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InvisibleHarveyWalbanger
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What is the right substance for old people?!?!?!?
    #1915555 - 09/14/03 03:40 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Ok, I know lots of grandparents. Some are very sharp for their age, and others are in wheelchairs and forgetting names at the same age. But regardless of which, I happen to believe they should each have the ability to get high. Now, I'd never dirty my hands trying to offer doses of things to people, I'd just like to know what an elderly person should use to get high. My aging grandmother likes to drink beer. Good for her. I also like to drink beer. However, we all know its not great for you. Wouldnt a nice .oz of san pedro do better for you without possibly inducing scary mind things? poppy tea? cannabutter? half grams of mush? i know theres no real way to tell, dosages for elderly people and all, I'm just trying to get people intrested. There SHOULD be an answer to this question, and its big brother's fault for not caring  :nonono: 


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Re: What is the right substance for old people?!?!?!? [Re: HarveyWalbanger]
    #1915602 - 09/14/03 03:59 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I dont think its appropriate for most people, substances can raise blood levels, anxiety, create added mental tension...and can just offer a whole new realm of danger for certain elders.

A psychedelic experience could show them what a joke their past 80 years have been, let them get out thinking its justified.

Poppy tea i could see being beneficial, as with smoking marijuana, but anything beyond that, i dont think is too applicible in a general sense.


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Re: What is the right substance for old people?!?!?!? [Re: HarveyWalbanger]
    #1915656 - 09/14/03 04:19 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

geritol is a good substance for the elderly :smirk: 


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Re: What is the right substance for old people?!?!?!? [Re: slppe]
    #1915667 - 09/14/03 04:23 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Some seeds...


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Re: What is the right substance for old people?!?!?!? [Re: theshiftingwalls]
    #1916067 - 09/14/03 07:06 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

LSD would be awful. I can scarce stand the sight of the elderly when high on Acid but the thought of them seeing ovcer ten million lines come out of their aged skin gives me the chatters just to think of it!


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Re: What is the right substance for old people?!?!?!? [Re: buddhathehut]
    #1916170 - 09/14/03 07:49 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Depends.....







No serouisly, Depends diapers.


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Re: What is the right substance for old people?!?!?!? [Re: Twirling]
    #1916214 - 09/14/03 08:10 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

it's called viagra


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Re: What is the right substance for old people?!?!?!? [Re: flatline]
    #1916309 - 09/14/03 08:48 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

no no no


Cannabis CANNABIS CANNABIS!

she likes beer, ok well start off with a nice heavt indica , something to make her feel good, but not trip her the fuck out like a pure sativa


other than that, if its someone old that NEEDS pain meds, I say use Poppy tea, I dont use it myself for pain, unless you count the stress off living, hehe, but I know , and people at poppies.org would back me up that a good cup of tea in the moring can provide more releif from pain then a bunch of PERCs taken throughout the day


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Re: What is the right substance for old people?!?!?!? [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #1916438 - 09/14/03 09:37 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Alcohol or opiates


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Re: What is the right substance for old people?!?!?!? [Re: HarveyWalbanger]
    #1917456 - 09/15/03 06:50 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Poonanny is the right substance foe old people. Now that we all have Viagra, we need someone to invent a pill for 90 year old women so they can get excited too.

Nexus for Mjshroomwe who thinks I am joking.

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Re: What is the right substance for old people?!?!?!? [Re: HarveyWalbanger]
    #1917481 - 09/15/03 07:28 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

In the last months of her life my mother wanted to taste some of the pleasures she knew I indulged in. I didn't want to even think about dosing her on mushrooms, her tending to anxiety and me having been through Hellraisercountry enough to appreciate the suffering even a small dose of psychedelics can evoke.

When dosing up the elderly (she was 63) one has to take into account their likeliness to have a stronger drug-reaction and experience atiypical side effects. You should also be very aware that intense emotional experiences (especially negative, but also the positive ones) may throw them off-balance for quite some time.

After thorough discussion I started her out on very low doses of cannabis tea, the amount of eventually a bean's size of pressed grass (0.3gr) was crumbled and steeped in hot water for 15 minutes and washed down with the tea. She got very sedate, started daydreaming and because of the low dose and the obligatory half-hourly cookie to prevent her from getting hypoglycemic kept her in blisses. It became a weekly thing for the sundays, as she thoroughly enjoyed it with only a slightly dry mouth as an adverse affect during her marijuana afternoons. So on sunday mornings she merrily skipped breakfast. :smirk:

Those up!up!up! drugs are for the young. Give ma or grandpa a nice conservative dose of a reliable sedative euphoriant should he/she want to get high. Older people like dreaming away lazy afternoons, not methamphetamine teethchattering.

With this in mind I informed her on the nature and risks of poppyhead tea without omitting the use of the word Opium and the Heroin connection.

We had a serious discussion, after that I danced with tables for morphine administration in the elderly, the oral dosing of standardized Opium, morphine content of dried poppyheads in various states of ripeness, milligrams of homogenous poppyhead powder to kilograms of mine and her bodyweight, extraction dynamics and the like.

So on this morning I shook the bubbles out of 350ml of Seven-Up light and then shook 14 grams of poppyhead powder of **known strength** through it to mix it well. The bottle was put in the refrigerator for two hours. After that I filtered the grounds out of the ice-cold fluid with a very clean handkerchief into a beaker and filled it up with fresh, ice-cold diet 7UP to the 700 ml mark. I then poured her a drink of 200 ml and myself a 500ml one, so we had an ice-cold acidic extract of 4 and 10 grams of known-strength poppyhead powder. (they weren't that strong I knew beforehand as these can be pretty stiff doses)

We both drank down our well-tasting Opium beverages. It proved to be a peaceful, euphoric afternoon with mom & son a wee bit on the nod which was exquisite pleasure for both of us. She thrived on it and for her the dose was right on the mark. Because we had discussed the very real chance of addiction we agreed before that should she like Opium tea she would hop on board of my "once in every season" bus. She afterwards really looked forward to the Opium of summer, but unfortunately this was not to be.

After the cancer surgery that would be her end she experienced a lot of pain. But because of the poppyhead tea she felt no fear of the Morphine syringe, because she knew the Morphine would be kind to her.

On the final day of her life, July 4 of 2003, she had to be kept narcotized by a combination of Morphine and Midazolam (a Benzo) because of inhuman pain. After she went beyond a chance she was slowly taken off of oxygen-enriched air the respirator provided, and slowly her medicines were taken off and the drugs upped.
She died in a field of poppies, as peacefully as the situation allowed.





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Re: What is the right substance for old people?!?!?!? [Re: HarveyWalbanger]
    #1917541 - 09/15/03 08:56 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

nootropics for zing
cannabis for zang
opiates for pain
psychedelics for reoptimizing novelty threshold parameters
corynanthine, zinc, vit E, dhea/pregnenolone, & ky jelly for ooooh
alcohol for ahhh
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ummm, what was the question again?
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Re: What is the right substance for old people?!?!?!? [Re: Asante]
    #1917891 - 09/15/03 01:01 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

That was very touching, you even made me drop a tear or 2.  :crazy:
Im happy your mother died peacefully 


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Re: What is the right substance for old people?!?!?!? [Re: Gus]
    #1918698 - 09/15/03 05:59 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Whenever I read a story like that, I think instantly of Aldous Huxley and Brave New World. Huxley had some very interesting revelations after his mother passed on.

Linda died dreaming of pepe deep into a soma session. Agonizing chapter of the book, I must say.


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Re: What is the right substance for old people?!?!?!? [Re: Grandpa]
    #1919551 - 09/15/03 10:16 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I was really wanting to smoke my mother out soon, but she had a heart attack here recently (at 37 :frown: ) And I dont guess I'll ever get to now. I know it would be awesome smoking up with mom, hehe. She knows I smoke now that I got busted, but I was eventually gonna tell her anyway (hell im 18 what can she do?). And I really wanted her to do it with me, but she said when she did it in high school she got kind of scared and shit, so I dont suppose it would be a good idea... Sad :frown:

She has almost no drug experience whatsoever, tried pot a couple times in high school, and drunk a few times, and that is it. A hydrocodone here and there for root canals and such. Man I wanted to smoke mom out :frown: :frown: 


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Re: What is the right substance for old people?!?!?!? [Re: RoKiSdEaD]
    #1930265 - 09/18/03 09:15 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

:cool:

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Re: What is the right substance for old people?!?!?!? [Re: HarveyWalbanger]
    #1930310 - 09/18/03 09:37 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

MDMA they're going to die soon anyway.... Joking


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Re: What is the right substance for old people?!?!?!? [Re: mr_minds_eye]
    #1930366 - 09/18/03 10:02 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

opiates would probaly be the best, although it would be risky giving old people opiates, just because i cant forsee a bad experience on an opiate, unless a lot was administered and they had adverse reactions,

Wiccan seeker, that story was quite intense, im glad she went out well
with a good person with her.


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Re: What is the right substance for old people?!?!?!? [Re: dibbles]
    #1930459 - 09/18/03 10:33 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

phenobarbital maybe?


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