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    #19153964 - 11/18/13 12:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

either personally or culturally, is not an indicator of any sort of truth.

This is yet another fallacy.


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Re: Long-held beliefs [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19153981 - 11/18/13 12:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

some people like their pancakes the same every time

some like to mix them up

the basic batter remains the same though

that's no long held belief - it's a fucking fact, Man!!!!


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Re: Long-held beliefs [Re: eve69]
    #19154016 - 11/18/13 12:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Some are gluten intolerant, and didn't even know it after all those years.  Other than their guts constantly ached.  What that wasn't normal?


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Re: Long-held beliefs [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #19154046 - 11/18/13 01:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Gluteny is one of the seven cardinal sins. :nono:


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Re: Long-held beliefs [Re: eve69] * 1
    #19154050 - 11/18/13 01:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)



Doug Henning or Jesus?


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Re: Long-held beliefs [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19154098 - 11/18/13 01:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Gluteny is one of the seven cardinal sins. :nono:




Cause the cardinals get their bread free.  Obviously.


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Re: Long-held beliefs [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #19154116 - 11/18/13 01:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

They also get that extra-nasty wine for free. *shudder*


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Re: Long-held beliefs [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19154330 - 11/18/13 02:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

isn't gluteny how the bread sticks together?


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Re: Long-held beliefs [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19154340 - 11/18/13 02:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Long held beliefs either personally or culturally, are not an indicator of any sort of truth?


What do you consider truth to be?

How about..

What if truth is simply existence; living and dying? What is truth for a mentally retarded person or a fish? Is it not relative for every creature?

Just because humans can express high levels of intellectual thought doesn't mean any sort of truth is discoverable. The truth is subjective and therefore it can't be measured.

Even to say that truth is mere existence is just a conjecture uttered by me.


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Re: Long-held beliefs [Re: redgreenvines]
    #19155328 - 11/18/13 04:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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isn't gluteny how the bread sticks together?




unlimited salad bar and pasta along with bread sticks at the olive garden.


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Re: Long-held beliefs [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #19155387 - 11/18/13 04:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Adam and Eve ate there frequently. :yesnod:


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Re: Long-held beliefs [Re: OrgoneConclusion] * 1
    #19155687 - 11/18/13 05:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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either personally or culturally, is not an indicator of any sort of truth.

This is yet another fallacy.




No I'd think that it would be an indicator, that it was more likely to be true than not. A long held belief will have been challenged many times, so it's more likely to have been tested and passed. While some long held beliefs will not be true, more will be than not.


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Re: Long-held beliefs [Re: falcon] * 1
    #19156306 - 11/18/13 07:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The reality that such is still considered a belief rather than a fact seems to point to the inability for it to be substantiated after all this time.


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Re: Long-held beliefs [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19156362 - 11/18/13 07:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

A fact?

Just how do substantiate facts, without accepting some things as true? In fact lots of things have to believed before you can even get to the concept of fact.


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Re: Long-held beliefs [Re: falcon]
    #19159443 - 11/19/13 12:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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A fact?

Just how do substantiate facts, without accepting some things as true? In fact lots of things have to believed before you can even get to the concept of fact.




this is what he is pointing, the you

to you truth is what conceive the fact so yourself prior to anything, so for you there is nothing if truth must be first
and for anything to be, invention of constant use to relative objects is what justify the abuse of any else being, and the creation of any will as the concept of being a true self identity...

so he is saying, what you are is not the point, it is not about convincing you that you are wrong, it is about finally revealing the fallacy even if the lie exist as being the only living one

how is it a fallacy you should ask..not how you are a veracity

it is a fallacy indeed.. for sure.. give me one minute let me think a bit, haha I am just joking of course

facts are out of constancy, the reason of any matter moving freely

that is how bacterias are existing before yourself being, while it is not its source

like you could have realized the relation between yourself being and bacterias .. but you didn't, you preferred to invent how there is no fact that precede yourself that you know, so to get any justification of making up arguments that say how you are superior source

there cant be superior source, like creating yourself being superior in inventing the superior mean you could pretend being

there cant be superior source I said, because what is superior cant be created, what is superior is respected of being its own fact, as it is an objective value which means also existence of positive conscious facts plurality 

superior is a positive source, like what the op is saying, being objective realizing a present sense to facts that are never about you, showing how the fact exist and not you

like you are suggesting that since you are alone in fact, then there cant be objective fact

but you can see everything else being, when clearly everything is being moving more where you become less,

the fallacy revelation is not only for ethics, like what conscious is first the honesty of recognizing objective existence being more real then oneself, so how oneself is only out of objective existence recognition as what obviously comes first, like sciences agree about that clearly

but it is also about the fact, the present sense is always you when the fact is your isolation of everything else, so the absolute constant is your way to be still, and what says absolute thing point the free sense out, the more the absolute is being the more a free sense out of it is the present awareness of knowing the fact,  without meaning any of that

so again what he is saying is right, when that is the fact you mean, yourself being and your free sense while being translated in willing to profit from that superiority out of claiming being more, to do something superior in investing that superiority in time

why don't you realize yourself superiority to your being objectively through your being, like being then your positive source alone

instead of seeking others beings inferiority to keep meaning back of your mind how you are superior and know better the reality of all things

it shows the fallacy you see ? no

ok so what I say is not that

if we admit your fallacy, like claiming being your choice right, as there cant be anyone else to verify it

the point is what at a different place, the fallacy is objective, not you, you are actually not creating anything, you never move when you are like inventing something because you are tied to the thing you invent so tied to what you don't know .. this is how the fallacy is revealed here on earth, god is a liar in all ways 

you might enjoy the idea of creating something, but you the most know that everyday you are more aware how impotent you are, and how negative and hateful you become to yourself being which is of course innocent and maybe would hate you too
but, what is certain is the negative you become everyday more to mean being source still of something out .. negative objectively by enjoying attacking the reality of things in terms of forcing your terms

while you would enjoy also ensuring your stay that way, by running inventing the opposite claims, like your argument here, we must believe for things to become real, like saying come on there is no thing without you and me saying it ... here again he would shout fallacy !

if you really are nothing else, why cant you show that reality of you ?
why cant you say something that no one ever say and nothing points it ?

what is funny, is what you are creationist through constant creations of others means of things that do not concern you at all
while what are objective happen to invent themselves constantly as they are never anything to know

if you look as those two premises you would see one wrong and one right clearly
individuals conscious are freedom, it is the constant awareness which is present while having nothing to do with what is aware about

creating is right, but only in using yourself then alone

so what are using things which already exist are lying about their means

it is about killing as positive drive or offering life as positive source

so it is about the fundamental difference between being positive and being superior, that show how truth conception of free superiority, is truly existing, when being superior is right and being positive is wrong

positive is to own self alone so to freedom out of everything so never seen nor objective, it is the identity truth of a subject for itself out of its own self realities
but positive as objective being is wrong, it is always about the pleasure out of killing else, like life is about being one force

so the way cannot be positive because it is through negative acts, so there cant be any positive thing, like you also want to believe to justify getting your arguments from what positive existence is your source
positive cannot be a source, because positive is always only one isolated fact alone, freedom

but superiority don't have to be alone, so it is to objective fact, different superiority are all existing while can be compared to and resolved freely also right

so you see how right and wrong definitely exist !!

positive drive is actually inferior freedom
positive source is actually superior freedom

which show the equation that prove how existence is about truth existence, freedom superiority

then existence free resolutions sense is for true freedom and leading inferior freedom to end itself, as it cant exist while never existing

positive drive is from actually being a negative reaction from knowing that positive sources exist, it is like about meaning to move for jealousy, so it is actually meaning to kill and not to gain something

it is logical from knowing that superiority as the truth is relative basically, that is why truth is never present but always a conception which exist as a whole perspective of everything

it is the relative sense of everyone to be a possible superior way depending on the will in being positive about

you could reply to someone you think being like you, hihi I am just protecting all what I killed today.. I am still hungry the food is becoming bitter while I am getting tired of spending too much energy that I cant pretend surviving in faking being superior, tired from having to get down on my knees to beg others superiority pretenses for some fake energies that doesn't really help to survive better in same mean...

but you know you would say at last, we always win as at the end there is no other rules, you know ..it is true .. don't you ? of course you do believe that too

I apologize to the op, for all the liberty I took to post nonsense ..

hopefully you would read from the last word, so you will not read any of it all

I use to insist on free expressions rights on forums, like it seems to be right to take advantage from any thread to mean whatever I want

like what thread is for but others words, the more they are different the more it is really a living thread ... I didn't know ...

now I know how it matters to you, so sorry again for my different words in all what you might ever want to see

ok I must stop now for what I mean actually is that this thread is yours ! yea


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Re: Long-held beliefs [Re: absols]
    #19160640 - 11/19/13 04:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The original post use colloquialisms that expanded the meaning of what he said, beyond what you have addressed. Though I don't see all of what you're saying, what I do has my interest.


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    #19163415 - 11/20/13 02:52 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

thanks... I would reply in general means, how your objective reaction that shows reading right even of what it is pointing yourself negatively, prove truth existence as the base of anyone perspective value on anything else, so the point of how everyone know but no one wants to objectively admit what it knows rights, like respecting all what exist already before meaning to realize other things in life with others alike

you might be free enough to mean creating facts and being always above realities, so thanks for recognizing at least others freedom existing too even if for different means.. watch out there cant be a lot like that.. I don't know if you will have anytime to do anything of your mean with your friends..  :burke:


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Re: Long-held beliefs [Re: eve69]
    #19166547 - 11/20/13 05:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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eve69 said:
some people like their pancakes the same every time

some like to mix them up

the basic batter remains the same though

that's no long held belief - it's a fucking fact, Man!!!!




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Re: Long-held beliefs [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19170867 - 11/21/13 04:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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This is yet another fallacy.




You can call out their medicine for the bullshit it might be but until we've got a cure just let them have the placebo. :shrug:
For those properly indoctrinated they need that shit to avoid agony, so unless they're hurting someone then whats the harm in my imo.


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