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Offlineakira_akuma
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Re: George Zimmerman arrested [Re: Everlong]
    #19157705 - 11/18/13 11:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

well, that's obviously an invalid opinion based on inconclusive and unjustified beliefs.

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Re: George Zimmerman arrested [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19157723 - 11/18/13 11:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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well, that's obviously an invalid opinion based on inconclusive and unjustified beliefs.

continue.



My opinion that Trayvon shouldn't of reacted with violence is based on what "inconclusive and unjustified beliefs"? :lol:

I feel like you are trying to sound smart and smug but what you just typed means nothing, nor adds to the discussion.


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Re: George Zimmerman arrested [Re: Everlong]
    #19157754 - 11/19/13 12:04 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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To my knowledge Zimmerman asked him what he was doing. Or something like that, I can't remember anymore.




the bolded parts is where you have unfounded and unjustified beliefs.

not where you said that Trayvon shouldn't have reacted out of violence. no, that part is up for debate and is completely valid opinion, even if there is no way of knowing.


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Re: George Zimmerman arrested [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19157792 - 11/19/13 12:16 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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To my knowledge Zimmerman asked him what he was doing. Or something like that, I can't remember anymore.




the bolded parts is where you have unfounded and unjustified beliefs.

not where you said that Trayvon shouldn't have reacted out of violence. no, that part is up for debate and is completely valid opinion, even if there is no way of knowing.




I wouldn't say they are unfounded, but I was wrong. After looking up Zimmerman's account of the story, he claims he didn't make any verbal contact at all as Martin had already fled on foot. Martin is the one who made verbal contact when he approached Zimmerman, saying "Do you have a problem, homie?" to which Zimmerman replied "No." He didn't even have time to ask him what he was doing, or to identify himself.

This is according to Zimmerman, so take it for what you will. I believe him as his story matched up to what witnesses saw.


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Re: George Zimmerman arrested [Re: Everlong]
    #19157807 - 11/19/13 12:22 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

yeah. right. Trayvon clearly felt threatened.


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Re: George Zimmerman arrested [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19157822 - 11/19/13 12:28 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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yeah. right. Trayvon clearly felt threatened.



I feel threatened every once in a while, I don't go around fighting peopole for it though, especially not after I already got out of the situation I'm not gonna go back to it if I felt threatened.


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Re: George Zimmerman arrested [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19157823 - 11/19/13 12:29 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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yeah. right. Trayvon clearly felt threatened.



So threatened he ran away and came back to beat a guy up? Oh, okay.


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Re: George Zimmerman arrested [Re: Everlong]
    #19157828 - 11/19/13 12:33 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

zimmerman threads are always ser populerh


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Re: George Zimmerman arrested [Re: Everlong]
    #19157833 - 11/19/13 12:34 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
yeah. right. Trayvon clearly felt threatened.



So threatened he ran away and came back to beat a guy up? Oh, okay.



yeah, he wanted to eliminate the threat. you're not very prudent with your presumptions.

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akira_akuma said:
yeah. right. Trayvon clearly felt threatened.



I feel threatened every once in a while, I don't go around fighting peopole for it though, especially not after I already got out of the situation I'm not gonna go back to it if I felt threatened.



well, you haven't been threatened in a dimly lit, rainy corridor at night by someone consistently following you... have you?


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Re: George Zimmerman arrested [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19157858 - 11/19/13 12:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
yeah. right. Trayvon clearly felt threatened.



So threatened he ran away and came back to beat a guy up? Oh, okay.



yeah, he wanted to eliminate the threat. you're not very prudent with your presumptions.





It's Fight or Flight, not flight and then return a minute later to fight.

The idea that Trayvon felt threaten is voided by the fact that he returned after fleeing from Zimmerman.

Trayvon wasn't scared at all, in fact I have no problem assuming he was delighted that he found an easy target for an ass whooping.


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Re: George Zimmerman arrested [Re: Everlong]
    #19157877 - 11/19/13 12:53 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

sure you could think whatever you want, doesn't make a lick of sense though.

the idea that Trayvon felt threatened is not voided because he came back to address Zimmerman, because that's what a threatened person does, if they don't flee entirely... they address the threat in question.

so ok dude.


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Re: George Zimmerman arrested [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19157892 - 11/19/13 12:58 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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mjmihalov said:
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akira_akuma said:
yeah. right. Trayvon clearly felt threatened.



I feel threatened every once in a while, I don't go around fighting peopole for it though, especially not after I already got out of the situation I'm not gonna go back to it if I felt threatened.



well, you haven't been threatened in a dimly lit, rainy corridor at night by someone consistently following you... have you?




A corridor that's like a hallway or some shit right? In that case yeah, actually a few times, I used to stay in these apartments, most would call them "the projects" and some crazy shit would go down there, I just always ignored it and walk past everything and went to my apartment and locked my door.

But they were outside not in a hallway... I have felt threatened a few times while walking around the city at night, I always assessed my situation, if I was by my house I would just ignore them and fastly walk home, If I was far from home and felt threatened I would walk away and call someone so they knew if they tried some shit I could tell the person on the phone to call the cops. Or I would stop at a nearby friends house or stop in at a store for a while.

I only got in one fight like this and that was because it was like 5 black people against me, they had their power in numbers attitude going and I knew there wasn't shit I could really do, one dude hit me one time and I stood there unphased, they then all walked away.

I always carry a weapon on me, but I'm not one for confrontation, unless someone is inflicting bodily harm on me or someone else, I would've fought the dude that hit me though if it was only one or two of them, but it was like like 5 of them and I didn't feel like getting the shit kicked out of me only to have to continue walking home for a few miles.


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Re: George Zimmerman arrested [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19157896 - 11/19/13 01:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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sure you could think whatever you want, doesn't make a lick of sense though.

the idea that Trayvon felt threatened is not voided because he came back to address Zimmerman, because that's what a threatened person does, if they don't flee entirely... they address the threat in question.

so ok dude.



No they dont, Tray-Tray fled from the confrontation compleetely, then re-involved himself in the situation entirely.


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Re: George Zimmerman arrested [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19157900 - 11/19/13 01:01 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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sure you could think whatever you want, doesn't make a lick of sense though.





It makes perfect sense, and I bet a good majority of people agree with me.

Zimmerman also said Trayvon circled his vehicle before Zimmerman even got out. That's not a person who feels threatened. Once again, that's if you believe Zimmerman's story, which I do because the majority of his story matches up with what witnesses saw/heard


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Re: George Zimmerman arrested [Re: Everlong]
    #19157913 - 11/19/13 01:10 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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mjmihalov said:
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akira_akuma said:
sure you could think whatever you want, doesn't make a lick of sense though.

the idea that Trayvon felt threatened is not voided because he came back to address Zimmerman, because that's what a threatened person does, if they don't flee entirely... they address the threat in question.

so ok dude.



No they dont, Tray-Tray fled from the confrontation compleetely, then re-involved himself in the situation entirely.



yes, yes they do. if they didn't. then threats would never resolve themselves.

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akira_akuma said:
sure you could think whatever you want, doesn't make a lick of sense though.





It makes perfect sense, and I bet a good majority of people agree with me.

Zimmerman also said Trayvon circled his vehicle before Zimmerman even got out. That's not a person who feels threatened. Once again, that's if you believe Zimmerman's story, which I do because the majority of his story matches up with what witnesses saw/heard



you'd rather follow popular opinion then formulate your own understanding of the matter? well, that's why you can't come to terms with the facts of what the word "threatened" means, and how people usually come to terms with "threats". it's like taking sides with a non-existence.


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    #19157928 - 11/19/13 01:17 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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mjmihalov said:
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akira_akuma said:
sure you could think whatever you want, doesn't make a lick of sense though.

the idea that Trayvon felt threatened is not voided because he came back to address Zimmerman, because that's what a threatened person does, if they don't flee entirely... they address the threat in question.

so ok dude.



No they dont, Tray-Tray fled from the confrontation compleetely, then re-involved himself in the situation entirely.



yes, yes they do. if they didn't. then threats would never resolve themselves.




wtf are you talking about, all I'm saying is he got out of the situation to a safe place, but he thought he was billy bad ass or some shit so he decided to re-involve himself, that's fact, you can't argue that...

...Are you like stupid or something? like how don't you get it?

Where's the shooting my self in the head graemlin?


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Re: George Zimmerman arrested [Re: TrentBoyett]
    #19157935 - 11/19/13 01:20 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

you think so.

doesn't make it so.

i've explained so i can't see how you can't "get it".

threats are resolved through conflict. if you can't understand that, then take the gun and...


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Re: George Zimmerman arrested [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19157953 - 11/19/13 01:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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you think so.

doesn't make it so.

i've explained so i can't see how you can't "get it".

threats are resolved through conflict. if you can't understand that, then take the gun and...




Maybe by the strict definition of resolve, but situations have a way of dying off once people part ways never to see each other again...


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Re: George Zimmerman arrested [Re: TrentBoyett]
    #19157961 - 11/19/13 01:28 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

tell that to african-american community, or police for that matter. :lol: you seen the LA riots?


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Re: George Zimmerman arrested [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19157982 - 11/19/13 01:37 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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tell that to african-american community, or police for that matter. :lol: you seen the LA riots?



WTF do th LA riots have to with anything, we're talking about 20 years later, on the other side of the country, about an incident that involved two people....


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