decided to try this chem again, I decided to go into it with the intention of finding out if there was anything on the other side.  So I took all the knowledge I've gained from the chem/pharm boards and the nexus, and threw together my own hybrid tek.  Pulled 1.5 g's of barely yellow spice out of 100g's acrb.  It took me a few days to beat back the fear.  And even then I had to meditate for at least an hour or so before I went into it.
When I decided to go I put on some beautiful citar music and went to a place I havnt ever seen besides flashes of nitrous whilst on 4-aco.  it was much too quick though.  I've got some harmalas extracted from syrain rue.  I'm gonna pre dose 120 mgs soon then try to vape 30 mgs and see how it effects the trip. 
I saw you used a domeless nail, I've got a TI swing, but wouldn't there be problems overheating it or keeping it hot enough to vape?
What are yalls favorite songs to blast off too?


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Re: First DMT Flash [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #19160260 - 11/19/13 03:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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What are yalls favorite songs to blast off too?





Silence

Some music seemed to go really well with it sometimes

I used to play mellow electronic, then recordings of ayahuasca shamna chanting. 

But then I realized it was too distracting and that the DMT has a whole universe of sounds and music to offer you and I think outside sounds distract from this


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Re: First DMT Flash [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19160600 - 11/19/13 04:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Love it!! Wish I had some right now


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Re: First DMT Flash [Re: Tripballsalot]
    #19160822 - 11/19/13 05:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

OpenMind

I had always wondered if someone had tryd to Vape DMT on a Nail
Did you let the nail cool down to a decent temp or did you vape it right after it was hot? Did you move the DMT xtal around on the nail or did it bubble up and vape away?

Just curious cuz dry sift or ice water hash when vaped on a nail wont fully melt away sometimes and was curious to know if you would have to move the DMT xtal around the nail for it all to melt since its almost similar texture


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Re: First DMT Flash [Re: BIGS]
    #19160840 - 11/19/13 05:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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OpenMind

I had always wondered if someone had tryd to Vape DMT on a Nail
Did you let the nail cool down to a decent temp or did you vape it right after it was hot? Did you move the DMT xtal around on the nail or did it bubble up and vape away?

Just curious cuz dry sift or ice water hash when vaped on a nail wont fully melt away sometimes and was curious to know if you would have to move the DMT xtal around the nail for it all to melt since its almost similar texture



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Re: First DMT Flash [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #19161038 - 11/19/13 06:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

What do you mean exactly by "now I know there's something out there"? Was the experience just so complex and beautiful you believe something much have helped design that? I've had similar thoughts like what you say though, but hey maybe the universe designed itself? A god would need a god right? SOunds crazy but it's all that makes somewhat sense to me, it's called pantheism by the way. Anyways though I've vaped dmt around 4-5 times now and never had a thought like that pop out to me, at least not to that degree. Then again, I'm sure it's possible.


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Re: First DMT Flash [Re: Jvells]
    #19161312 - 11/19/13 07:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I have had thoughts similar to that on DMT. Not so much that there is some god that designed the universe, but that there is a whole multitude of beings or entities or spirits or whatever you want to call it.

Now I realize that this was a thought that occurred to me while under the influence of hallucinogens and may or may not be real, but the experience was profound and powerful nonetheless.

It was as if the skin of everything was peeled off and you can see the inner workings of the universe. And there are other conscious forms of energy we cannot see. At least that was the feeling I had while tripping. Now that I am back in the world of reality and physics those ideas seem slightly absurd

It reminds me of the part in the movie "The Labyrinth" when she is marking the stones with arrows so she does not get lost and those little guys pop out and switch the stones around. Like there is this whole entire world behind the scenes, but we cannot see it because there is a curtain in between us and it


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Re: First DMT Flash [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19161376 - 11/19/13 07:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yup, I kind of know what your talking about...you're reminding me of some parts I must have forgotten...especially the eyes everyone at one point.


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Re: First DMT Flash [Re: Jvells]
    #19161831 - 11/19/13 08:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I wasn't necessarily saying that it was a "God" or something in that sense.  It more felt like the spirit of the DMT or perhaps some sort of entity in that realm.
When I actually broke through, it was like I was in a flask of some trippy liquid and this entity noticed me.  It sort of talked/emoted at me "Do you know what your doing here?/Do you know what you just did?"  I said yes and it started showing me things at an incredible rate. Language, storm clouds, geometry.  Then at some point I pushed past all that into what I can only describe as the chapel Perilous, or my interpretation of it.
Its funny the farther away I get the more it coalesces.


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Re: First DMT Flash [Re: BIGS]
    #19163448 - 11/20/13 03:20 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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LiquidGlass said:
Hey OM you should try and make it to the west coast gathering in jan





Didn't know there was one going on, where will it be happening? I've met a few from here over the years...but still haven't been to any of the gatherings, it's always been one thing or another.






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It took me a few days to beat back the fear.  And even then I had to meditate for at least an hour or so before I went into it.




I've never had much of what I'd consider "fear" before going into it, but there have been times I've felt edgy or a bit tense in the moments before. So I do the same, sit and meditate, calm the mind into stillness, before going at it.



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I've got some harmalas extracted from syrain rue.  I'm gonna pre dose 120 mgs soon then try to vape 30 mgs and see how it effects the trip.




I'm not sure how much weight in seeds that 120mg would be equivalent to. I've used between 2g to 4g of seeds in a tea, perhaps as little as 1.5g, and that's been plenty. Have you used syrian rue or an maoi/rima before?

I was a bit caught off guard one of the first times I used syrian rue with it, at the intensity and duration of the experience. The initial flash doesn't seem to last much longer than usual for me (5 to 10 minutes), but it only simmers down slightly after that and then remains a long plateau (15 to 30 minutes), and a gradual slow drift back down.

Another thing I noticed about using the syrian rue before...Any edgy or apprehensive feelings are dulled down nicely, it tends to induce a calm and tranquil head space. And that head space is lovely to "take off" out of. With the action of the syrian rue in my system, everything feels primed and ready. 

I still haven't worked with b.caapi, but would like to sometime soon...Syrian rue has a higher concentration of harmala alkaloids, but I've heard that caapi has a "smoother & warmer" feel & demeanor to it. Both contain the same alkaloids I believe, just different ratios/concentrations.



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I saw you used a domeless nail, I've got a TI swing, but wouldn't there be problems overheating it or keeping it hot enough to vape? What are yalls favorite songs to blast off too?




I thought the very same exact thing about the nail being too hot, but was always curious if that route would work. Perhaps some is getting destroyed by the intensity of the heat, but apparently not enough to matter :lol:  .

I've only done this method a few times, and it was the first for everyone involved. What we actually did first was took some hash oil on the end of a dabber and dipped/rolled it into a bit of dmt so that it stuck to the oil. Not much was on there, it was a small dab of oil and maybe 10mg to 15mg at the most of the d. The dude who I was with tried this first, then highly suggest I give it a try with more or less the same amount. I was very impressed at how well it worked, and from such a small amount.

The next day he and I, and two others...one of which had never done DMT before, each took in the range of 30mg to 60mg, this time just dumping it onto the nail rather than hash oil rolled in it. And yea, it worked very well for each of us.


As far as music...I concur completely with LG. I have tried chill music on a few occasions, but it's far too distracting. So I prefer silence. Dmt has it's own unique aural aspect going on anyways. Best ambiance/sound I've been in the presence of with the stuff is in a forest next to a creek, with the sound of the water flowing and birds making their noises/song.







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OpenMind

I had always wondered if someone had tryd to Vape DMT on a Nail
Did you let the nail cool down to a decent temp or did you vape it right after it was hot? Did you move the DMT xtal around on the nail or did it bubble up and vape away?





I was always curious about it too...I would like to dabble around with it some more, trying not as much heat put into the nail, even though with high temps it still worked. Each time I tried it I went about it just as I would a dab of oil/wax. It was heated in the same way and duration, and dumping it on the nail at the same I would put a dab on the nail.

The 2nd time when it was dumped on the nail. Considering the dose I didn't do the heating of the nail or dumping the dmt on there. Dude assisted with the torch action and deployment of the deem :smirk:, so I could relax in the moments before and just inhale as soon as the nail was hot & ready, and then the bong with the hot nail could be taken away and I left alone...I didn't really get a look at how the dmt vaped off the nail while hitting it...I know it was just dumped onto the nail from a tiny folded up piece of paper, not sure if it was dumped all at once or slowly but I got it all in one lung full, even with a little bit of lung space to spare to pull it all down into my lungs deeply. And I remember it had vaped off the top of the nail clean, though some could have been sucked down into the nail/stem.

That time was honestly a bit too much far too quickly, it was the most chaotic experience I've ever had with the stuff and by far the most difficult to remember (though that tends to be the nature of the more intense experiences). I'd like to try about 1/2 of the amount I took that time, so in the area of 25mg to 30mg, and off a nail, but with a proper amount of syrian rue or caapi in my system :yesnod: .

I believe clean white/translucent dmt, with as little plant fats/waxes in it, will liquefy and vape quickly & cleanly. Compared to that particular type of hash you speak of, which probably has more plant material in it so it won't fully melt away off a nail and that's left behind. I'm assuming that's why.






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Re: First DMT Flash [Re: openmind]
    #19163461 - 11/20/13 03:28 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

DMT is the psych I use most often due to its availability to me and the fascination that I had with it for quite a while now.

I usually take about 3g of extract made using Ice House Shaman's pharmahuasca in a pill method which is equal to about 9-10g of MHRB. I take it orally using 3g Syrian Rue as an MAOI.

Still have yet to make some pure n smoke it. Sounds like an experience for sure.


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Re: First DMT Flash [Re: openmind]
    #19164235 - 11/20/13 09:56 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I've had alot of experience with harmala alkaloids and LSD.  I fucking love the organic feeling it gives to the paisley patterns.  I'm excited to try it though.  Sounds like it is worth trying, the first breakthrough was confusing/too fast.


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Re: First DMT Flash [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #19166637 - 11/20/13 05:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I've had alot of experience with harmala alkaloids and LSD.  I fucking love the organic feeling it gives to the paisley patterns.  I'm excited to try it though.  Sounds like it is worth trying, the first breakthrough was confusing/too fast.





OOooo, combining the harmalas with LSD? This is something I've been very curious about. How did you go about the taking the harmalas?...as far as how much you take, how you take it, and when (before, after, or during the L) .

I've heard a couple stories of people claiming encounters with entities, when combining syrian rue or caapi with L. Something they never had happen before in all their experiences with L. Those sorts of aspects, encountering "entities" or feeling the presence of something, seem far and few between when it comes to L (compared to say mushrooms or dmt), so I thought that was interesting.


I'd like to work more with the harmalas, especially with mushrooms, and tis' the season :smirk: . Besides potentiating and prolonging the effects, they provide a "layer" that's not present otherwise. Things become much more immersive and heavier for sure.




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Re: First DMT Flash [Re: openmind]
    #19167013 - 11/20/13 07:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Well always predose harmalas at least 45 mins ahead of time.  Make sure your actually getting a head change before you dose your psyches.  When I was first doing it I would just dose 3.5 grams ground syrian rue in a mortar/pestle.  After a little research I'll never take it that way again, extractions are really straight forward.  I've never purged from a simple manske extraction.
Just remember, if your into the straight syrian rue thing, you've got to be okay with purging.  Keep a bucket close because as soon as you feel the need to purge, its too late, you've got less than a minute.  I actually found out how much my girl loves me when I took syrian rue then dropped 7 high powered blotters,  It looked like a murder scene when I didn't make it to the toilet in time. :awetongue:
  About half the time I took it with Love I got very seasick untill I purged and then I was all good. :mindblown:
I have had entity contact with LSD/Harmala but it wasn't at all like say DMT.  It was almost as if my brain was tuned like a radio to a different frequency and on this frequency I heard the harmala "voices".  Its actually a little more common then you may think, I never believed in it till I experienced it.  It almost sounds like chittering/backwards talking into an old timey talk box/can, coming from 4 dimensions behind you in your flank.  Its also the only time I've ever felt like I could hear someone else think. some of the most memorable experiences I've had with psyches to date.


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Re: First DMT Flash [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #19168246 - 11/21/13 12:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

That's the way I always went about it when using it prior to smoking DMT, or taking mushrooms, taking it about 40 to 60 minutes after. I'll probably do an extraction next time I have some. The tea has worked just fine for me but it would be nice to have a cleaner, more pure collection of just harmalas. Only once have I felt mild nausea from the stuff, but I'm down with purging if it so happens.

That's interesting what you said about your experience with L & harmalas. I'm sure you know, but harmine I believe it was, was referred to as telepathine . Sharing thoughts/hearing the thoughts of others, telepathy, and other related "phenomena" do seem to become more prevalent when the harmalas are in combination with a psychedelic, versus the psychedelic taken with out. At least from what I've gathered from the bits of reading I've done.

I've experienced the sharing of thoughts, or more like a merging of one's consciousness with another, from L on a few occasions. And only L.

Do the effects from the L last much longer with the harmalas involved?




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Re: First DMT Flash [Re: openmind]
    #19168345 - 11/21/13 01:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yes it does last a bit longer, and it seems that when you smoke decent bud after it can really pick the trip right back up. 
Also the peak structures do really neat things on this combo.  It really is one of if not my favorite combo.  Also pro tip,  pick up a box of :nitrous: FTW! :awecid:


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sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the
dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve an
equation, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a
computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.
Specialization is for insects.- Robert A. Heinlein
Saint RedBow of the Shroomey Loomey-Patron Saint of Sandbaggin Sumbitchs


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