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Re: mini mono question [Re: PussyFart]
    #19159705 - 11/19/13 01:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Molar mass CO2 is 44g/mole .. so it is denser than air. You can actually pour it like a liquid eg into a deepish container with lighted candles of various heights. The candles will go out in turn.



Pour it in a monotub and watch what happens.....it will rise.....

But again, no one is talking about concentrated co2.

You are going off the deep end here.....





have you tested that it rises? if not, please dont write it down, u giving out false information


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Re: mini mono question [Re: Aero]
    #19159723 - 11/19/13 01:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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if its not ventillated of course im aware of this
im just saying that if he puts the holes at the same level as the sub, its easier to get rid of the excess co2



Yes, this is how monotubs work......top holes stuffed loosley, bottom holes stuffed tight...

air is forced into the top holes, and then gets pushed out the bottom holes.

But the co2 is not "falling" out of the holes, it is being forced out, while it is mixed in with the air....because of the heat and humidity currents generated by the substrate.......

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have you tested that it rises? if not, please dont write it down, u giving out false information



Heat and humidity both rise....a large substrate generates a lot of heat and humidity.

The SGFC functions on this principal....heat and humidity rise out the top holes, pulling fresh air up thru the bottom holes and up thru the perlite....making it a self sustaining closed system.


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Re: mini mono question [Re: PussyFart]
    #19159739 - 11/19/13 01:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

did u try it? put a candle on the sub then close the whole monotub.


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Re: mini mono question [Re: Aero]
    #19159747 - 11/19/13 01:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

it doesnt make a difference because it would diffuse with the air quickly.. we put the holes low so we could control fae near the sub and holes near the top to for the entire tub.. put c02 in a water bottle and open the lid and see how quickly it will diffuse into the air.


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Re: mini mono question [Re: Aero]
    #19159748 - 11/19/13 01:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Why would I have to?

This would prove nothing......the candle would stay lit, because it would continue to get oxygen....a monotub is not a sealed system...and when fruiting the co2 levels are rather low anyways.

I am about done explaining things to you.....






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Re: mini mono question [Re: PussyFart]
    #19159760 - 11/19/13 01:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

:whathesaid:


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Re: mini mono question [Re: PussyFart]
    #19159763 - 11/19/13 01:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

try it, see how long the candle burns, if it goes off ealry u delete your profile from shroomery


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Re: mini mono question [Re: Aero]
    #19159767 - 11/19/13 01:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Ok....now I know you are trolling.....good day...... :nignored:


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Re: mini mono question [Re: PussyFart]
    #19159781 - 11/19/13 01:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

:goodluckwiththat2:


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Re: mini mono question [Re: Aero]
    #19160483 - 11/19/13 04:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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did u try it? put a candle on the sub then close the whole monotub.




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try it, see how long the candle burns, if it goes off ealry u delete your profile from shroomery




Mushrooms don't even make enough co2 to snuf a flame anyway. The monotub would be creating enough air current to keep the flame supplied, and it would melt a hole in the lid.

Stupidest shit I have heard on here all week.


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Re: mini mono question [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19160517 - 11/19/13 04:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

lol I love how it turned into this


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Re: mini mono question [Re: frenchfries]
    #19160527 - 11/19/13 04:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

me too,

I think it will be pretty obvious for any one who is reading or will find it in the future to plainly see what the truth is.


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Re: mini mono question [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19160612 - 11/19/13 04:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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did u try it? put a candle on the sub then close the whole monotub.




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try it, see how long the candle burns, if it goes off ealry u delete your profile from shroomery




Mushrooms don't even make enough co2 to snuf a flame anyway. The monotub would be creating enough air current to keep the flame supplied, and it would melt a hole in the lid.

Stupidest shit I have heard on here all week.




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Re: mini mono question [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19160709 - 11/19/13 05:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Stupidest shit I have heard on here all week.




Give him a chance, it's only Tuesday.  :biggrin:


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Re: mini mono question [Re: Darph_Bobo]
    #19160718 - 11/19/13 05:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

if so, we wouldnt need FAE at all in monotubs honey


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Re: mini mono question [Re: Aero]
    #19160733 - 11/19/13 05:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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if so, we wouldnt need FAE at all in monotubs honey



:lolwut:

the evaporation of moisture off of the substrate is "the pinning trigger"
FAE gives you this.

You should really stop now. It's like watching a kid dig themself into a hole with a lie.


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Re: mini mono question [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19160804 - 11/19/13 05:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I rarely start new threads anymore, but the same questions and misunderstandings seem to keep popping up regarding what makes our fungi enter the pinning stage. The reply below is one I posted in another thread earlier, so I'll take the liberty of cutting and pasting it here for those who would otherwise miss it. Hopefully it will stimulate some more research and discussion on everyone's part and clear up a few things. Here it is:

LIGHT IS NOT THE MAJOR PINNING TRIGGER FOR MUSHROOMS!

In fact, light isn't even the major factor in which direction mushrooms grow. Wind or other air currents is the first. Light is the second, then finally gravity is the third.

As for pinning, full colonization of the substrate is the most important pinning trigger. If there are contaminants present in a substrate, the mushroom mycelium generally stops growing when it contacts them. This represents full colonization because the mycelium has hit a natural barrier, and often pins begin to develop, whether light is present or not.

The second most important pinning trigger is an increase in air exchange, with the corresponding drop in CO2 levels that occurs simultaneously. When you uncover a tray to look at it, you allow the CO2 to escape and be replaced by fresh air. THIS is a pinning trigger, even if you do it in the dark.

Third, which goes along with second, is a steady rate of evaporation of moisture from the substrate or casing layer. In the artifical environment of a small tray, we must mist to keep the substrate or casing from drying out, but we also must allow that moisture to evaporate off between mistings.

Fourth, when the above three triggers are active, light becomes a pinning/growth initiation factor.

If one waits too long to apply the casing layer, or the other factors listed above are in effect prior to light OR the casing layer being applied, primordia will begin to form, which will then push up through to the surface, whether or not it has been fully or even partially colonized. By the same token, if light is applied and the other, more important factors have not been met, primordia will NOT form.

This is why experienced growers, such as commercial spawn producers who make their entire living incubating mushroom mycelium, make absolutely NO effort to incubate in the dark. It isn't necessary. People will have much more success in the hobby when they understand that.
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Re: mini mono question [Re: Aero]
    #19160817 - 11/19/13 05:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You can't just go and find one RR quote.

His ideas and knowledge have changed over time.

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or do I want high levels of CO2 to initiat pinning?




High CO2 does NOT result in pins forming.  It prevents them.  Fresh air after full colonization is reached, is the number 1 pinning trigger.
RR




If you know the ideas RR has presented over a broad spectrum of time, and are fully versed in his knowledge you'll know how to cite him appropriately. Anyone can go find 6 year old info that will agree with whatever you want to say. See I'll do it.

So are we preventing pins since "co2 floats to the bottom" of a monotub?....

I'm done here. The discussion speaks for itself.


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Re: mini mono question [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19160831 - 11/19/13 05:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

what are u talking about????
ive been saying co2 stays at the bottom of the box this its how its started.

now when i quote rr saying that oxigen promotes pinning u say im worng


wtf is wrong with you people?? cant you read??

bodhisatta?? wtf man are u dumb ?


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Re: mini mono question [Re: Aero]
    #19160836 - 11/19/13 05:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

:popcorn:


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