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no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. * 1
    #19153857 - 11/18/13 12:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

if you can't afford one then wait till you can they're not exactly expensive and they increase your success rate greatly.
save your supplies till you have one, i see lots of people asking about methods of sterilizing with other methods on here and nothing else really compares.
  :2cents:


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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: joeyshabadoo] * 1
    #19153863 - 11/18/13 12:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Ok


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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: joeyshabadoo]
    #19153866 - 11/18/13 12:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

never used a pressure cooker in my life and i have never had any contams in any of my grows..
but i have ONLY used the pf brf tek for this very reason.
i won't even attempt another tek without one.
so i say if u absolutly cant get a PC but still want to try a grow, follow the pf brf tek and you will succeed


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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: nexxone]
    #19153882 - 11/18/13 12:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Cool story, bro.


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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: Krik]
    #19153950 - 11/18/13 12:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I've been steaming my grains lately just because its easier to load a couple of stockpots rather then run my pc a few times, long day either way so I just steam


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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: Krik]
    #19153974 - 11/18/13 12:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Krik said:
Cool story, bro.



:manofapproval:  i was really hoping people were still saying that.

my main point is that i don't understand people that say that they "can't get one" unless you live 10,000 miles from any town there's no real excuse save up 30$ and go to walmart.:shrug:

nexxone - that's pretty awesome, you'd probably save some time with a pc but if you're having success and you're not worried then fuck it.


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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: joeyshabadoo]
    #19154069 - 11/18/13 01:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I never understood that either.  If you can't afford a pressure cooker you must be in desperate poverty and if you're that poor you probably should't be messing with psychedelics.


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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: joeyshabadoo]
    #19154146 - 11/18/13 01:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Steam sterilizing works just fine for cakes. That's one reason PF Tek is often recommended to beginners.

But I agree, a PC can increase your success rate if you are not doing steam sterilization just right.

Some people have tight budgets and making a commitment to a PC is not top on the list of priorities.

A PC for BRF Cakes is absolutely, without a doubt, 100%, unequivocally, unarguably, totally unnecessary.


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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #19154176 - 11/18/13 01:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I've been doing just fine with my stove pot and my BRF cakes :tongue: definitely will invest in a PC soon though.


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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: OneiricOutsider]
    #19154214 - 11/18/13 01:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Why the need to preach to people when they have great success without. RR himself says for PF tek you don't need one and it works fine. And what he says goes in my book :laugh:



Its like all the other "weed is like shit bro, no one use it" threads. For some people its great and others it isn't, just like alcohol, and like using a PC if your using PF tek. :rolleyes:


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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: cronicr]
    #19154231 - 11/18/13 01:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

cronicr said:
I've been steaming my grains lately just because its easier to load a couple of stockpots rather then run my pc a few times, long day either way so I just steam



No contams? That's pretty surprising.


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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: Chilled] * 1
    #19154242 - 11/18/13 01:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

IMO, no cooker, no grow.

if ya cant afford one,
your issues preclude you from growing.

all good growers,
should refuse to comment on no PC threads,
beyond " get a PC".


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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: anne halonium]
    #19154279 - 11/18/13 01:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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all good growers,
should refuse to comment on no PC threads,
beyond " get a PC".




Why?! Yea sure if people are trying a bulk grow it is totally useless without one but if you just want a few shrooms then pf tek works don't see the problem.

One of the things that great about this forum is people want to help you out. Why change that?


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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: Chilled]
    #19154354 - 11/18/13 02:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

its cool when serious growers teach serious noobs.

it cheapens everyone, when your NO PC grows collapse,
and ya ask us to trouble shoot.
( oddly , noobs luck, some get by a grow or 2, so this always happens, second or third grow , and they have 4 giant bulks turning deep green, and then they pop up, and only after a bunch of debate, does everyone realize this character amounts to a single bucket and goat feces............* but they did the tek exactly, and used lots of lysol............" the spores musta been bad")

the serious pros here, help outta love for the grow.
if you dont love your grow to enough spend 30$ , why should we?

most wanna help peeps actually grow.
no one cares if ya grow a handful for 5$ for yourself.
if your that low end, your never gonna grow serious anyway, and the only reason your here is cuz its the cheapest buz ya could find.

its not our mission as adult growers to " convince ya".
we prove the point all the time, convince US , you give a damn,
beyond your next buzz and $1.

not to be rude,
but really , if ya cant get the basics,
as said, ya have more serious issues.

even the fawking 16 yr olds who sneak in,
can mow a lawn or babysit for a PC.

no serious adult, should be offended here,
except the ones who are bored silly
with oliver twist and the boiling pot.

1890's 0r "1.0 steam age" is over .
in the new age, we us PC's.........steam 2.0.


Edited by anne halonium (11/18/13 03:38 PM)


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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: Chilled]
    #19154368 - 11/18/13 02:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

When I hadn't a PC and did cakes, it worked well without.
When I moved to rye I bought the PC.
End of story.
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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: Waldfried]
    #19154386 - 11/18/13 02:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

^ evolution in action. welcome.


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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: anne halonium] * 1
    #19154640 - 11/18/13 03:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'm getting one, but I didn't need a fucking PC for PF tek, so suck it.


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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: SizlChest]
    #19154661 - 11/18/13 03:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Hmm,

Its like the guy who just was sent to prison,

trying to set an image.

Nice 10th Post.


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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: joeyshabadoo]
    #19154663 - 11/18/13 03:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

joeyshabadoo said:
Quote:

Krik said:
Cool story, bro.



but if you're having success and you're not worried then fuck it.





Thread Title : no excuse to not pressure cook, ever

Way to stick to your guns.


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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: JMcDoogle]
    #19155229 - 11/18/13 04:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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no excuse to not pressure cook, ever



Try pressure cooking with a sleeping baby nearby and say that :lol:

Fruiting is beyond the scope of this thread but the idea that something is dangerous simply because mold could possibly grow on it at some point is ridiculous.


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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: Kizzle]
    #19155258 - 11/18/13 04:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

buy a PC. or just do pf tek.

did i get that right?


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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: aomoriakuma]
    #19155473 - 11/18/13 05:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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buy a PC. or just do pf tek.

did i get that right?




Pretty much. There are way steam whole grains but the amount time involved for reliable results makes it inconvenient for many people.

Quote:

( oddly , noobs luck, some get by a grow or 2, so this always happens, second or third grow , and they have 4 giant bulks turning deep green, and then they pop up, and only after a bunch of debate, does everyone realize this character amounts to a single bucket and goat feces............* but they did the tek exactly, and used lots of lysol............" the spores musta been bad")



It's other way around because mold can't possible survive steaming, only some bacteria can. Trichoderma for instance is killed by 10 minutes at 140F. As soon as says 'contamination' and 'steamed' those facts are diregarded and the lack of PC gets blamed.


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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: Kizzle]
    #19156141 - 11/18/13 06:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Kizzle said:
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no excuse to not pressure cook, ever



Try pressure cooking with a sleeping baby nearby and say that :lol:





im left aghast.:facepalm:


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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: JMcDoogle]
    #19157806 - 11/19/13 12:22 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

JMcDoogle said:
Quote:

joeyshabadoo said:
Quote:

Krik said:
Cool story, bro.



but if you're having success and you're not worried then fuck it.





Thread Title : no excuse to not pressure cook, ever

Way to stick to your guns.



 

you're right i actually should have named the thread "no excuse to not own a pressure cooker, ever".


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Read
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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: joeyshabadoo]
    #19158256 - 11/19/13 04:14 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Meh, I've done both.  Had success with both.  When I got the money, I bought a pressure cooker for peace of mind and ability to move up eventually to bulk methods. 

The normal PF tek does work to near perfection if done right.  But from a strictly scientific perspective, relative or total sterilization by pressure cooking increases the likelihood of success.


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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: aomoriakuma]
    #19158589 - 11/19/13 08:01 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

aomoriakuma said:
buy a PC. or just do pf tek.

did i get that right?




I have a Pressure Sterilizer in the marketplace, brand new in the box that runs silently. Plus it's a Sterilizer. Plus it's brand new in the box, and it hold 7 Qts, and it runs silently. Did I mention it was in the marketplace.

Need I say more?

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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: bootster]
    #19158601 - 11/19/13 08:05 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

bootster said:
Quote:

aomoriakuma said:
buy a PC. or just do pf tek.

did i get that right?




I have a Pressure Sterilizer in the marketplace, brand new in the box that runs silently. Plus it's a Sterilizer. Plus it's brand new in the box, and it hold 7 Qts, and it runs silently. Did I mention it was in the marketplace.

Need I say more?

Sterilizer




Do not plug your marketplace ads in the cultivation forum,

PM a user if you must, but I believe this is against the rules.

The marketplace is for fair trade, the cultivation forum is not
a method to advertise your items for sale.

Not trying to be a dick, but the cult forum would be over-run
with hey I got this, or hey wanna trade this for that, in every
forum from people who seek to rid of their items.


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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: joeyshabadoo] * 1
    #19158857 - 11/19/13 09:44 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Most people are advised to get a pressure canner, which is what you actually need. Pressure cookers are too small to get anything done. If you get one that's worth anything, they can be quite expensive. And (:heart: you guys), the Shroomery is full of tag whores that wholeheartedly believe that AA is the only way to fly and everything else is Unworthy. So anyone unaccustomed to PCing believes this.

AA canners are expensive, indeed all pressure canners are. Many people cannot find them in their area, so, being that they are also very heavy, buying one on the internet and having it shipped can be prohibitively expensive. AND--If you are unsure you want to get into this hobby, PF cakes and steam canners (which actually do cost about $20 at Walmart--at least when I bought one maybe 10 years ago) are the practical choice.

So...there is a perfectly good reason to not have one. :wink:


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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: BittrBuffalo]
    #19159280 - 11/19/13 11:38 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Why is it better to PC manure than to pasteurize? 

Could the OP elaborate on how pasteurizing subs is bad practice?


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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: BittrBuffalo]
    #19159469 - 11/19/13 12:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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tag whores that wholeheartedly believe that AA is the only way to fly and everything else is Unworthy.




dont ya love how anyone but oliver twist is an elitist?

guess i am, i have 2.
@ $ 250 each, best $500 i ever spent.
its dumb to have to buy new cooker seals every 2-3 months.

what this boils down to is the crop.
if ya just want a lucky handful,
use the microwave.

anyone wanting a tangible , reliable, and serious consistant crop,
a cooker is required.




i saw a guy grow a pot plant once with a 60W incandescent light bulb.
we got 5-6 hits off the buds 10 months later.
all kinds of things can be done. dont trifle yourself.

and the steam punks, wonder why the serious growers balk.

as for bigguns, theres nothing wrong with pastuerization.
problem is , its often used as a shortcut by peeps that are unable to effectively master sterile practice.

most often  , the same lack of skill applies to pasteurization.
hence, the common trichy tub.

pastuerization, works when its done right.
now get em to do it right............
easier to tell em to get a cooker.


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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: anne halonium]
    #19159523 - 11/19/13 12:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

anne halonium said:
Quote:

BittrBuffalo said:
tag whores that wholeheartedly believe that AA is the only way to fly and everything else is Unworthy.




dont ya love how anyone but oliver twist is an elitist?

guess i am, i have 2.
@ $ 250 each, best $500 i ever spent.
its dumb to have to buy new cooker seals every 2-3 months.

what this boils down to is the crop.
if ya just want a lucky handful,
use the microwave.

anyone wanting a tangible , reliable, and serious consistant crop,
a cooker is required.




i saw a guy grow a pot plant once with a 60W incandescent light bulb.
we got 5-6 hits off the buds 10 months later.
all kinds of things can be done. dont trifle yourself.

and the steam punks, wonder why the serious growers balk.

as for bigguns, theres nothing wrong with pastuerization.
problem is , its often used as a shortcut by peeps that are unable to effectively master sterile practice.

most often  , the same lack of skill applies to pasteurization.
hence, the common trichy tub.

pastuerization, works when its done right.
now get em to do it right............
easier to tell em to get a cooker.




You talk funny.

Although, I agree with your.. uh.. statements..questions..demands?

On the other hand, some people do want to experience bulk,
though cannot afford a 250$ PC. Spending a few dollars for a seal two three times a year on a 80 dollar pressure cooker that works ideally
is good enough for me, and a lot of other people.


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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: JMcDoogle]
    #19159578 - 11/19/13 01:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

and thats fine.

as said, we can only take your grow as serious as you do.

some dont have the luxury, of waiting on seals in the mail.
or boiling for 8 hours, or unlimited fuel and heat values,
or ,the time to deal with lost crops and disposal.


i suppose boiling cauldrons for hours/ days,
is a wonderful idea for peeps in farm houses in the arctic.

now convince the peeps who live in tropical urban areas.
those peeps have issues with smell and heat values.

fact is, best approach, is most reliable, and works everywhere.
steaming, does not meet those standards.


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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: Kizzle]
    #19159632 - 11/19/13 01:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Kizzle said:
Quote:

no excuse to not pressure cook, ever



Try pressure cooking with a sleeping baby nearby and say that :lol:




lol.  Ya.

late night PC runs.  Setting alarms to wake up and shut off stove.

then another alarm to wake up and take out the jars and start the new run after the PC cools down.

that shit alone will piss off a sleeping baby, let alone the sound the PC makes coming to pressure initially!


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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: TheApprentice]
    #19159642 - 11/19/13 01:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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TheApprentice said:
Quote:

Kizzle said:
Quote:

no excuse to not pressure cook, ever



Try pressure cooking with a sleeping baby nearby and say that :lol:




lol.  Ya.

late night PC runs.  Setting alarms to wake up and shut off stove.

then another alarm to wake up and take out the jars and start the new run after the PC cools down.

that shit alone will piss off a sleeping baby, let alone the sound the PC makes coming to pressure initially!



Ueah try I might I can't seem to avoid those pressure releases completely. Seems like if I even walk to the thing is does it :lol:


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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: TheApprentice]
    #19159651 - 11/19/13 01:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

is anyone else aghast that peeps have bio grow ops around infants?

i envision a trailer, a trich tub, a giant boiling pot,
paper clips on he lid , and a crib by the table, with a cat laying on the fridge top........
along with the mandatory trash barrel and no bag over flowing, lysol in the air, and a furnace filter that would eclipse a vegas spotlight.

sounds serene, but its insane.


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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: anne halonium]
    #19159678 - 11/19/13 01:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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is anyone else aghast that peeps have bio grow ops around infants?




lol no.  Don't be a weirdo

its just a vegetable, not a meth lab


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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: TheApprentice]
    #19159690 - 11/19/13 01:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

any concept of the potential bio toxins with a contamed grow?

fact is you aint growing a carrot by the shed,
your growing fungi, in a bio op.

all this is peachy fun for adults.

infants..........
it is not advisable for about 50 obvious reasons.
( the first 49, ending with "DUH"):facepalm:

id suggest , by modern standards of sanity,
that a "wierdo" would be a hack shroom grower with an infant assistant.
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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: TheApprentice]
    #19159751 - 11/19/13 01:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

At first I planned on buying one, but it's always worked for me to sterilize my BRF cakes or pints of Rye in cauldron for 90 minutes with the lid on.  I've done over 100 pint jars of Rye without any contaminations as of yet.

With the results I'm getting, I really don't see a use for the pressure cooker.  My same pot is used to pasteurize my bulk substrate and casings. :smile:

AM I JUST LUCKY OR WHAT?!  I even let them cool on the counter right after sterilizing.  My guess is that the SFD's are doing their job of filtering the air being sucked in due to the temperature change.

Until I start seeing problems, I won't be investing in a big AA pressure canner/cooker. :p


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    #19159793 - 11/19/13 01:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

not buying it.
ive seen %1  PC loss , using grains in clean rooms,
with flow hoods, and tyvek suits , and pro handling.

if your that lucky , god bless

scientific standard for labs is a PC.
luck  and skill are not interchangeable values.

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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: anne halonium]
    #19159849 - 11/19/13 02:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I've lost about 5 to contams after doing G2G in a SAB.  Could have been that they weren't properly sterilized to begin with... who knows.  Regardless, I've been quite successful without the PC! :laugh:

I live in a newly constructed residence... in a cold climate, could have something to do with it.  But i've been quite lucky as of yet. :smile:

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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: BittrBuffalo]
    #19160046 - 11/19/13 02:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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BittrBuffalo said:
Most people are advised to get a pressure canner, which is what you actually need. Pressure cookers are too small to get anything done. If you get one that's worth anything, they can be quite expensive. And (:heart: you guys), the Shroomery is full of tag whores that wholeheartedly believe that AA is the only way to fly and everything else is Unworthy. So anyone unaccustomed to PCing believes this.

AA canners are expensive, indeed all pressure canners are. Many people cannot find them in their area, so, being that they are also very heavy, buying one on the internet and having it shipped can be prohibitively expensive. AND--If you are unsure you want to get into this hobby, PF cakes and steam canners (which actually do cost about $20 at Walmart--at least when I bought one maybe 10 years ago) are the practical choice.

So...there is a perfectly good reason to not have one. :wink:




I used a Presto 23 Qt for 20 years before I bought my first AA. That was less than 5 years ago, so I am happy to say that I'm out of your " tag whore" grouping. I wouldn't buy brand new because they are so expensive. My problem now, and RR will back me up on this, I was buying an American built product with my Presto purchase (I got it as a Christmas present) but it didn't support wallyworld, or the chinese. The AA's Ive acquired are made right here and the chinese don't get a nickle out of the manufacturing and retailing of their products (unlike now with the Presto's and Mirro's).

I'm thinking about helping a shroomery member out around Christmas time and selling the Presto for dirt cheap just so those who can't afford to get into the hobby properly (no flames please) can get a huge break on it.
I won't plug the marketplace thing because JMac was absolutely correct. Thanks for the heads up.


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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: Gorlami]
    #19160324 - 11/19/13 03:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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i envision a trailer, a trich tub, a giant boiling pot,
paper clips on he lid , and a crib by the table, with a cat laying on the fridge top........
along with the mandatory trash barrel and no bag over flowing, lysol in the air, and a furnace filter that would eclipse a vegas spotlight.



Then what? The cat sees a contaminated spawn jar before you do, drags is to the crib, opens it, then empties the contents into the crib? That would be pretty insane :lol:


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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: Kizzle]
    #19160362 - 11/19/13 04:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Kizzle said:
Quote:

i envision a trailer, a trich tub, a giant boiling pot,
paper clips on he lid , and a crib by the table, with a cat laying on the fridge top........
along with the mandatory trash barrel and no bag over flowing, lysol in the air, and a furnace filter that would eclipse a vegas spotlight.



Then what? The cat sees a contaminated spawn jar before you do, drags is to the crib, opens it, then empties the contents into the crib? That would be pretty insane :lol:




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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: Kizzle]
    #19160370 - 11/19/13 04:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

odds are, if your that cavalier, your kid already has toxiplasmosis from the cat..........
cryptococus from your boiling feces mix or grains, would be next.
wait till the ER doctor wonders why your newborn has chronic bronchitis also.

no ever blames the cat in these hack grows,
they always blame the spore vendor " musta been bad spores"
or the landlord.
someone boiling  turds in grammas roast cooker? ,
what could possibly go wrong?


insane is growing in substandard conditions, with infants present.

im not trying to convince those who think this is normal routine ops.
as its not possible, and rather sad.

im posting for the benefit of future peeps that see this,
in hopes they will buy cookers,
and avoid bio grows with infants present.

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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: TheApprentice]
    #19160865 - 11/19/13 05:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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TheApprentice said:
Quote:

Kizzle said:
Quote:

i envision a trailer, a trich tub, a giant boiling pot,
paper clips on he lid , and a crib by the table, with a cat laying on the fridge top........
along with the mandatory trash barrel and no bag over flowing, lysol in the air, and a furnace filter that would eclipse a vegas spotlight.



Then what? The cat sees a contaminated spawn jar before you do, drags is to the crib, opens it, then empties the contents into the crib? That would be pretty insane :lol:




:ilold:

f*ckin cats




this post had me laughing my ass off,

seriously, almost poetic.

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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: bootster]
    #19162643 - 11/19/13 10:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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dont ya love how anyone but oliver twist is an elitist?

guess i am, i have 2.
@ $ 250 each, best $500 i ever spent.
its dumb to have to buy new cooker seals every 2-3 months.




Isn't this just a little hyperbolic?

Sure, it's great that you have 2 AA PCs. They are top of the line, there's nothing wrong with that. There is something wrong with those who engage in shroomier-than-thou cuntistry, insinuating that they are somehow superior to those who would dare get anything else. Y'all know what I'm talking about, you've seen it. There are good reasons why a serious grower may not have an AA, namely price and availability.

I'm going to guess you've never actually had a PC with a rubber gasket before, because if you have had to change it that often, you're probably doing something seriously wrong. I've heard people say the 2-3 month thing before, and I think someone somewhere pulled that number directly out of their anus and people just kept repeating it. In reality, you're going to need to change it about as often as you'll need a new timing belt in your car.

Quote:

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I used a Presto 23 Qt for 20 years before I bought my first AA. That was less than 5 years ago, so I am happy to say that I'm out of your " tag whore" grouping. I wouldn't buy brand new because they are so expensive. My problem now, and RR will back me up on this, I was buying an American built product with my Presto purchase (I got it as a Christmas present) but it didn't support wallyworld, or the chinese. The AA's Ive acquired are made right here and the chinese don't get a nickle out of the manufacturing and retailing of their products (unlike now with the Presto's and Mirro's).

I'm thinking about helping a shroomery member out around Christmas time and selling the Presto for dirt cheap just so those who can't afford to get into the hobby properly (no flames please) can get a huge break on it.
I won't plug the marketplace thing because JMac was absolutely correct. Thanks for the heads up.




Thank you!

Exactly. AA is top of the line, nice to have if you can, but Presto isn't a flimsy piece of crap only fit for the Unwashed because it's not AA. It's actually quite sturdy and will last a long time. It gets the job done. The main reason you should buy one, really, is like you said--that AA is made in America and not in a sweatshop somewhere overseas. The no gasket thing is a bonus.

Suriously, it's also a fucking pressure canner. Who really gives a shit about what everyone else is using to sterilize their shit, amirite?

BECAUSE OTHERWISE YOU'RE NOT DOING IT RIGHT!!!!
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    #19162673 - 11/19/13 10:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

PS: That's also incredibly nice of you. I agree that PCs are really the way to go if you want to cut your chance of contams in your substrate down to nil. But I can see why someone might not have one. It's just a bigger pain in the ass to do without. :wink:


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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: BittrBuffalo]
    #19162782 - 11/19/13 10:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The one I'm going to sell on the cheap needs a new gasket (It's first in 24 years) and a gauge (I know it's outta' whack). The rest of the unit is built better than the imports. I never even gave it a second thought when I fired the 'ol girl up. For years I never knew it could handle 10 Qts. in it ( mostly because we did liquids with the lids on slightly loose).

I'm hoping that this unit will land in the hands of someone who is going to get in the hobby and stay in it for a long time. What's a couple of gaskets among friends. I'll probably try to sell it (or make a trade) right before Christmas. Keep looking in the marketplace.


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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: bootster]
    #19163325 - 11/20/13 01:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

really did not expect this much attention on this thread ahahah, I'm actually curious to try some steam sterilizing now.

much love to the shroomery ya'll are great been reading since 2004 first noob account in 2008 here's my second swing.

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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: TheApprentice]
    #19163373 - 11/20/13 02:24 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

anne halonium said:
is anyone else aghast that peeps have bio grow ops around infants?




lol no.  Don't be a weirdo

its just a vegetable, not a meth lab




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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: joeyshabadoo]
    #19163457 - 11/20/13 03:25 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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if you can't afford one then wait till you can they're not exactly expensive and they increase your success rate greatly.
save your supplies till you have one, i see lots of people asking about methods of sterilizing with other methods on here and nothing else really compares.
  :2cents:




I know I'm a little late on this thread but seriously dude, I did 72 PF jars with only one contamination using only steam sterilization.

If you're talking about grains then yes of course you should get one but you can grow mushrooms with steam sterilization even if it's not a way to get a lot of quantity.  Sometimes people just want to trip once in a while and for that, steam sterilized PF TEK is the answer to their prayers.


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    #19163926 - 11/20/13 08:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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Quote:

anne halonium said:

shroomier-than-thou cuntistry,
insinuating that they are somehow superior





hardly,
im saying anyone who doesnt use  a cooker is a hack.
if you feel inferior being a hack, admit it,
instead,
you insult every serious grower with a cooker.

you have serious psyche issues,
if you consider someone with modern cookware " superior"
and i would hope the community is not lowered to your standards.

and we are "shroomier" than thou, we have cookers. thats the point.


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    #19163935 - 11/20/13 08:14 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

BITTRBUFFALO -

I have to change my PC seals at least every
2-3 months.

in fact, I was cooking some agar yesterday and my
seal blew.

I think its either the replacement seals I've
been buying, or

its because I have been pressure cooking
on a gas stove lately.  Fuckin hate itm

you can never really find the sweet spot
on a gas range.

so I think the temp fluxuations of raising
and dropping pressure for 2 hours wears
the seals out quicker.

also, you gotta think man.

most people NEVER use their
pressure cooker as much as
we enthusiasts do.

no cook is raising pressure to 15 psi
2 times a day, 3-4 days every week or so.

I know how to PC

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    #19163942 - 11/20/13 08:18 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

you pry are doing it right............
seal cookers just blow out.
any tangible grower is gonna blow seals.


this is JV and varsity.
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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: anne halonium]
    #19163965 - 11/20/13 08:31 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Presto 23 Quart

$79.99

All American 930

279$

Presto 23 Quart Sealing Ring and Rubber Gasket

$9.50 a piece & even less for a package of them.

I dont know for sure, but i think you're full of shit
when you say you have to replace it every two months?

How would you know, you've got an All American.

The point is, they work, they're cost effective...

You'd have to replace twenty gaskets to make up for the
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    #19163993 - 11/20/13 08:44 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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    #19163997 - 11/20/13 08:45 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Read the whole thread, this was not directed
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    #19163999 - 11/20/13 08:46 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

LoL

but seriously.  You do have to replace the seals often, IME.


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    #19164020 - 11/20/13 08:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Are you setting it to max to heat it up? It should help if you do it at a lower temperature even though it'll take longer to get to pressure. At least I'm guessing it will since they have warnings about the maximum BTU to use, and some gas stoves can go above that.


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    #19164042 - 11/20/13 09:05 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Ya I set at max to raise pressure

the. Turn it down

but can't get to the spot where its rocking
ever minute or so.

its either rocking every 10-15 seconds
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    #19164098 - 11/20/13 09:19 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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How would you know, you've got an All American.





glad ya have a cooker.
now use it, burn a seal, and youll have some authority.

ive had many different seal cookers of all sizes for 25yrs.
10 yrs ago i got AA's. i know the dif , from experience.
im not even sure how many  different ones i had over the yrs.
i do know i dont have time for ordering seals.

if its a contest of cheap jm, you win.
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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: anne halonium]
    #19164300 - 11/20/13 10:13 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

There is no difference in the quality
of ones grow in whether or not they use
a 800 dollar sterilizer or a 80 dollar canner.

They do the same job.

Shut up you elitest.

" Omg I cant spend fourty seconds ordering seals on amazon,
than another five minutes to  walk down the driveway
to my mailbox. "  But you can spend hours on here arguing with
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    #19164398 - 11/20/13 10:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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    #19165055 - 11/20/13 12:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

my pc got taken so i wont sterilize again until i get another one. when i sterilized 6 pf cakes i have mycelium starting to colonize after 5 days and had no contams from any of them. pc is the best way to go. not saying steaming doesn't work it just has to be nearly perfect.


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    #19165079 - 11/20/13 12:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

with my 2 stock pots and my one pc running i can do about 40 jars in 8 hours, with out my stock pots that would take me too long


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    #19166133 - 11/20/13 03:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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with my 2 stock pots and my one pc running i can do about 40 jars in 8 hours, with out my stock pots that would take me too long




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    #19166157 - 11/20/13 04:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

yep hasn't failed me yet, just make sure you have a tight lid and some extra boiling water handy, i find i need to refill a couple cups worth about every hour or so


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    #19166436 - 11/20/13 05:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

ok , so scanning back,
i see some familiar faces.

all of em, by admission , or obvious deduction,
represent maybe a few hundred containers at most.
you cant be serious.
a couple of people who boil a few cases ?


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    #19166620 - 11/20/13 05:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

This is a good REASON why you anyone should have a pressure cooker.


Stopped into a goodwill today, there were three of them.

This one was 6.99.

Came with rack inside, and two weights.

Old as sin, but twice as thick as my 6 QT Presto I bought a few years
ago for small roasts.

I'll be giving this away at cost to anyone who needs it, just
pay shipping. Plus, I would buy this over a new one cuz' like
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    #19166635 - 11/20/13 05:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)


i scored two of these for under 20 bux, down to one now(dropped it and it needs new handles) but thrift stores can be a score for sure


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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: bootster]
    #19166643 - 11/20/13 05:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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The one I'm going to sell on the cheap needs a new gasket (It's first in 24 years) and a gauge (I know it's outta' whack). The rest of the unit is built better than the imports. I never even gave it a second thought when I fired the 'ol girl up. For years I never knew it could handle 10 Qts. in it ( mostly because we did liquids with the lids on slightly loose).

I'm hoping that this unit will land in the hands of someone who is going to get in the hobby and stay in it for a long time. What's a couple of gaskets among friends. I'll probably try to sell it (or make a trade) right before Christmas. Keep looking in the marketplace.




It probably just needs the gauge calibrated rather than a whole new gauge. You can usually get this done at your local co-op extension. Most people who do canning do this to their cookers because *technically* you're supposed to do it every year, but this is more essential for food canning because processing times are much, much shorter. It's not expensive. If the county co-op won't do it, sometimes it is less of a hassle to just replace it. Anyway--here's zee link if you're interested:
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    #19166737 - 11/20/13 06:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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    #19166801 - 11/20/13 06:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Cool that you guys were able to find them cheap. :grin::thumbup:

It's kind of luck of the draw, but sometimes you can find one (or three) and get a good deal.

Yeah, maybe I'll see if I can find one at Goodwill and trade it for some agar supplies and azzie prints. :mushroom2:


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    #19167007 - 11/20/13 07:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for the input BittrBuffalo. One problem. Before we knew any better, we'd put salt in the water (salt makes water boil at a lower temperature) and it would reduce the time. The problem is that the gauge on these is not a geared gauge so water gets up inside the gauge itself and over time it rusted. I think that they are like $25 or so (just a guess). I'm probably going to trade it for a print or something like that.

I'll get down to the nitty gritty when the time comes.

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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: bootster]
    #19167086 - 11/20/13 07:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

my gauge has been fucked for a long time but my weight is what i watch, if it's for 15 psi just wait for it to start to jiggle and you have hit your mark


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    #19167184 - 11/20/13 07:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

:whathesaid:

After you've done it enough, you don't really care about the gauge. The rocker weight doesn't change.


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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: bootster]
    #19167306 - 11/20/13 08:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Thanks for the input BittrBuffalo. One problem. Before we knew any better, we'd put salt in the water (salt makes water boil at a lower temperature) and it would reduce the time.




Actually, salt increases the boiling point of water, but only slightly.
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    #19167647 - 11/20/13 09:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

My excuse RR was that I thought they were like 150$
So I steamed brf instead and got success...
But after seeing new 9L PC's at 35$... You're right, there is no excuses...

Prints are now sometimes more expensive than PC's

So even though you can get success without a PC, no excuses...
You don't have money for a PC? you won't have money for the rest either... My 2 cents


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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: jpack666]
    #19168982 - 11/21/13 08:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

There is an excuse for not pressure cooking....it's not needed for cakes.


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    #19169200 - 11/21/13 09:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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My excuse RR was that I thought they were like 150$
So I steamed brf instead and got success...
But after seeing new 9L PC's at 35$... You're right, there is no excuses...

Prints are now sometimes more expensive than PC's

So even though you can get success without a PC, no excuses...
You don't have money for a PC? you won't have money for the rest either... My 2 cents



That's $35 which is completely unnecessary when someone is planning to do cakes. Those PCs are crap anyway. Chances are they could fit more jars in a pot they already have. Even if someone is planning to stick with the hobby and move on to grains eventually it'd still be better to save up for something decent.


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    #19169214 - 11/21/13 10:01 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

this thread really illuminated the steam punks.

i bookmarked this, so when these peeps pop up in other threads,
they can quickly be linked and identified , as "not of consequence",
when they pop up trying to spew nonsense  on threads and teks,
that require PC cooking skill.

if ya dont have a PC, your not relevant to the serious grow.

one of the big problems here, is poorly equipped and marginal growers,
advising other poorly equipped noobs, on what they wanna hear to be cheap, and ignoring safety and lab sterile standards.

were all soiled by this practice.


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    #19169311 - 11/21/13 10:29 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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    #19169375 - 11/21/13 10:45 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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this thread really illuminated the steam punks.

i bookmarked this, so when these peeps pop up in other threads,
they can quickly be linked and identified , as "not of consequence",
when they pop up trying to spew nonsense  on threads and teks,
that require PC cooking skill.

if ya dont have a PC, your not relevant to the serious grow.

one of the big problems here, is poorly equipped and marginal growers,
advising other poorly equipped noobs, on what they wanna hear to be cheap, and ignoring safety and lab sterile standards.

were all soiled by this practice.





:hmm:

Ah, so now I see why 70 people have ignored anne halonium; it's because she's a cunt.


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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: anne halonium]
    #19169378 - 11/21/13 10:46 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Such a PC elitist lol why does it even bother you that much to know that other people out there are doing things cheaper and more easily? The horror!!!! I bet there's at least a few people out there that stick to PF tek and/or steaming jars who know more about mycology and "the serious grow" than you. Chill out.


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    #19169395 - 11/21/13 10:49 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Such a PC elitist lol why does it even bother you that much to know that other people out there are doing things cheaper and more easily? The horror!!!! I bet there's at least a few people out there that stick to PF tek and/or steaming jars who know more about mycology and "the serious grow" than you. Chill out.




Well I don't know what you've been told but BRF is very expensive when compared to spawn like WBS. And the money you saved by not buying a pressure cooker is quickly eaten away by energy costs and sub costs.

BRF is not cheap. There may be cheaper ways to sterilize. But BRF is always going to drag you down.


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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: Juicin]
    #19169441 - 11/21/13 11:00 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Well, then there's your horseshit and straw and tubs and whatnot...and it depends on what you have access to. Maybe WBS is cheaper than brown rice, but you have to figure in your substrate, which you don't have to use with cakes.


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Well, then there's your horseshit and straw and tubs and whatnot...and it depends on what you have access to. Maybe WBS is cheaper than brown rice, but you have to figure in your substrate, which you don't have to use with cakes.




Thanks for reminding me, I've got to get some poo,verm, and gypsum made up.

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Such a PC elitist lol why does it even bother you that much to know that other people out there are doing things cheaper and more easily? The horror!!!! I bet there's at least a few people out there that stick to PF tek and/or steaming jars who know more about mycology and "the serious grow" than you. Chill out.




Well I don't know what you've been told but BRF is very expensive when compared to spawn like WBS. And the money you saved by not buying a pressure cooker is quickly eaten away by energy costs and sub costs.

BRF is not cheap. There may be cheaper ways to sterilize. But BRF is always going to drag you down.



I agree if the hobby becomes something long-term, then yes buying the PC and moving to grains will be cheaper in the long run. I plan on moving to it myself, eventually. But if you're inexperienced and/or only plan on growing a couple times, then there's no real reason to invest.
What energy costs are you referring to? You still have to buy substrate materials unless you can get poo for free.


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    #19169501 - 11/21/13 11:15 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Well, then there's your horseshit and straw and tubs and whatnot...and it depends on what you have access to. Maybe WBS is cheaper than brown rice, but you have to figure in your substrate, which you don't have to use with cakes.




Sub fruits just as well as BRF, and even the most expensive sub is cheaper than BRF.

And as he* said if you have access sub could be free.

BRF is not an efficient way to grow from any perspective. Unless you plan to commit a class X felony for shits and giggles.

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    #19169508 - 11/21/13 11:17 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Energy costs are higher because a PC uses the heat it gets from teh stove much more efficiently

Steaming for a few hours uses a lot more energy than getting a PC up to pressure and maintaining for 2 hours.


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    #19169515 - 11/21/13 11:20 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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money you saved by not buying a pressure cooker is quickly eaten away by energy costs and sub costs.





its that simple really.

bottom line, peeps without PC's,
have no business telling peeps WITH PC's how to grow.

i make zero apologies,
for telling peeps to have safe, clean ,reliable grows.
only deranged hacks, would suggest otherwise.

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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: Juicin]
    #19169577 - 11/21/13 11:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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only deranged hacks, would suggest otherwise.




Like the millions of growers who have pasteurized substrates successfully in the last century...


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    #19169625 - 11/21/13 11:45 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

ah bigguns, the poster boy for a boiling feces.

millions of growers?

if half the growers who boil turds, got half the result ya claim,
we would all be neck deep.

adults in the room , realize your no PC grows, are not really tangible.

10% of the growers, grow 90% of the boomers.
i can assure you bigguns, the top 10% has PC's

ill be glad when ya learn to grow bigguns.
its a yawner seeing you espouse steam punking.

is there any cheap, hack method you havent endorsed?
im at a loss to ever recall you endorsing modern lab standards.

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    #19169628 - 11/21/13 11:45 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not defending anyone here but my sterilizers use 1 1/2 Quarts of water, has toggles, not rockers and when they get to 15 psi, the range is set to the lowest setting (simmer) it can possibly reach. You can walk away and set the alarm on your phone or stove and when you are done, there is still 1 1/2 Quarts of water in it.

No steaming up of windows, none of that BS. The best thing about an AA unit is that you can put a toggle on any unit and make it run the way I've just described.


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    #19169650 - 11/21/13 11:50 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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millions of growers?




Yes... millions of mushroom growers around the world have been successfully pasteurizing substrates to grow all manner of mushrooms.

Is that actually controversial to you?


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    #19169662 - 11/21/13 11:52 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

millions.............
your home cave bigguns, cant break 669 visitors a day.

even counting your sock puppets, your still short.

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    #19169698 - 11/21/13 11:59 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I get poo for free.  :poop:


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    #19169707 - 11/21/13 12:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

we all do.

its s grow contest,
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    #19169717 - 11/21/13 12:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

note to self : voicing an opinion gets a hell of a lot more responses than asking a question.


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note to self : voicing an opinion gets a hell of a lot more responses than asking a question.



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    #19169725 - 11/21/13 12:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

note to self: buying a cooker, gets a hell of alot more boomers, than steaming................


and thats the point.
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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: anne halonium]
    #19169836 - 11/21/13 12:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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anne halonium said:
note to self: buying a cooker, gets a hell of alot more boomers, than steaming................


and thats the point.
ya wanna grow like the big kids?
order your cooker today!




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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: anne halonium]
    #19169995 - 11/21/13 12:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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anne halonium said:
note to self: buying a cooker, gets a hell of alot more boomers, than steaming................


and thats the point.
ya wanna grow like the big kids?
order your cooker today!



well until i can get 6 more pc's to run or a walk in auto clav my one pc don't cut it for most of my projects:shrug:, but i do agree that a pc is an asset for the hobbiest and makes life easer:thumbup:


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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: joeyshabadoo]
    #19170058 - 11/21/13 12:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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