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Possible bacteria in 100% rye jars
    #19127624 - 11/12/13 05:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

SOo.

Rye jars colonized 100%. Very white, rhizomorphic and thick. After g2g the smell of the master jars was a bit sour like a bacteria smell.  The jars did have a couple clumps in them that wouldn't break up but i was hoping it was just that they were a little to full of rye. I shook a few others from the same batch of jars and they seemed to bounce back in a day or two and fully colonize again. This confused me because I figured the bac would take over. ive seen wet spot take over many time but there were no streaks or greasy spots at all.  I even kept a few jars to keep shaking but they always recolonized and always smelled like bacteria???  So everything smelled slightly sour apple the whole time but I went on and fruited them because everything was just so healthy looking (despite the sour smell tha seemed fairly obvious to my nose)they all ended up fruiting 3 good solid flushes with no signs of bacteria? No stalling or wet looking fruits, everything was smooth? Any ideas here


Not sure about this one??

I know bac will just take over mostly all mushrooms but how could I smell it but not ever see it effect anything (besides possibly the clumps in the spawn jars)?

Also how does bacteria spread if you do have contaminated jars/tubs? Is there the same risk of spreading it as with molds?


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Re: Possible bacteria in 100% rye jars [Re: CarlWonderful]
    #19130125 - 11/13/13 06:08 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Bacteria doesn't contaminate fully colonized substrates so it's not something you have worry about spreading to other tubs. Also the type of bacteria you're probably dealing with isn't the kind that causes blotches on mushrooms. Usually if your spawn is able to fully colonize and the smell was mild and goes away it will still fruit.


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Re: Possible bacteria in 100% rye jars [Re: Kizzle]
    #19152764 - 11/18/13 02:49 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

so im still having trouble understanding how bacteria spreads. Is it similar to how molds spread their spores?  Is there a certain amount of time you have until it starts to spread? I cant seem to find any specific information about this?


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Re: Possible bacteria in 100% rye jars [Re: CarlWonderful]
    #19157895 - 11/19/13 12:59 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

There are many ways bacteria can spread, it depends on the species. Some have flagella and can swim. Others rely on air or water currents for transportation. Some bacteria will produce spores when resources are getting scarce. The spores are more likely to be blown somewhere else.

Mold is more effective at covering a surface. Mold mycelium grows in branching patterns to rapidly cover as much surface area as possible. Molds also grow stalks tipped with sporangium to distribute spores. The spores can blow somewhere new and start growing.

Inside a jar, in the absence of currents bacteria will generally form a circular colony.

Often mycelium is capable of destroying contamination, especially at or near full colonization.


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Re: Possible bacteria in 100% rye jars [Re: Wingman]
    #19159565 - 11/19/13 12:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Bacteria can spread though the air given the opportunity which often requires water droplets becoming airborne though some means. The thing is though bacteria are pretty much everywhere already. You prevent it from getting in your jars by using a filter and by only opening the jars in a still air box or in front of a flow hood. It would be futile to try to keep all the air in your house free of bacteria because the human body itself releases millions of bacteria in to the air every hour.

The reason the mold spores are more a threat is because they can contaminate the substrates which are fruiting, which have no filters.


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Re: Possible bacteria in 100% rye jars [Re: Kizzle]
    #19179396 - 11/23/13 03:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

OKay,

Lets say some jars are 100 % but smell little like bacteria. Say you don't wanna dump em cause they look 100% and you wanna try your luck and fruit them to bulk.  If these jars do actually have bacteria are you spreading that bacteria all around the area your spawning as your dumping the jars into a tub? 

Trying to get a grasp on the risks here, thinking of the future and possibly overloading an area with more and more bacteria? Could this be a problem? 

Also lets say your have a mono and it ends up stalling out before a flush because of bacteria.  Is this as dangerous as a mold would be to future grows?  Is opening the lid of a mono with bacteria gonna spread the bac, I mean is this something to deal with seriously like a trich tub and get it outside fast before it spreads everywhere??

How does this work exactly..


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Re: Possible bacteria in 100% rye jars [Re: CarlWonderful]
    #19179627 - 11/23/13 04:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

No doubt some bacteria will become airborne when you pour the jars. It's a small amount compared to what's actually in the jar. The airborne bacteria contaminating your other substrates is not likely though and most bacteria die out relatively quickly on dry surfaces rather than building up over time.

If a tub stalls and has a strong smell of bacteria I would bury it outside or just toss. It's unlikely to fruit indoors by that point


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