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CuriousGG

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Distinguishing Real and Fake San Pedro & Dosage Q's
#19157173 - 11/18/13 10:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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The title says it all, I posted a picture asking for an identification, some people said it was indeed a SP. Only did a couple weeks pass (after drinking the liquid and having a fail experience) did someone say it did not look like a San Pedro..another said it was a clone and many others had the same problem. So my question is how can you tell if its the real deal? Btw it was mentioned to me that my cooking method could have been more thorough,but I need to know first if this was a San Pedro or not.



Prep method was for 2 ft: remove spines(can anyone suggest a very easy method of doing this), cut into small star, cut stars into smaller bits, blended with a stick blender in a disinfected,clean jar (I used equal proportions of water and cacti chunks), poured the mixture into a large pot and cooked the mix for about 4 hours constantly stirring and never bringing it to a rapid boil. *i don't recall seeing a separation of any kind and the mix was not "sticky/snot-like" at all* poured the mix into an air tight container using a cloth for straining, strained the pulp and discarded the waste.
Can someone please offer me some help and or advice, and please don't suggest a different prep I found this to be the most simplest one to do and don't want to include any outside chemicals or hard to obtain materials (I.e a dehydrator)
Edited by Mostly_Harmless (11/19/13 09:33 PM)
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Re: Distinguishing Real and Fake San Pedro [Re: CuriousGG]
#19157276 - 11/18/13 10:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Here is a good place to start looking: http://www.largelyaccurateinformationmedia.com/pedro/pedro.html I would say that Pachanoi looks pretty common, which leads me to believe that it's the pc pachanoi.
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Re: Distinguishing Real and Fake San Pedro [Re: Couperj]
#19157352 - 11/18/13 10:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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That looks like a PC (predominant cultivar) San Pedro, which is commonly said to be very weak.
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CuriousGG

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Re: Distinguishing Real and Fake San Pedro [Re: Couperj]
#19157576 - 11/18/13 11:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I read through the link, thanks. Im just disappointed Anyone know how many feet would need to be consumed to produce an intense trip? I took a foot and had an annoying headache and future trips to the bathroom.
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Mostly_Harmless
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Re: Distinguishing Real and Fake San Pedro [Re: CuriousGG]
#19157747 - 11/19/13 12:02 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Dosage questions are best placed in The Psychedelic Experience.
From the EG rules:
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- No dosage advice. Please take these queries to The Psychedelic Experience forum. Some dosage advice will be tolerated for the more rare ethnobotanicals/entheogens as other forums may not have this knowledge. The main focus of this forum is about growing plants. Remember this.
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CuriousGG

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Do I just copy and paste this thread onto the experience page?
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Re: Distinguishing Real and Fake San Pedro [Re: CuriousGG]
#19158009 - 11/19/13 01:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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No one has ID your plant wrong, there are very hard to know potency of cactus from picture. All different strain of san pedro or another trichocereus doesn't have much similar chemical content in the cactus.
There are mescaline in cactus from low amount of ~0.1% and up to ~2% from weight. I heard PC-pachanoi is weak, only purpose for that are probably ornament.
You should not except all trichocereus have mescaline.. Also cause it's illegal to brew of extract a cactus, most people don't want to talk about mescaline content of cactus.
I said to another thread also about EU situation, I have found very potent san pedro here. PC-pachanoi in europe is not very common. Most of bigger san pedro almost from every nursery are someway potent. Dosages I don't even say cause I have not any reason to talk about dosages.
If you think "san pedro" name in EG mean potent cactus, you are wrong, it means t. pachanoi(usually spineless cactus) ...you should be aware about mescaline content difference about each cacti. It doesn't mean you can get experience from cacti even you find real san pedro cactus cause they vary from very weak to very potent with their mescaline content. Here in EU I have find t. pachanoi is most potent cactus what can be find so far, if you'r lucky.. But I don't usually brew a cactus plants. I just know there are potent san pedro around.
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If you would have ate 2 feet of bridgesii you would have the opposite of fail.
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Re: Distinguishing Real and Fake San Pedro [Re: lwheidt]
#19158687 - 11/19/13 08:43 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Usually, people recommend doing at least three separate boils and then saving all the liquid and reducing. A large majority of alks are pulled in the first boil, but repeated boils will help to pull the rest of the goodies.
If you are making a brew, just cut the spines down so the don't poke you and add to the pot. They will soften up after a couple hours of boiling.
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Re: Distinguishing Real and Fake San Pedro (moved) [Re: CuriousGG]
#19162315 - 11/19/13 09:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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This thread was moved from The Ethnobotanical Garden.
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Re: Distinguishing Real and Fake San Pedro & Dosage Q's [Re: CuriousGG]
#19162596 - 11/19/13 10:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Order some bridgesii from a sponsor. They are consistently strong.
To make the tea properly, you will need a foot or more of bridgesii, 2 lemons or limes, and about a gallon of water. Either dry and powder the cactus, or freeze and thaw it, then blend it. Then, simmer the pulp for 2 hours in about a quart of water with a half of a lemon/lime, squeezed. filter the pulp out of the liquid and set the liquid aside. Get another quart of fresh water and another half of lemon/lime, squeezed. Repeat this process for a total of 3 times. At the end, combine the three containers of water and simmer down to a manageable amount to drink.
The citric acid in the lemons/limes reacts with the mescaline to make a salt, mescaline citrate. If done properly, the tea will taste extremely salty with no bitterness and you will feel the come-up in short order.
Edited by 4HO-DMT (11/19/13 10:25 PM)
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Re: Distinguishing Real and Fake San Pedro & Dosage Q's [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#19164026 - 11/20/13 08:58 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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FWIW there isn't a consensus on the different strains of SP. It's also notoriously difficult to dose. Without knowing how much you started off with, I'd suggest doubling it (after looking up different prep methods) and then if nothing happens, look up growing methods to get your cacti as healthy as you can. Keep in mind as well that it could be that you didn't reach the threshold for effects, and may only need a small amount more to reach it. To make matters more complex, there are people who swear that boiling destroys the alkaloids as does drying. One thing everyone seems to agree on is that freezing and thawing fresh cacti helps rupture the cell walls and therefore retrieve more of the goodies.
It's not an exact science, at least not until the legal issues surrounding it are lifted.
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Re: Distinguishing Real and Fake San Pedro & Dosage Q's [Re: Oliveaux]
#19164629 - 11/20/13 11:16 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mescaline has a higherboiling point and is very hardy overall, which is why people suggest boiling for 4 - 24 hours. As long as you don't heat it above like 380°f(?) maybe even higher, you should be good.
There is the possibility that boiling degrades some of the other alkaloids in the cactus, but your mesc. should be just fine.
Another way to work with your cactus is to dry, powder, and encapsulate, or as one member so avidly suggests just drying out the cactus and swallowing the chunks by the spoonful(I like this idea, I just fear jagged edges).
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Re: Distinguishing Real and Fake San Pedro & Dosage Q's [Re: Couperj]
#19165267 - 11/20/13 01:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
Couperj said: Mescaline has a higherboiling point and is very hardy overall, which is why people suggest boiling for 4 - 24 hours. As long as you don't heat it above like 380°f(?) maybe even higher, you should be good.
There is the possibility that boiling degrades some of the other alkaloids in the cactus, but your mesc. should be just fine.
Another way to work with your cactus is to dry, powder, and encapsulate, or as one member so avidly suggests just drying out the cactus and swallowing the chunks by the spoonful(I like this idea, I just fear jagged edges).
you'd definitely want to thoroughly de-spine it and ideally remove the skin as well if you're going to use this method! Or you can make a tea, which some people swear is revolting but tbh i dont agree at all
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