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Chrisitanity is just a fad
    #19153888 - 11/18/13 12:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

it's a long lasting one because let's face it -Judeo-Christians are really good guilt trippers, but it's still just a faze for teenage humanity.

We all will grow up though. Have a little faith in God. The Dark Ages will not last forever.


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Re: Chrisitanity is just a fad [Re: eve69]
    #19153906 - 11/18/13 12:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Wrong.  Humanity will not grow up. We will continue to grow wider however.  :girlishjoy:  :wooyeah:  :fatfear:  :knockmeonmyass:


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Re: Chrisitanity is just a fad [Re: Icelander]
    #19153951 - 11/18/13 12:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You have to have some muscles to carry your cross.


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Re: Chrisitanity is just a fad [Re: eve69]
    #19156794 - 11/18/13 09:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

A whole thread dedicated to hate on Christians and you didn't even articulate any interesting facts or incite an intellectual debate. Christians>you. Read a book, do some thinking, come back and try again. Christians have made far better points in fewer words.

Of course in general Christians suck just as much as the rest of humanity but I've met some who would blow your little mind. Good day!


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Re: Chrisitanity is just a fad [Re: GreySatyr] * 1
    #19158253 - 11/19/13 04:13 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

No, no. Egoism is the fad and Christianity is one of the many means provided to man to help him overcome it. I certainly hope Christianity does not leave us before egoism. Egoism is what humanity must mature out of, not the path of virtue and righteousness prescribed by Christianity. Righteousness, wisdom and love are the hallmarks of a mature human being and a mature Christian.


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Re: Chrisitanity is just a fad [Re: eve69]
    #19158346 - 11/19/13 05:13 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

everything is a fad

in what respect are judeo-christians good 'guilt trippers'?


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Re: Chrisitanity is just a fad [Re: Chronic7]
    #19158366 - 11/19/13 05:37 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

in the classic sense


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Re: Chrisitanity is just a fad [Re: GreySatyr]
    #19158371 - 11/19/13 05:42 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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A whole thread dedicated to hate on Christians and you didn't even articulate any interesting facts or incite an intellectual debate. Christians>you. Read a book, do some thinking, come back and try again. Christians have made far better points in fewer words.

Of course in general Christians suck just as much as the rest of humanity but I've met some who would blow your little mind. Good day!




Actually I didn't say anything about hate. There's no point arguing reasonably about something unreasonable. I was just thinking hopefully.  I really don't hate Christianity or Christians. I don't do hate.  I am married to a Catholic. Her parents are the two best people on Earth. 

I was just expressing hope that someday people would find something based in reason and rationality to base their fervent hopes in, instead of hoping for something completely based in myth which only differs from other myths by virtue of the afterlife emphasis.

I understand you don't like me Greymorph but you could choose to be more discrete and reasonable in your hatred and choose one point to argue about how much you hate my topic, instead of the whole thing :wink:


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Re: Chrisitanity is just a fad [Re: eve69] * 1
    #19159053 - 11/19/13 10:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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eve69 said:
it's a long lasting one because let's face it -Judeo-Christians are really good guilt trippers, but it's still just a faze for teenage humanity.

We all will grow up though. Have a little faith in God. The Dark Ages will not last forever.




:ilold:

You have far, far too much confidence in the general intelligence of the human race, IMO.


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Re: Chrisitanity is just a fad [Re: deCypher] * 1
    #19159180 - 11/19/13 11:10 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I don't hate you OP, I don't even know you. I'm just saying that the way you started the thread isn't in good tastes. The problem with what you're preaching is lack of spirituality. I believe in knowledge and spirituality but a lot of the time they are at odds. A lot of things that have been proven by science were already known by the ancients. Now science gives us some mundane reasoning behind things while ancients believed in higher power, there's really no difference except for the fact that science is slower than the ever evolving universe. We will never know everything so when you don't, just believe in what your soul and heart says.


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Re: Chrisitanity is just a fad [Re: GreySatyr]
    #19159325 - 11/19/13 11:55 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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A lot of things that have been proven by science were already known by the ancients.




Like what


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Re: Chrisitanity is just a fad [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #19160299 - 11/19/13 03:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You want an example or do you want a thousand examples? I don't have time for a thousand but here is one, modern medicines are derived from ancient medicines. Here's another medical example, in medieval times they thought leeches could absorb your sickness. Modern medicine uses the enzyme from the leech to treat stroke victims.

A lot of ancient philosophies were based on mystical experiences and spiritual experiences with the earthy divine and YET modern science is just now explaining these experiences in mundane terms. Doesn't make reality any less magical, mystical or spirituall than what it truly is. Just makes it more difficult to experience first hand unfortunately.


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Re: Chrisitanity is just a fad [Re: eve69]
    #19160407 - 11/19/13 04:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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eve69 said:
it's a long lasting one because let's face it -Judeo-Christians are really good guilt trippers, but it's still just a faze for teenage humanity.

We all will grow up though. Have a little faith in God. The Dark Ages will not last forever.





I don't know if Christianity is so much a "fad" as it has become cultural and political on top of religious and spiritual. This may actually allow it to survive long into the future though it may have a different role in times to come.

If one goes along with the historical idea that Christianity sprang from Judaism which sprang from Canaanite Polytheism the next model could either end up being pantheistic OR a reimagining of polytheism. One can already see this in the way some Christians place Mary as the Queen of heaven, a modern day Asherah (of the proto-Judaic model); with Yeshua ben Yussef as the demi-god child of the union of heaven and earth.

Is this accepted as canon? No. Not by the Catholic Church or most Protestant denominations, but for the millions of people who call themselves "Christian" but aren't affiliated with a particular doctrine or dogma, there DOES seem to be a drift from hard-nosed monotheism to a softer one built on "greater" and "lesser" deities with various intermediaries and spirits occupying the space between these entities and human kind.

Personally? I LOVE it. I think the rash of fundamental materialism that is all the rage these days if  hubristic and strips wonder and awe from the universe. It feels like a control mechanism by a bunch of scared humans who can't face the idea that things might not be all "about them."

But that's just me and that's just my two cents American which ain't worth shit.


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Re: Chrisitanity is just a fad [Re: dionysiandame] * 1
    #19161532 - 11/19/13 07:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Christianity is based on fear.

If the evidence were such that Christianity's truth was immediately apparent to anyone who considered it, Christians (including the writers of the Bible)  would feel no need to result to the cheap tactic of using fear inducing threats to inspire belief. 

Furthermore don't you think if Jesus Christ were the son of God and the savior of mankind that more than just a small group of people in Israel would have known about him? Don't you think the God of humanity in the flesh coming to earth would make himself known to everyone


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Re: Chrisitanity is just a fad [Re: Stromrider]
    #19161861 - 11/19/13 08:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

He did make himself known to the world. :wink:

Not arguing, bud. You know my beliefs. I just like a heated discussion, haha.


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Re: Chrisitanity is just a fad [Re: GreySatyr]
    #19161899 - 11/19/13 08:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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He did make himself known to the world. :wink:

Not arguing, bud. You know my beliefs. I just like a heated discussion, haha.




Explain  how he made himself known to the world


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Re: Chrisitanity is just a fad [Re: Stromrider]
    #19161959 - 11/19/13 08:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Through the bible. The few that don't know about him are only in the deepest remote areas of the world. Places where we pagans belong, haha.


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Re: Chrisitanity is just a fad [Re: Stromrider]
    #19162019 - 11/19/13 08:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I would like to think Christianity is just a fad but sadly I don't think that's the case. I believe it's here to stay.

As a pagan one of my biggest issues with Christianity is that it depreciates the natural world.

With Christians emphasis on the afterlife they don't seem to be too concerned with the things of this world. James Watt (the Secretary of interior during Reagan's term) went as far to actively encourage the strip mining and clear cutting of the American West! He reasoned that the ecological damage didn't matter because the rapture was at hand :facepalm:


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Re: Chrisitanity is just a fad [Re: GreySatyr]
    #19162038 - 11/19/13 08:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Through the bible. The few that don't know about him are only in the deepest remote areas of the world. Places where we pagans belong, haha.





Come on Grey! I expected more out of you than that! Is that the best you can do?

Jesus didn't print and distribute the bible throughout the world.

Like I said during his life he only made his self known to a small group of locals. I think an omnipotent god could do a little better. Don't you?

This is exactly why the Jewish people don't see Christ as the Messiah. They say when the Messiah comes the whole world will know.


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Re: Chrisitanity is just a fad [Re: Stromrider]
    #19162081 - 11/19/13 09:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Christianity is based on fear.

If the evidence were such that Christianity's truth was immediately apparent to anyone who considered it, Christians (including the writers of the Bible)  would feel no need to result to the cheap tactic of using fear inducing threats to inspire belief. 

Furthermore don't you think if Jesus Christ were the son of God and the savior of mankind that more than just a small group of people in Israel would have known about him? Don't you think the God of humanity in the flesh coming to earth would make himself known to everyone



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