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Re: mini mono question [Re: Aero]
    #19160842 - 11/19/13 05:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

So are we preventing pins since "co2 floats to the bottom" of a monotub?....


High CO2 does NOT result in pins forming.  It prevents them.  Fresh air after full colonization is reached, is the number 1 pinning trigger.
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The second most important pinning trigger is an increase in air exchange, with the corresponding drop in CO2 levels that occurs simultaneously. When you uncover a tray to look at it, you allow the CO2 to escape and be replaced by fresh air. THIS is a pinning trigger, even if you do it in the dark.

read these, i hope u can understand it

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Re: mini mono question [Re: Aero]
    #19160854 - 11/19/13 05:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I was using sarcasm since you seem to believe co2 floats to the bottom. Now you think FAE is the big pinning trigger even though two posts ago you highlighted full colonization of the substrate as the major trigger. If FAE takes all that CO2 at the bottom out(which you think, But it really is just pushing air out in general to promote evaporation off the substrate) then a candle would never go out since the FAE is keeping the co2 off the bottom. What are you going to try to say now?


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Re: mini mono question [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19160887 - 11/19/13 05:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The second most important pinning trigger is an increase in air exchange, with the corresponding drop in CO2 levels that occurs simultaneously. When you uncover a tray to look at it, you allow the CO2 to escape and be replaced by fresh air. THIS is a pinning trigger, even if you do it in the dark.


this is what i highlighted, the full colonization along with the oxigen is the first two factors


i told u already, do a candle test on a substrate in your monotub


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Re: mini mono question [Re: Aero]
    #19160906 - 11/19/13 05:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Mushrooms with long stalks opening up small. Excessive Carbon Dioxide levels in the growing room and/or a crowded microclimate around the mushrooms that the CO2 can't escape from.


http://www.americanmushroom.org/disorders-p-58.html


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Re: mini mono question [Re: Aero]
    #19160933 - 11/19/13 05:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The only time your candle test would work is during consolidation when you have the holes taped up and only gas exchange is allowed to happen. You'll get a buildup of CO2 but everyone knows that because the lid is flipping closed and the holes are taped up.

You're clinging to every little article and quote you can find to justify your inability to take advice and later constructive criticism. All the while people with real experience and people like RR who have tested fruiting chambers with CO2 meters more recently than 7 years ago(like your quotes) have brought forth new information.

I can go find a website that says a piece of twisted foil in my air intake to my cars engine will increase my fuel mileage, does that mean it's true?


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    #19160936 - 11/19/13 05:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Remember, fungi breathe oxygen and exhale carbon dioxide, just as humans do; the mushroom cell needs and uses the same basic building blocks.


same thing again, co2 build up in the monotub prevents growth, or in earlier stage the pinning


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Re: mini mono question [Re: Aero]
    #19160962 - 11/19/13 06:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You want high co2 during the intial growth period,

thats why we want our monos airtight, and the holes taped off,

aswell as preventing fae which will induce fruiting.

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Re: mini mono question [Re: Aero]
    #19160964 - 11/19/13 06:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Mushrooms with long stalks opening up small. Excessive Carbon Dioxide levels in the growing room and/or a crowded microclimate around the mushrooms that the CO2 can't escape from.


http://www.americanmushroom.org/disorders-p-58.html




This happens when your fruiting chamber doesn't have enough holes.
Making holes doesn't let the CO2 pour out though.
The co2 is mixed with the air. In a poorly designed box or fruiting chamber the CO2 mixes with the air and then the concentration of co2 goes up as the positive pressure of the substrate making co2 pushes out air and fills the box with co2 that's not able to diffuse effectively.


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Remember, fungi breathe oxygen and exhale carbon dioxide, just as humans do; the mushroom cell needs and uses the same basic building blocks.


same thing again, co2 build up in the monotub prevents growth, or in earlier stage the pinning




no shit. That's why monotubs have holes in them during fruiting conditions.

In a monotub during fruiting conditions there's constant FAE. The air inside the tub is being exchanges so rapidly that it's completely mixed air going in and coming out. No co2 build up no co2 pouring out of bottom holes etc... A monotub is just to get a FAE environment with RH. Your countertop has amazing FAE but no RH so you need to build a box that gives high RH well if you have high RH you probably don't have good FAE. The fruiting chambers are cleverly devised so you get FAE while maintaining high RH.


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Re: mini mono question [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19160974 - 11/19/13 06:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Hey bro did you even know there's two phases to a monotub? Consolidation then fruiting.


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    #19160975 - 11/19/13 06:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

noone is talking about consolidation, i know that u need the them covered during that period


what im saying is, co2 does build up in the monotub no matter what, mushroom takes oxigen and releases co2 during fruiting
co2-s molecular weight is heavier than the air, and oxigen therefor put the wholes on the level of the sub



this is all im saying
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Re: mini mono question [Re: Aero]
    #19160994 - 11/19/13 06:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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    #19161010 - 11/19/13 06:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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what im saying is, co2 does build up in the monotub no matter what



During colonization, yes....a colonizing monotub can reach 20,000 ppm.

During fruiting, no, because it is constantly being pushed out by all the FAE.

When fruiting the co2 levels drop to well below 2000 ppm.

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co2-s molecular weight is heavier than the air, and oxigen therefor put the wholes on the level of the sub



Co2 is heavier than air, you are right about that, but only by a fraction.

And any small current will mix the 2 together....and there will always be currents in a fruiting chamber...so it will always be mixed together....and since these currents rise, so will the co2.

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    #19161014 - 11/19/13 06:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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what im saying is, co2 does build up in the monotub no matter what



During colonization, yes....a colonizing monotub can reach 20,000 ppm.

During fruiting, no, because it is constantly being pushed out by all the FAE.

When fruiting the co2 levels drop to well below 2000 ppm.

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co2-s molecular weight is heavier than the air, and oxigen therefor put the wholes on the level of the sub



Co2 is heavier than air, you are right about that, but only by a fraction.

And any small current will mix the 2 together....and there will always be currents in a fruiting chamber...so it will always be mixed together....and since these currents rise, so will the co2.

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Re: mini mono question [Re: Aero]
    #19161027 - 11/19/13 06:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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noone is talking about consolidation, i know that u need the them covered during that period


what im saying is, co2 does build up in the monotub no matter what, mushroom takes oxigen and releases co2 during fruiting
co2-s molecular weight is heavier than the air, and oxigen therefor put the wholes on the level of the sub



this is all im saying
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Only stupid if you don't learn.

During fruiting the CO2 does not blanket the sub. The co2 would inhibit pinning as we found out a page ago. What fucking use would it be if there was a blanket of co2 on the substrate during fruiting. We would build the monotub differently then. The monotub is giving FAE during fruiting which means there's mixed air going in and mixed air going out no separate layers. If your candle test works in a monotub put into fruiting conditions you built it wrong, and probably wont see good pining performance.


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Re: mini mono question [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19161040 - 11/19/13 06:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

the monotubs i made werent the shotgun ones

i put the wholes stuffed with polyfil right at the same level with the substrate. and give a good fae 4-5 times a day


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    #19161048 - 11/19/13 06:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: mini mono question [Re: Aero]
    #19161054 - 11/19/13 06:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

if u talking about the SGFC then of course, there is always air movement that can stir up the air, and mix up the oxigen and co2


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    #19161063 - 11/19/13 06:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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the monotubs i made werent the shotgun ones

i put the wholes stuffed with polyfil right at the same level with the substrate. and give a good fae 4-5 times a day



We do not fan for FAE, we fan only after misting, to promote evaporation of the water we just misted.

The entire point of stuffing the holes with polyfill is so the tub gets CONSTANT FAE....Monotubs should be set and forget(fully automated).


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    #19161072 - 11/19/13 06:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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if u talking about the SGFC then of course, there is always air movement that can stir up the air, and mix up the oxigen and co2



There is always heat, humidity, currents in a monotub.... and FAE currents when fruiting.....

It's the same principal....


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Re: mini mono question [Re: Aero]
    #19161074 - 11/19/13 06:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

but in a monotub like this where is the air movement?
co2 builds up right at the level of the sub, like a blanket as bodhisatta put it.
and this is why its essential to place the holes at that level...



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