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Psilicon
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Re: while i wait... [Re: PussyFart]
#19160850 - 11/19/13 05:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said:Stinky, fermented grains will have far more endospores than the original dry grain simply because endospore forming bacteria will begin to form new endospores within hours of germination. Simply hydrate the grains before pressure cooking for at least 4 hours. When the grains are hydrated, the hard shell of the endospore is also hydrated, thus it will easily be nuked in the pressure cooker whether it has germinated or not. RR
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18958259#18958259
This is incorrect, though. Endospore-forming bacteria only form one endospore apiece, and they do it when the situation gets rough in terms of temperature, food or water availability, or toxins. It's not like they just hose down the area with spores like trichoderma does.
Not that I think it's particularly relevant to this discussion, since I agree that pressure cooking long and hard enough will kill any life, but I think that part of his argument is flawed.
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Re: while i wait... [Re: Psilicon]
#19164432 - 11/20/13 10:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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well thanks for all the responses guys but theres no need to argue about simmering lol we can agree to disagree. some people simmer and have favorable results while others dont and still get the same results. whatever works for you is great! i might actually choose not to simmer this go around since someone mentioned that could be whats caused all my bursted seeds.
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Re: while i wait... [Re: vaneazy]
#19164442 - 11/20/13 10:44 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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well...now that i think of it i might just heat the water until its hot to touch seeing as im having trouble completely drying them off haha but they wouldnt be heated for long at all
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Re: while i wait... [Re: vaneazy]
#19167185 - 11/20/13 07:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you bring it to a boil and dump immediately you will minimize bursting. This is according to frank's tek. You never want to simmer bird seed for a long time. By the time it comes to a boil it is fully hydrated.
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vaneazy
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if i bring it to a boil, im assuming i should not be mixing the birdseed? whenever i stir it up it takes several more minutes just to start to see bubbles coming up again
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Re: while i wait... [Re: vaneazy]
#19168103 - 11/20/13 11:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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vaneazy said: if i bring it to a boil, im assuming i should not be mixing the birdseed? whenever i stir it up it takes several more minutes just to start to see bubbles coming up again
you should stir especially if using gypsum, since it settles to bottom of pot and can scorch/burn. but as soon as it hits rolling boil dump into strainer and steam dry
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Re: while i wait... [Re: twistedty]
#19168127 - 11/20/13 11:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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i soak my wbs in a bucket for 20 to 24 hours take out the floaters then i dump into a strainer i rinse the bird seed till the water turns out clear then i dry with a hair dryer
for sab i spray the room with lysol spray inside the sab with lysol let sit, i wipe everything i put in the sab with alcohol, then i spray more lysol and then sit, then i go to work
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flipsidetrue said: i soak my wbs in a bucket for 20 to 24 hours take out the floaters then i dump into a strainer i rinse the bird seed till the water turns out clear then i dry with a hair dryer
for sab i spray the room with lysol spray inside the sab with lysol let sit, i wipe everything i put in the sab with alcohol, then i spray more lysol and then sit, then i go to work
why not rinse before the soak, and what is the hair dryer for?
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Re: while i wait... [Re: twistedty]
#19168151 - 11/21/13 12:00 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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i dont rinse before i soak because i'm usually in a rush so i just wait till after the wbs is hydrated, the hair dryer speeds up the process of drying because the strainers i use are small so it takes forever for it to dry evenly
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your not a gypsum guy then i rarely use it on my grains myself lately, just never seem to have it on hand lol
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Re: while i wait... [Re: cronicr]
#19168179 - 11/21/13 12:09 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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the 1 time i did use gypsum while soaking, it clumped the wbs together and the jars all got trich in them
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flipsidetrue said: the 1 time i did use gypsum while soaking, it clumped the wbs together and the jars all got trich in them 
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flipsidetrue said: the 1 time i did use gypsum while soaking, it clumped the wbs together and the jars all got trich in them 
do you not boil your grains?
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Re: while i wait... [Re: twistedty]
#19168201 - 11/21/13 12:13 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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yea i did all that with gypsum all the jars still got trich, i dont boil now since i dont use gypsum
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flipsidetrue said: yea i did all that with gypsum all the jars still got trich, i dont boil now since i dont use gypsum
gypsum doesnt cause trich. seems like a lot of time to hair dry grains when you can boil them dump in strainer and walk away while they steam dry.
to each his own
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Re: while i wait... [Re: twistedty]
#19168261 - 11/21/13 12:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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hmmmmmm good point i outta try that and save some time..
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newera
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i don't boil mine, i let it come to a boil and chuck it on a window screen
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Re: while i wait... [Re: newera]
#19169132 - 11/21/13 09:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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another question for you guys lol it might be dumb but im trying to eliminate any possible problems! i added the gypsum before i let the grains soak, so the gypsum also soaks for the 24 hrs. is this correct? or should i just add the gypsum when i start to bring it to a simmer/boil? and on top of that, am i supposed to add gypsum AGAIN when making my coir/verm substrate? or is adding the gypsum at either of the two steps enough?
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Re: while i wait... [Re: vaneazy]
#19169199 - 11/21/13 09:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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yes add it before you soak and yyes you still use it in your bulk
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Re: while i wait... [Re: newera]
#19169511 - 11/21/13 11:19 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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newera said: i don't boil mine, i let it come to a boil and chuck it on a window screen
you dont boil yours? you let it come to a boil
i see
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elasticaltiger
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Re: while i wait... [Re: twistedty]
#19169622 - 11/21/13 11:44 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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newera said: i don't boil mine, i let it come to a boil and chuck it on a window screen
you dont boil yours? you let it come to a boil
i see

I believe he means he doesn't maintain the boil for any duration.
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