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How have your views shifted?
#19156615 - 11/18/13 08:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I could make this post extremely long but that wouldn't do anyone any good so i'll make it short
I grew up a conservative christian and that lifestyle was all around me. my views were just as you'd expect them to be, i was against all recreational drugs, homosexuality, any other religion etc etc
I've pretty much made a complete 360 in how i think, actually I've just begun to think and not just go with what i was told was the only sure way.
i'll just give 1 example : war I use to believe that war was a necessary evil in our world. i thought it was just what humans had to do, if we don't attack them, they'll attack us. If we don't have an army, they'll take us over. if they are weak, we should conquer them etc etc… I thought that people who were anti-war were morons with unrealistic fairy tale ideals.
i use to think seeing a jet carpet some place in explosions was cool, but think about the innumerable tons of bombs that have caused so much damage to the earth. and all of the innocent people that have been murdered (i use to think these murders were another necessary evil)
it's 100% not necessary. it's all greed. The vast majority of people, well over 99% would be infinitely better off in a world without war, and it's not impossible for this world to be in peace. The only people who benefit from war are the few modern kings and queens of the present who stand to lose 'their' kingdoms.
Both sides of a war think the other side is evil. The japanese kamikaze fighter was doing what he knew to be right, he was fighting for his people. Just like US marines. They justify the killing because it is in the name of their people and their cause. Both sides are wrong though, we're all humans, ultimately we should be in this together, and we have the potential to get along.
War has kind of made me sympathize with the anarchists. Government just seems like a giant brain washing machine. People are dependent upon their governments, we are taught to love them, to work for them, fight for them, and to die for them. For what? Just to advance them further in the name of greed and power. The only reason the government cares about you at all is because you fuel them.
there's probably a million holes in this so i'm prepared for you guys to prove how stupid i am, i did it fast. Now I kind of want to actually formulate my thoughts and explain them in detail. That would be a rewarding, long process
How have YOUR views changed as you've gotten older, gained experience and really examined the world?
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Re: How have your views shifted? [Re: dontknow]
#19156653 - 11/18/13 08:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Grew up liberal but since about age 20 or so been becoming increasingly more conservative and leaning towards a libertarian view of politics.
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Re: How have your views shifted? [Re: schwarg] 1
#19156711 - 11/18/13 08:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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my views are water. they have no solid form.
PS: i guess there is one thing... i used to think people were just stupid and made things more difficult then they need to be.
now i think that there are people who maintain a crude and insistent avarice and need to take control over what they can to maintain their power over their material gains.
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Re: How have your views shifted? [Re: dontknow] 2
#19157034 - 11/18/13 09:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've pretty much made a complete 360 in how i think
That would mean you're back to where you started lol.
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I've pretty much made a complete 360 in how i think
That would mean you're back to where you started lol.
well you know what I mean, a 180
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Re: How have your views shifted? [Re: dontknow]
#19157039 - 11/18/13 09:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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They typically shift upward, lifted.
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Re: How have your views shifted? [Re: snoot] 2
#19157350 - 11/18/13 10:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I notice how much my thoughts affect the way I perceive the world. And so I watch them and their effects.
I also take time whenever I think about it to simply feel my body and all it's sensations. And listen to the sounds around me as they're always coming and going. And take time to watch things and see the shapes that make everything, shadows, colors. And I realize that I'll never experience the exact same combination of sensations again
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Re: How have your views shifted? [Re: dontknow]
#19157368 - 11/18/13 10:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Over the past three years my views on pretty much everything have done a complete 180°.
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Re: How have your views shifted? [Re: dontknow]
#19157372 - 11/18/13 10:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's not just greed. The world is the way it is because its human nature for the most part. There are differences from the norm but throughout history things have just repeated themselves over and over.
I'm emotionally numb to the world aside from a feeling I get every now and then. It may be because of the things I've been through that only a portion of people understand.
I'm glad I'm alive and happy with the way my life is but I try not to think about the bigger picture of the world because it isn't a pretty picture. There is certainly beauty but to see it I have to actively force myself not to look at everything else.
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Re: How have your views shifted? [Re: tito123] 1
#19157380 - 11/18/13 10:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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tito123 said: I notice how much my thoughts affect the way I perceive the world. And so I watch them and their effects.
I also take time whenever I think about it to simply feel my body and all it's sensations. And listen to the sounds around me as they're always coming and going. And take time to watch things and see the shapes that make everything, shadows, colors. And I realize that I'll never experience the exact same combination of sensations again
That's crazy. I had a ton of classes about exactly what you're talking about a month ago.. About paying attention to my thoughts and the way I process them. We too easily often take what we think as facts even though it's usually skewed one way or another. We need to take a look at what we are thinking and how it changes the way we feel and perceive things, constantly questioning.
Also sensory observation is a great tool as well.
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Re: How have your views shifted? [Re: dontknow]
#19157693 - 11/18/13 11:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I also grew up conservative christian, but then switched to agnostic and thought psychedelics were true mystical experiences for a while, started thinking that I just wanted to own some rural land and grow everything myself, live minimally and all that jazz, but then the magic faded as I learned more about the brain and about what it takes to run a farm. Now I'm a self employed materialist reductionist atheist with mostly libertarian economic and social ideas, though I don't fully accept that label.
I expect that my views will shift again majorly sometime within the next 10 years, but what do I know?
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I'd like to say I'm always open to changing my mind, but to be perfectly honest, I've done that many times and the end result (give it weeks, months, or years even) usually involves coming full circle and arriving at a more nuanced and better-adjusted version of my original opinion, and that's usually a good feeling. 
There are little things though, like for example artists who fall out of my favor as my aesthetic sensibilities change over the years. I also used to like video games, like a LOT. I don't anymore. Like AT ALL. I'm still waiting to come full circle on that one but it's been like six years, I think I might just be too old for them now.
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i used to view psychedelics as some secret key to knowledge, now i realize they are more of a cheat sheet and we can realize all of those same things without them even though it might sometimes be more difficult.
i used to be a bleeding heart liberal but when I started paying taxes I got a LOT more conservative.
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Re: How have your views shifted? [Re: dontknow]
#19158211 - 11/19/13 03:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I was raised Christian however I wasn't taught to discriminate against gays or be closed minded about drugs and I have been free to explore different philosophies. Through psychedelics I've grown stronger in my faith in Jesus, psychedelics have often pointed out days where if I didn't do exactly what I did, when I did it, I would be in jail or worse. Often times if Everyone in my world didn't do exactly what they did, it could have ended disastrous many times for me.
I've also been obviously spared from death once and whether or not it's right I swam 600 yards of level 5 white water rapids coming out with minor bruises and scratches. That I believe was divine intervention. And my dad's religious beliefs has helped him from being put on life support, he fought because he felt (as well as I after the 3rd time he almost died and came back) protected by god and that he was here for a reason.To this day he's years past his terminal sentence
Now I cant say that any of that is proof at all but in the darkest hours of my life and my dad's life religion has kept us from being incredibly depressed or bitter and angry at the world. Even if my religion is wrong i'm so glad we have that comfort and encouragement needed when all odds are against you.
Now about what you said about our U.S. soldiers: "Both sides of a war think the other side is evil. The japanese kamikaze fighter was doing what he knew to be right, he was fighting for his people. Just like US marines. They justify the killing because it is in the name of their people and their cause. Both sides are wrong though, we're all humans, ultimately we should be in this together, and we have the potential to get along."
Your talking about the same people Who fought so your dumbass isn't fuckin speaking Japanese.The U.S. was a very viscous Ally i'll give you that however the Japanese would not only kill in war. They fed propaganda to their people saying that if we ever tried to liberate them all we would really do is burn all their shit down. Rape all the children, women and elderly and many many more atrocious lies spread by the emperors cabinet themselves.
So by the time we got to civilization most of the people were either killed by their own government or so scared from propaganda they'd have mass suicides. Aside from THAT the Japanese experimented on babies, women and children throughout the war using crackpot and sometimes very inhumane medicine. Their experiments got so incredibly vile and cruel the Nazi's wanted nothing to do with their science.
When they found POWs depending on rank and position they might execute you on the spot or meet a more gruesome death. One U.S. marine talked of how he sent two scouts to check out an area for Japanese soldiers and to check a supply line. Hours later when they went looking for them they found both soldiers decapitated on top their chest with their dicks in their mouths.
So stop trying to compare us to the axis powers, there was clearly a right and a wrong side in WW2.Maybe with modern wars you can try and make parallels but WW2 isn't one of them
The U.S. at least treated pows and soldiers with some decency and respect. Hell after V.E. day some of the most viscous Nazis in the world were given lots of good food and water and all the provisions if not more then they would've got as a soldier in Hitlers Reich.
Oh also there has been wars long before there was government so you can't really equate it to that either.
Nice ideas but much too idealistic. The only way to stop any kind of war in this age is to go back in time. Even that, more then likely would NOT work. A lot of cultures throughout history in this world are by definition war driven societies. That's human nature
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Re: How have your views shifted? [Re: dontknow]
#19158780 - 11/19/13 09:17 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I stopped being stupid and realized that 9/11 was an inside job... this lead to a lot of revelations, it made me question everything and change my views.
I switched from being a conservative to being a libertarian(kind of).
I switched from being a christian to not really believing in god/being a humanist kind of.
I use to be against abortion, now I don't give a fuck what you do, if you're not gonna raise the kid right you might as well end it's suffering before it starts.
I used to like capitalism, now I realize it's flawed and something such as a Resource Based Economy is a much better alternative.
I used to have pride in my country, not so much anymore, I still respect our forefathers and what they stood for, but now we're just stomping on our Constitution.
Pretty much I just stopped believing stuff as it was told to me without researching it first.
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ST, the soldiers and simple people were fed by this propaganda for whole life, they didnt know what it true and really happening, so yeah they were doing the right thing to protect their people(so the thought)
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Re: How have your views shifted? [Re: dontknow]
#19158870 - 11/19/13 09:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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3 years ago: Marijuana is evil, keep that shit away from me! I don't want permanent scars on my brain! Those mushrooms, are YOU CRAZY! Ecstasy, wow do that once and your whole life will be ruined.
Now: Pass that joint bro! Wanna pop a molly? We're reaching this sick rave tonight! You busy next week? Let's go on a shroom trip, we'll have fun!
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Re: How have your views shifted? [Re: dstark]
#19158891 - 11/19/13 09:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I grew up in a secular household (more or less). By the time I was in high school I started exploring different religions. I would get really into one religion for a short period of time, reading tons of books, visiting temples, etc. Now, in my mid twenties I'm back where I started. I'd say I was atheist but even that takes a leap of faith. I try to take as few leaps of faith as possible while still being a functional adult.
Politically I've always been liberal on most social issues, economically conservative. Mostly though I assume all politicians are full of shit and vote for whoever seems most likely to fund the sciences.
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Re: How have your views shifted? [Re: Whitewater] 1
#19159149 - 11/19/13 11:01 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I used to be a huge leftist. "War is wrong, man. Save the trees! Where have all the flowers gone?" Y'know, all that bullshit.
Then I grew up.
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I've pretty much made a complete 360 in how i think
That would mean you're back to where you started lol.
This made made lol for real.
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How have my views shifted? I used to have a lot of them and now I don't. The more I learn, the more perplexed I am. Instead of having a large set of opinions that I throw at people like ninja stars, I now I have a large set of questions that I generally pose only when my opinion is solicited.
There seems to be no end to the madness. Though the personal feeling of madness has lessened since I stopped taking classes in philosophy and started taking classes in subjects that ask fewer questions and give more answers, I often feel as though I am fooling myself.
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Re: How have your views shifted? [Re: morrowasted]
#19159341 - 11/19/13 12:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Some british dude said something like this once:
if you arent a liberal by 25 yoi have no heart.
If you arent a conservative by 40 you have no brain
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ThatKidWithTheFace said: I used to be a huge leftist. "War is wrong, man. Save the trees! Where have all the flowers gone?" Y'know, all that bullshit.
Then I grew up.
I was never a liberal, but I still think war is wrong.
That view has little to nothing to do with your political affiliation, and more to do with wether or not you're retarded...
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Re: How have your views shifted? [Re: dontknow]
#19159795 - 11/19/13 01:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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War has kind of made me sympathize with the anarchists.
we need a 1 world government not anarchy
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Re: How have your views shifted? [Re: hidenseek1]
#19159850 - 11/19/13 02:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I get more liberal the older I get. I think the more experience you have, the more you tend towards a liberal point of view.
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Re: How have your views shifted? [Re: koods]
#19159862 - 11/19/13 02:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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man i am the complete opposite.
I am not very optimistic about human nature.
yay police state!!
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Re: How have your views shifted? [Re: NWlight]
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Re: How have your views shifted? [Re: Johnny Depp]
#19159954 - 11/19/13 02:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have been a conservative my whole life. I don't need my life lubricated with a constant stream of liberal bullshit in order to explain what is already obvious. As I get older I get more and more libertarian with a distinct Tea Party reflex action.
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Re: How have your views shifted? [Re: mpd]
#19160273 - 11/19/13 03:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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a distinct Tea Party reflex action.
Yeah, they make me gag, too.
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Re: How have your views shifted? [Re: koods]
#19160308 - 11/19/13 03:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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i don't think i've "shifted" my views but more so grew as a person and as i educated myself and had new experiences I evolved into who I am.
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