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first grow/post what do yall think?
#19155382 - 11/18/13 04:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I did a basic pf tek grow and two cakes are beginning to reall take off and I'm proud as hell so i thought id take a few pic and show it to people more experienced than I
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Re: first grow/post what do yall think? [Re: DixonCider7777]
#19155394 - 11/18/13 05:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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nice you got mushys but there arnt enough holes in your sgfc... next time you may get a better yield by sticking to the teks.
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Re: first grow/post what do yall think? [Re: DixonCider7777]
#19155422 - 11/18/13 05:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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looking good.. i noticed one of the caps has seperated the veil and is turning up.. make sure to picl before spores drop as they make a mess and can lead to contams… did you dunk your cakes? If not put em in a tupperware container of water in the fridge for 12-18 hoirs between each flush then roll the cakes in dry verm and you will get larger fruits
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Re: first grow/post what do yall think? [Re: SamhainJ]
#19155442 - 11/18/13 05:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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looking good.. i noticed one of the caps has seperated the veil and is turning up.. make sure to picl before spores drop as they make a mess and can lead to contams… did you dunk your cakes? If not put em in a tupperware container of water in the fridge for 12-18 hoirs between each flush then roll the cakes in dry verm and you will get larger fruits
That one and the little guy next to it both look like sporeless mutants. They don't even have a veil.
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Re: first grow/post what do yall think? [Re: Psilicon]
#19155464 - 11/18/13 05:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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You could use more holes in your SGFC
It will help with fae and that way your fruits will not rely so heavily on your manual misting.
The air currents surrounding this SGFC will aid in evaporation from the perlite.
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Re: first grow/post what do yall think? [Re: JMcDoogle]
#19155485 - 11/18/13 05:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Plus the FAE from the new holes will give you more pins and mushrooms, and the ones you do have won't grow fuzzy slippers like the ones growing from your cakes right now.
Not bad at all for a first grow!
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Re: first grow/post what do yall think? [Re: Psilicon]
#19155888 - 11/18/13 06:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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looking good.. i noticed one of the caps has seperated the veil and is turning up.. make sure to picl before spores drop as they make a mess and can lead to contams… did you dunk your cakes? If not put em in a tupperware container of water in the fridge for 12-18 hoirs between each flush then roll the cakes in dry verm and you will get larger fruits
That one and the little guy next to it both look like sporeless mutants. They don't even have a veil.
This is the same conclusion I came to. but thats the extent of my knowledge on this type of mutation. I have noticed that the mushroom is continuing to grow so I'm gunna wait to pick it.
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Re: first grow/post what do yall think? [Re: DixonCider7777]
#19155985 - 11/18/13 06:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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thanks for all the quick replies! was yalls first grow this exciting?haha My fc isn't really a sgfc i just put a few holes 2 inches apart on the top and bottom of two sides for fae. Ive heard so much conflicting info on how necessary all those holes are and ive read humidity can be an issue, plus im in a position where i can fan and mist plenty during the day. But like i said im not against a sgfc and I think im going to turn it in to one for my next grow to find out for myself.
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Re: first grow/post what do yall think? [Re: DixonCider7777]
#19156068 - 11/18/13 06:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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DixonCider7777 said: thanks for all the quick replies! was yalls first grow this exciting?haha My fc isn't really a sgfc i just put a few holes 2 inches apart on the top and bottom of two sides for fae. Ive heard so much conflicting info on how necessary all those holes are and ive read humidity can be an issue, plus im in a position where i can fan and mist plenty during the day. But like i said im not against a sgfc and I think im going to turn it in to one for my next grow to find out for myself.
Yep, I agree.
Side by sides comparisons are the best!
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Re: first grow/post what do yall think? [Re: JMcDoogle]
#19156348 - 11/18/13 07:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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does anyone have any more info on the mutation? is it a fae prob, humidity prob, or just random? i wouldnt imagine it affecting potency but I dont know for sure.
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Re: first grow/post what do yall think? [Re: DixonCider7777]
#19156368 - 11/18/13 07:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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DixonCider7777 said: does anyone have any more info on the mutation? is it a fae prob, humidity prob, or just random? i wouldnt imagine it affecting potency but I dont know for sure.
Sometimes with MS you get mutants....it's just from random genetics...potency will vary from fruit to fruit regardless.....
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Re: first grow/post what do yall think? [Re: DixonCider7777]
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Re: first grow/post what do yall think? [Re: lonelyjew]
#19162534 - 11/19/13 10:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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ok ive harvested the big guys, still a couple straglers that might get bigger and the mutants..my question is based on these pics should i pick the mutants that seem fully grown?

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Re: first grow/post what do yall think? [Re: DixonCider7777]
#19162557 - 11/19/13 10:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes. Especially pick the one which looks like one of those peanut butter cookies with a Hershey's Kiss in the middle of them that someone always brings to Christmas parties. It looks delicious.
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Re: first grow/post what do yall think? [Re: Psilicon]
#19162802 - 11/19/13 11:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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van der griegen said: Yes. Especially pick the one which looks like one of those peanut butter cookies with a Hershey's Kiss in the middle of them that someone always brings to Christmas parties. It looks delicious.
ha i thought the same thing...if only it tasted like those cookies...
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Re: first grow/post what do yall think? [Re: DixonCider7777]
#19164207 - 11/20/13 09:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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ok, i harvested everything but the ones that are healthy and look like they could mature one or two more days the substrate is turning really blue...i guess this could be from the stress from harvesting, touching, etc etc tell me what y'all would do? pick the rest and DnR the cakes for 2nd flush or...leave them until there either fully grown or stalled/aborted
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Re: first grow/post what do yall think? [Re: DixonCider7777]
#19164246 - 11/20/13 09:59 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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In my experience bluing is pretty normal, usually due to water loss. I would let them grow a bit more and then harvest once the veils start breaking, and take a couple spore prints for a future grow Also, you only need to dunk for the 2nd flush, no need to re-roll. Congrats on the first grow!
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Re: first grow/post what do yall think? [Re: Psilicon]
#19164836 - 11/20/13 11:52 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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i read something online, (i dont remember where) but i guess sometimes the mutants are more potent than just the normal ones. would be awesome to find some hunting or something and find out if it was true or not.
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Re: first grow/post what do yall think? [Re: trippy.maniac]
#19164862 - 11/20/13 11:56 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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nice grow bud!
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Re: first grow/post what do yall think? [Re: DixonCider7777]
#19164886 - 11/20/13 11:59 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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i would let them grow. i dont think anything bad is going to happen. just dont let them drop spores or it could contaminate the rest of your cake.
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Re: first grow/post what do yall think? [Re: trippy.maniac]
#19164987 - 11/20/13 12:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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the spores won't contam your cake, but i would harvest before they drop
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Re: first grow/post what do yall think? [Re: cronicr]
#19165180 - 11/20/13 12:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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cronicr said: the spores won't contam your cake, but i would harvest before they drop
learned something new today. was reading earlier somebody posted and said spores dropping could contam a cake. but i figured it wouldn't.
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Re: first grow/post what do yall think? [Re: trippy.maniac]
#19166479 - 11/20/13 05:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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But sporeless mutants drop very few spores, which is the reason he asked.
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Re: first grow/post what do yall think? [Re: Psilicon]
#19166987 - 11/20/13 06:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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so if these spore-less mutants; i dont know what to call it? sub-strain? was in fact more potent how would i isolate it? also im about to test potency but im basing that on the fact ive heard that spore production kills potency. once again this is all intelligent guessing i dont really have any solid evidence to back this up.... i guess we shall see.
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Re: first grow/post what do yall think? [Re: DixonCider7777]
#19167080 - 11/20/13 07:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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DixonCider7777 said: so if these spore-less mutants; i dont know what to call it? sub-strain? was in fact more potent how would i isolate it? also im about to test potency but im basing that on the fact ive heard that spore production kills potency. once again this is all intelligent guessing i dont really have any solid evidence to back this up.... i guess we shall see.
It doesn't kill potency, exactly. It's just that the production of psychoactive compounds stops while the mushroom continues to grow.
If you want to isolate, Stropharis has an excellent write-up on how to do it.
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Re: first grow/post what do yall think? [Re: Psilicon]
#19218576 - 12/02/13 06:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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DixonCider7777 said: so if these spore-less mutants; i dont know what to call it? sub-strain? was in fact more potent how would i isolate it? also im about to test potency but im basing that on the fact ive heard that spore production kills potency. once again this is all intelligent guessing i dont really have any solid evidence to back this up.... i guess we shall see.
It doesn't kill potency, exactly. It's just that the production of psychoactive compounds stops while the mushroom continues to grow.
If you want to isolate, Stropharis has an excellent write-up on how to do it.
if that is the case would you have more potent fruits if you pick them before they break the veil?
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Re: first grow/post what do yall think? [Re: trippy.maniac]
#19218603 - 12/02/13 06:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Slightly more potent, yes. Many of us do pick as close as we can to the moment it tears. It also produces better-looking shrooms that handle storage in plastic bags better, IMO.
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Re: first grow/post what do yall think? [Re: cronicr]
#19218622 - 12/02/13 06:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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cronicr said: the spores won't contam your cake, but i would harvest before they drop
agreed, makes the dry fruits taste terrible, if you need a print or two by all means let them open up and drop but i harvest before the veil break
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Re: first grow/post what do yall think? [Re: twistedty]
#19218651 - 12/02/13 06:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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i see. very useful information. thanks guys. this forum is amazing.
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Re: first grow/post what do yall think? [Re: trippy.maniac]
#19240576 - 12/07/13 12:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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little update/pic I thought was really cool..used the double ended cake casing technique I believe its called…seemed to pay off!
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Thanks for the update! God, those sporeless mutants make me salivate. I'm definitely sending that over to Tmethyl for his House of Horrors thread, unless you object.
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Re: first grow/post what do yall think? [Re: Psilicon]
#19241172 - 12/07/13 02:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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go for it!
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Nice grow OP You should really think about trying to clone one of those bad boys, would be a nice culture to have kicking around for ya
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Re: first grow/post what do yall think? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19261567 - 12/11/13 05:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Nice grow OP You should really think about trying to clone one of those bad boys, would be a nice culture to have kicking around for ya 
i agree. that would be awesome to have nothing but a bunch of mean looking mutants growing
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Re: first grow/post what do yall think? [Re: trippy.maniac]
#19261579 - 12/11/13 05:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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i would take those off the verm, it's spending energy colonizing it
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Re: first grow/post what do yall think? [Re: cronicr]
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Agree with cronicr. The cakes will continue to colonize the verm, slowly, but it sure does spend energy doing so. Time to clone those bad boys, if you haven't already done so.
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Re: first grow/post what do yall think? [Re: etdxx]
#19266426 - 12/12/13 03:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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so no dunk and roll? I've heard talk of cubes not needing it but I've never heard for sure either way.
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cakes love to be dunked and rolled but i usually only do it before the first flush, just dunk after that
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Re: first grow/post what do yall think? [Re: cronicr]
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I thought the point of dunking and rolling with verm is to create a micro-enviroment that triggers pinning. I got the idea to put moist trays of verm from http://www.fanaticus.com/casing.htm
So your saying that this technique wastes energy? Could you explain this a little more? I did a side by side comparison of no tray vs tray and the exact same sized brf cakes had much bigger flushes on the cakes with trays. Not saying that proves anything but it made me a believer.
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DixonCider7777 said: I thought the point of dunking and rolling with verm is to create a micro-enviroment that triggers pinning. I got the idea to put moist trays of verm from http://www.fanaticus.com/casing.htm
So your saying that this technique wastes energy? Could you explain this a little more? I did a side by side comparison of no tray vs tray and the exact same sized brf cakes had much bigger flushes on the cakes with trays. Not saying that proves anything but it made me a believer.
im sure you used MS syringe?
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Re: first grow/post what do yall think? [Re: twistedty]
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yep. I mean… I assume so.
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the cake sitting on the verm will try to colonize the verm, and waiste it's energy in the process
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Re: first grow/post what do yall think? [Re: cronicr]
#19269654 - 12/13/13 07:37 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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would it be better for him to take them off the verm and just put them on a piece of foil?
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Re: first grow/post what do yall think? [Re: cronicr]
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cronicr said: the cake sitting on the verm will try to colonize the verm, and waiste it's energy in the process
The mycelium tries to colonize the verm on it from the dunk n roll, what is the difference? I have no real evidence beside what I have observed/read, but it seems like once the mycelium colonizes the layer of verm it has more moisture to produce a bigger flush.
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The mycelium tries to colonize the verm on it from the dunk n roll, what is the difference?
the diffrence is the verm on your cake is providing a micro climate for pin development, on bottom it's not doing much and your better off sitting it in a saucer of water over night to replenish moisture when it's needed
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Re: first grow/post what do yall think? [Re: cronicr]
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cronicr said: the cake sitting on the verm will try to colonize the verm, and waiste it's energy in the process
The mycelium tries to colonize the verm on it from the dunk n roll, what is the difference?
the diffrence is the verm on your cake is providing a micro climate for pin development, on bottom it's not doing much and your better off sitting it in a saucer of water over night to replenish moisture when it's needed
I've heard the verm providing a microclimate for pin development doesnt apply to cubes and its more about extra moisture?
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DixonCider7777 said: I've heard the verm providing a microclimate for pin development doesnt apply to cubes and its more about extra moisture?
You heard wrong, it does both.
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Re: first grow/post what do yall think? [Re: PussyFart]
#19293538 - 12/18/13 02:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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The verm has a larger surface area, and it is resting on you mycelium. Larger surface area = more evaporation. Evap is a major pinning trigger. Also, the verm provides moisture. It's a two fold bonus.
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Edited by 1down5up (12/18/13 02:17 PM)
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