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Offlinevaneazy
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while i wait...
    #19154987 - 11/18/13 04:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Unfortunately I forgot to register my gift card online and tried to order some syringes and it got declined and now i have to wait 5-7 business days untill the pending transaction expires so i can try again lol
BUT ANYWAYS... since i have some time before i can do anything i figured I would try to get some input on a few things. Just as a disclaimer, i know the basic answers to these questions, im just looking for everyones PERSONAL PREFERENCE so dont tell me to do more research please lol

1) first off, how long do you guys let your grains soak? whenever i let it go for 24 it seems i get a lot of exploded seeds

2) how do you guys like to let your WBS dry? i would like to try to get away from letting it sit in the strainers after simmering because when i shake the colander seeds go everywhere and it seems to take forever to get the bottom dry

3) Finally, do you guys have any tips for doings G2G in a SAB? i wipe the jars with alcohol and spray a lot of oust in the box/room and still tend to get a contam or two, just anything you guys might do that arent expressly stated in the how-tos?
Thanks for any answers guys!


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Re: while i wait... [Re: vaneazy]
    #19155015 - 11/18/13 04:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Hi,

22 Hours. With Gypsum

1.fill my pc nearly full, stir and heat until near boil.

2.take window screen, place over big tote.

3. Secure screen to tote, with a slight bend.

4. Take WBS from PC usign strainer, when reaching near bottom
I empty pc over sink into strainer, than dump into tote w.screen

5. Stir using wooden spoon every ten minutes for an hour

6. Place into big ziplock, and fill jars that way, as opposed to
trying to carefully spoon each into jar one scoop at a time.

As for G2G Inside SAB, I do exactly the same. I wet the bottom of the container with Oust ( off brand ) and spray the jars with iso, use gloves, Its definatley not air tight. I do all of this inside a
closed off walk in closet with no air current.


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Re: while i wait... [Re: JMcDoogle]
    #19155086 - 11/18/13 04:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

putting the wbs in a big ziploc and cutting a corner off for a pourer is one of the best things ive heard haha (idk if thats exactly how you were talking) but thats ingenious! thats the kind of tips im looking for lol life hacks for mycology :smile: thanks! and ill have to look for a spare window screen to try that drying method out


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Re: while i wait... [Re: vaneazy]
    #19155134 - 11/18/13 04:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

1.  I like to do 12 hours, but it usually ends up being 20-24. 

2.  I bring it up to a boil as quickly as I can under maximum heat, remove it and then dump the excess water through my strainer.  I line an entire counter with aluminum foil and keep removing and straining grain, shaking it a little to get out as much moisture as I can without dislodging and losing any seeds, and then dumping it onto the foil and spreading it out so it can air dry.  I let it continue until it's no longer steaming.  Unlike some other people, I don't spoon.  I just shovel it roughly into the jars with my hands, since any of it that I drop just falls back onto the foil.

3.  Loosen the lids before you do any transfer of grain, and bust up the master jar thoroughly enough that you can get enough grains into the daughter jars within one or two seconds.


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Re: while i wait... [Re: Psilicon]
    #19155200 - 11/18/13 04:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

so here is how i do it

wash the wbs till the water clears up, take out the floater dead seeds.

boil water in a pan,
when its boiling pour the washed seeds in and wait till the water boils again.
now turn off the gas/ electric completely. put the lid on and wait for 1 hour.

after 1 hour take a metal colander/ strainer, strain the seeds, and wash them under warm water. u wash away the extra starch so it wont clump in the jar, and reduces the chance of wet spots.

after the wash, rinse it very well till no drop of water comes from the strainer

load your jars 3/4 full and PC for 90 minutes

after the PC while it still crazy hot, get a towel or something (dont burn yourself) and shake the jars like mad, u mix up the dry-wet parts

let it cool, aim. shoot


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Re: while i wait... [Re: Aero]
    #19155213 - 11/18/13 04:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I remove the sunflower seeds and leave as much of the floating millet as I can.


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Re: while i wait... [Re: Psilicon]
    #19155220 - 11/18/13 04:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

1) 16 to 24 hours. Just depends on how coordinated I am with my work schedule.

2) I had the same problem. Buy the colanders they sell at local mega-centers that sit in your sink with a fine mesh. Stromrider has a picture of them in his bulk tek.

3) Practice, practice practice.  Get those hand movements brief and smooth.  If you've ever practiced slight of hand magic tricks it's the same kind of smoothness you're looking for. The technique should be so rehearsed and fluid that you could do it in your sleep without contamination.  After you've performed the movements a ten thousand times your muscles will have developed kinetic memory to make all the movements natural.

Before you do your next G2G practice the day before and then, an hour before you G2G, practice with empty jars ten times before you do the real thing.


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Re: while i wait... [Re: Aero]
    #19155254 - 11/18/13 04:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Aero said:
so here is how i do it

wash the wbs till the water clears up, take out the floater dead seeds.

boil water in a pan,
when its boiling pour the washed seeds in and wait till the water boils again.
now turn off the gas/ electric completely. put the lid on and wait for 1 hour.

after 1 hour take a metal colander/ strainer, strain the seeds, and wash them under warm water. u wash away the extra starch so it wont clump in the jar, and reduces the chance of wet spots.

after the wash, rinse it very well till no drop of water comes from the strainer

load your jars 3/4 full and PC for 90 minutes

after the PC while it still crazy hot, get a towel or something (dont burn yourself) and shake the jars like mad, u mix up the dry-wet parts

let it cool, aim. shoot




Bad.

The reason you simmer in a boil, is simply to dry the grains through steaming.

Why would you rinse off the starches, I find them as useful
for the mycelium as the grain itself. Adding Gysum into the
water during soak, or simmer will achieve the non-stick
you're looking for, while adding beneficial calcium.

Again, the reason we simmer is to get the grains super hot,
and then allow them to dry in open air, virtually steaming
themselves dry...


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Re: while i wait... [Re: JMcDoogle]
    #19155292 - 11/18/13 04:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

A hair dryer works great for drying grains :smile:


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Re: while i wait... [Re: Stromrider]
    #19155327 - 11/18/13 04:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Stromrider said:
A hair dryer works great for drying grains :smile:




Real men use blowtorches.


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Re: while i wait... [Re: JMcDoogle]
    #19155340 - 11/18/13 04:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

u say wrong but i have 100% success rate with this, and great grows.

it works for me that works for you

u just say wrong cause its not the same way u do it :laugh: epic man u are such a square :laugh:DDD


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Re: while i wait... [Re: Aero]
    #19155448 - 11/18/13 05:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Aero said:
u say wrong but i have 100% success rate with this, and great grows.

it works for me that works for you

u just say wrong cause its not the same way u do it :laugh: epic man u are such a square :laugh:DDD




Trich infested grain produces fruits out of desperation,
but it works too, just not the way I want to do it.

Im not saying its wrong, im just saying its not right :wink:


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Re: while i wait... [Re: JMcDoogle]
    #19155481 - 11/18/13 05:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

misunderstood


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Re: while i wait... [Re: Aero]
    #19155513 - 11/18/13 05:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Nice pictures, perhaps you should create your own thread
to boast about the fruits of your labor.

This is about practice, and I voiced my opinion about
practice. I than offered my opinion about your practice.

I used an example of bad practice producing results.
I did not in any way link your practice to this idea.

Simple enough.


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Re: while i wait... [Re: JMcDoogle]
    #19155577 - 11/18/13 05:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

mistype


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Edited by Aero (11/19/13 10:27 AM)


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Re: while i wait... [Re: Aero]
    #19155599 - 11/18/13 05:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Aero said:
if u follow my tek, u are likely end up with a tub like that,
end of story


and jMcdoogle you are right of course,

i see a few days ago u were having troubles with your bulletproof tek..and now u are giving advices on HOW TO prepare grains the PROPER way :laugh: great master
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19103798#19103798

anyways. we always learn something




There was no problems, Im sure you read that whole thread?

I was looking for advice, which turned out to be contam free..

I never claimed to be a master and I still do not, and you're simply turning around
the situation on me to avoid judgement of your own.

Sad.


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Re: while i wait... [Re: JMcDoogle]
    #19155620 - 11/18/13 05:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

pointless


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Edited by Aero (11/19/13 10:26 AM)


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Re: while i wait... [Re: Aero]
    #19155657 - 11/18/13 05:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Aero said:
i finished this conversation with you.





You're trying to degrade the value of my word here on these
forums with a post that offers no original information as the OP
was deleted.

Sounds like there wasnt anything wrong with what I said in the first
place, seeing as you resorted to a few week old post.

Now I am done, :wink:


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Re: while i wait... [Re: JMcDoogle]
    #19157397 - 11/18/13 11:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I like to spread the all wbs out on news paper with a wire mesh scoop strait from the hot water. Mix with your hand until the paper is soaked then transfer to dry paper and repeat until paper does not get wet quickly.

the trick is not spilling shit. lol


Edited by MUSH HEAD420 (11/18/13 11:01 PM)


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Re: while i wait... [Re: JMcDoogle] * 1
    #19157626 - 11/18/13 11:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

JMcDoogle said:
Again, the reason we simmer is to get the grains super hot,
and then allow them to dry in open air, virtually steaming
themselves dry...




Rice won't hydrate if you don't bring it to a boil. Neither will rye and with rye we boil hard for a whole ten minutes.

Grains will dry without heat.  We simmer to hydrate.  Different grains require different amounts of simmering.  Bird Seed doesn't take very long to simmer to hydrate.  Rye takes a lot of boiling. Rice takes a medium amount of boiling.

If we didn't need to 'cook' the grains to hydrate them then no company would ever sell rice cookers.  Grains can only absorb so much without boiling.  You'll never get fully hydrated rice with room temperature water no matter how long you leave it in the water.


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First time growing cakes? DON'T make a Shotgun Fruiting Chamber

The Shmuvbox. - The Old TC's Like it :shrug:

Afraid to Start Growing From Your Own Prints? Drop it Like a Tiger!
No Pouring. No Syringes. No Cutting. No flaming. No Contamination. No Bullshit.

"The best thing to do while your waiting is to start more stuff. I usually got so much happening that I have tossed projects simply because I didn't have time for them. -Pastywhite QFT

Pastywhite's Easy Agar Tek (PastyPlates)

Tiger Drop Video Demos By munchauzen

Van Gogh would’ve sold more than one painting if he’d put tigers in them.―Bill Watterson

EZEKIEL 23:20


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