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Re: Not having time for other people [Re: LordSenate]
    #19157419 - 11/18/13 11:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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the machine won't have much time for you when your usefulness expires.

you are as disposable as those you dispose of.




In the end all that matters is who will remember and cherish your memory and what good you've done while you're here. Regardless of what follows at said end.




maybe so...my cynicism makes me question such romantic notions, though.


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Re: Not having time for other people [Re: greenspectral] * 1
    #19157555 - 11/18/13 11:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It doesn't have to be romantic at all. That's just the way it is. That's reality.

I'm not saying your "legacy" doesn't matter at all. IE if you do something that people remember far after you've passed away.. But personally I don't care about that... I don't really care about people "cherishing" my memory..

Just saying to me its important that when I pass away people aren't sayin "Oh that guy? Horrible person, screwed over a lot of people, I'm glad he died".

That's taking it to the extreme but you kinda get the idea anyway.

Also. I want to note that this may not have any impact on what happens after you pass away.. It may not matter at all to anyone but me.


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Re: Not having time for other people [Re: zZZz]
    #19157562 - 11/18/13 11:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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that's because you do have other things you should be doing. i feel that way when i am too busy or have other responsibilities to attend to.




Yeah, thats completely understandable.. However saying you're "wasting" your time on other people? That's pretty shitty. He may not have meant it the way it sounds but that's what it looks like. He may have meant just what you said. But it sounded like he meant that spending time with other people was a waste of his time.


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Re: Not having time for other people [Re: LordSenate]
    #19157566 - 11/18/13 11:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Yeah, I definitely see what you're saying. I skimmed through it so I only got the general idea of the conversation.

I do snap at people when they invade my "space" often times. But I'm doing what I can to mitigate that and get myself out of "myself" and around people, even if its just for a week.

There is nothing wrong with isolating if it's done correctly.. Even if it's not it's that persons prerogative. Not to mention, who dictates what "MATTERS" or what's "PRODUCTIVE"? I would hope it would be that individual person whether they are isolating or not.. It goes both ways. Socializing or isolating.

I understand what you're saying.



damn right, it goes both ways. this is why you get this dichotomy in thinking... "oh well, they always wanna socialize and waste time"

the other school of thought is "well, they always wanna work on personal projects and be isolated"

both schools are wrong.

people are just doing that which gives them the least culpability in matters of the human conditioning, in this now very big world stage.

so if you think about... both schools of thought are both wrong AND right. right for doing what they feel gives them the most happiness, but also wrong for doing what gives them most amount of conditioning away from what leaves them culpable in the world.

basically... not any one person can DO EVERYTHING. simply put.


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Re: Not having time for other people [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19157583 - 11/18/13 11:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It's just a thought loop I've been stuck in for a while now, and it makes total logical sense:

Any time spent doing things that aren't productive are detracting from my potential.

I don't see how you can refute that, and therein lies my issue.  The whole time I'm with other people talking about bullshit I could be learning or volunteering helping others somewhere.


I can't figure out whether I'm a sociopath or a workaholic.


and greenspectral I didn't know you liked me so much :awetongue:


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Re: Not having time for other people [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19157584 - 11/18/13 11:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, I completely agree. That is exactly what I meant when I said I have to "draw the line". Either one of those have negative consequences when that is all a person does. Socializing non stop will have a negative impact be it small or large. In the same breath isolating and never socializing will do the same exact thing.. You can be anywhere on the scale between the two whether it be a lot more social, or a little bit more into isolation.. It can work correctly in a multitude of ways for different people but it is something you have to be wary of all the time.


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Re: Not having time for other people [Re: LordSenate]
    #19157589 - 11/18/13 11:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

being too much of one thing is often paradoxical.


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Re: Not having time for other people [Re: NWlight]
    #19157594 - 11/18/13 11:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It's easy to refute that. What you think you have to do to reach your full potential doesn't actual mean it is helping you reach it. Potential can differ from person to person but you will always be judged by other people. So just because you think you're reaching your full potential, there is a good chance you will be limiting yourself in one way or another whether you realize it or not.


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Re: Not having time for other people [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19157601 - 11/18/13 11:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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being too much of one thing is often paradoxical.




lol.. It's been a very long time that I saw a word I didn't know the meaning of. Reading the definition made me feel stupid.


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Re: Not having time for other people [Re: LordSenate]
    #19157607 - 11/18/13 11:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)



this is what happens with too much socialization. you start idolizing this "Jason" guy^
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being too much of one thing is often paradoxical.




lol.. It's been a very long time that I saw a word I didn't know the meaning of. Reading the definition made me feel stupid.



a paradox!


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Re: Not having time for other people [Re: LordSenate]
    #19157620 - 11/18/13 11:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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It's easy to refute that. What you think you have to do to reach your full potential doesn't actual mean it is helping you reach it. Potential can differ from person to person but you will always be judged by other people. So just because you think you're reaching your full potential, there is a good chance you will be limiting yourself in one way or another whether you realize it or not.



no ground breaking discoveries or advances in science are made while bullshitting about sports or playing video games.

And talking about feelings and girls and shit.. god damn :whatever:
total waste of time


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Re: Not having time for other people [Re: NWlight]
    #19157629 - 11/18/13 11:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

not true. discoveries have happened away from the microscope. plenty of discoveries have happened purely out of coincidence and happenstance.

which is the point.

also why you are getting all uppity...


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Re: Not having time for other people [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19157637 - 11/18/13 11:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

idk man i'm stressed as fuck and people keep wanting to hang out and detracting from my "me" time  :lol: 


I feel like i have some obligation to hang out with them because they're my friends but I don't want to at ALL.

probably why it's so prominent in my mind right now.


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Re: Not having time for other people [Re: NWlight]
    #19157642 - 11/18/13 11:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

well, take it out on them, not anyone else here.

it's YOUR problem. not their's either, so you'd probably come off as an ass.

you should be honest with them, and have them just abandon you as a source of friendship. you need friends that are... more you. you know?

or just honestly, all jokes aside... just tell them you're on a breakthrough, and you can just tell them later that it fell through "oops!". :lol:


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Re: Not having time for other people [Re: NWlight]
    #19157644 - 11/18/13 11:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

yea i feel ya. just gotta keep telling them no. eventually you'll have all the time in the world.


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Re: Not having time for other people [Re: NWlight]
    #19157778 - 11/19/13 12:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Well that sucks you don't like talking about feelings.. That's pretty fucking insensitive.. I don't like talking about it either but it shows people you care.

I know akira said you'd probably come off as an ass. From what I've read, you sound like you ARE an ass.

It's one thing to want to accomplish something and not waste all your time, but saying peoples feelings is a waste of time is pretty fucked up.

That aside, what it comes down to is how you feel about the way things are going. Others peoples feelings and outlook of you based on your decisions should be taken into consideration but if you're happy with the way you do things then that's on you.

In this conversation there isn't really any good or bad way to be.. It's different for everyone.

Even though I don't agree with you in everything you're saying. I DO however completely understand what you're saying, I don't want to socialize with my friends sometimes as well and often times find it physically and emotionally draining. So I can somewhat relate to what you're saying.


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Re: Not having time for other people [Re: LordSenate]
    #19157790 - 11/19/13 12:15 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i don't have time to worry about peoples' petty feelings, as much as I wish I could.

there's people who need my help RIGHT NOW and their problems are 500x worse.

like, dying worse.


i'm just having a hard time finding a healthy outlet and some sort of happy medium with my time.


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Re: Not having time for other people [Re: NWlight]
    #19157798 - 11/19/13 12:19 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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lately I've become very antisocial and career-oriented.  I can't stand spending time with other people because I know I could be productive during that time and possibly do something that MATTERS.

How do you waste time on other people knowing that you aren't reaching your full potential by doing so?

is this a phase that most people experience in their early-mid 20s?




I'm in that boat too. I do think that it's a phase to be very socially promiscuous in adolescence. I used to party a lot and hang out with huge groups of friends, but it eventually took on sort of a "been-here-done-that" sort of feeling. I see the same thing happening with the very same friends I just mentioned. It's not a bad thing, it's just you giving yourself priority and figuring out what you want from life and what kind of company you want to keep.


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Re: Not having time for other people [Re: NWlight]
    #19157800 - 11/19/13 12:19 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

there are people dying everywhere right now, as i type this, someone just died.

you can't save everyone. no one wants to see you or anyone go into a state of perpetual self-loathing because you can't find any way out of having to deal with the worlds problems.

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I'm in that boat too. I do think that it's a phase to be very socially promiscuous in adolescence. I used to party a lot and hang out with huge groups of friends, but it eventually took on sort of a "been-here-done-that" sort of feeling. I see the same thing happening with the very same friends I just mentioned. It's not a bad thing, it's just you giving yourself priority and figuring out what you want from life and what kind of company you want to keep.



this is all true.^

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i'm just having a hard time finding a healthy outlet and some sort of happy medium with my time.



well, if it isn't people, then what will give a happy medium?

PS: i like how now, this thread is all about... guess who... tee hee


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Re: Not having time for other people [Re: NWlight]
    #19157837 - 11/19/13 12:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Must be nice to write off others peoples feelings as petty.

Just because other people need your time because they're dying doesn't make how someone else feels petty.

You just sound like a cold hearted asshole.

I have a feeling you're voicing your opinion a little further then what you actually feel.. I'm pretty sure you're just trying to say that you have to prioritize your time to deal with peoples feelings, you just aren't communicating that very well. Just because someones else's problems or feelings might not be a real big problem (to you anyway), just because you don't have a lot of time doesn't mean you can't deal with them a little bit. It really doesn't take a lot of time to make it seem like you care regardless of the fact if you actually do care or not.

Maybe I'm wrong but I'd like to think that its not the fact that someones problems are petty but just that someone else needs your attention focused on theirs more. It's effectively the same thing but it sounds a lot different if you express it differently.

Then again you just might be an asshole. :shrug:


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