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Fluffy Mycelium fruiting ? Pics attached
    #19153283 - 11/18/13 09:18 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Hi guys this is my first grow. I birthed the cake and did the dunk and roll tek. The cake has been sitting in the shotgun fruiting chamber for 6 days and still no mushroom heads instead i got this fluffy like mycelium growing. Is this normal please and will the cake fruit ? The fluffy mycelium grew in the chamber when the cake was birthed no fluffy mycelium was in sight.


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Re: Fluffy Mycelium fruiting ? Pics attached [Re: xelzin]
    #19153409 - 11/18/13 09:59 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Your relative humidity is most likely too high, how often have you been fanning?


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    #19153421 - 11/18/13 10:03 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

too high? as in more than 100%?
I just think that looks nasty.


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    #19153425 - 11/18/13 10:03 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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    #19153444 - 11/18/13 10:08 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Ive seen pics of cakes 10 times fluffier than tha and still fruited.. but i would reccomend not misting em for a couple days and pleanty of fae and maybe the puffiness will go down.. ive never had a cake turn into a puffball though.. can you gove some details on what you have been doing as far as caring for it?


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Re: Fluffy Mycelium fruiting ? Pics attached [Re: SamhainJ]
    #19153636 - 11/18/13 11:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I have been fanning the cake about 3 times a day. i have not misted them again apart from the first misting after rolling. Humidity is 99% and temperature is about 65-70.


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Re: Fluffy Mycelium fruiting ? Pics attached [Re: xelzin]
    #19153654 - 11/18/13 11:15 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Try to lower the humidity to maybe 90%… tip your tub a little and see if theres any water that gathers in the corner. If so use some clean paper towels to absorb it out.. is there enough holes in your sgfc?


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    #19153699 - 11/18/13 11:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

There are holes in 2 sides of the terrarium im gona do holes on the other sides aswell. Should i drill the bottom aswell ?


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Re: Fluffy Mycelium fruiting ? Pics attached [Re: xelzin]
    #19153742 - 11/18/13 11:44 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

try to fan more than 3 times a day, it can be the excess CO2,
i saw trays with similar overlay, but they fruited after all :wink:


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Re: Fluffy Mycelium fruiting ? Pics attached [Re: xelzin]
    #19153747 - 11/18/13 11:45 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

holes should be on the 6 side of your sgfc(terrarium)
bottom AND top too for a proper FAE(fresh air exchange):wink:


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Re: Fluffy Mycelium fruiting ? Pics attached [Re: cArcace-x]
    #19153782 - 11/18/13 11:52 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for the helpful information guys. You guys are awsome.


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Re: Fluffy Mycelium fruiting ? Pics attached [Re: cArcace-x]
    #19153792 - 11/18/13 11:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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holes should be on the 6 side of your sgfc(terrarium)
bottom AND top too for a proper FAE(fresh air exchange);)




you might skip the top to keep the humidity


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Re: Fluffy Mycelium fruiting ? Pics attached [Re: Aero]
    #19153954 - 11/18/13 12:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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holes should be on the 6 side of your sgfc(terrarium)
bottom AND top too for a proper FAE(fresh air exchange);)




you might skip the top to keep the humidity




^that dudes got no idea my friend.
disregard that statement, its complete horse shit!

a properly built shotgun fruiting chamber is a container of at least 18", with 1/4" holes drilled every two inches on ALL SIX SIDES.

air rises through the 3-5" of wet perlite dragging humidity with with.


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Re: Fluffy Mycelium fruiting ? Pics attached [Re: blojo02184]
    #19153962 - 11/18/13 12:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

That cake is toast


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Re: Fluffy Mycelium fruiting ? Pics attached [Re: Aero]
    #19153970 - 11/18/13 12:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

you need fresh air intake, circulation, evaporation of the substrat to induce pinning, that is why you need holes on 6 side of your sgfc


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    #19154029 - 11/18/13 01:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

if u put wholes on the top, all the shit from the air in your room will settle on your cake right through those wholes, just my 2 cent..


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Re: Fluffy Mycelium fruiting ? Pics attached [Re: blojo02184]
    #19154060 - 11/18/13 01:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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holes should be on the 6 side of your sgfc(terrarium)
bottom AND top too for a proper FAE(fresh air exchange);)




you might skip the top to keep the humidity




^that dudes got no idea my friend.
disregard that statement, its complete horse shit!

a properly built shotgun fruiting chamber is a container of at least 18", with 1/4" holes drilled every two inches on ALL SIX SIDES.

air rises through the 3-5" of wet perlite dragging humidity with with.




air rises? what u were looking for is water evaporating..because of the texture of the perlite and the heat in the FC :wink:
boil water put the lid on top? do u need air circulation ? as the temperature rises, the water evaporates due to the higher molecular movement present in the water.

the shotgun has the holes so the excess co2 can exit and fresh air can go in. u still have plenty of fresh air without the holes on the top. considering ur environment is not as clean as a lab, keep the lid as it is

what op should do is to drill holes on the exact level of the perlite, so the co2 can flow out


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Re: Fluffy Mycelium fruiting ? Pics attached [Re: Aero]
    #19154079 - 11/18/13 01:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Aero..clean your room!  :facepalm3:

xelzin, just make a shotgun fruiting chamber(terrarium with holes on the 6 SIDE,) and it should be elevated so the bottom holes can breath.


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Re: Fluffy Mycelium fruiting ? Pics attached [Re: cArcace-x]
    #19154105 - 11/18/13 01:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Aero..clean your room!  :facepalm3:

xelzin, just make a shotgun fruiting chamber(terrarium with holes on the 6 SIDE,) and it should be elevated so the bottom holes can breath.




for that u would need a HEPA running 24/7
open a fresh agar plate in your CLEAN room for 30seconds, then close it back
put it into your incubator, let me know how clean the air is... :grin:


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Re: Fluffy Mycelium fruiting ? Pics attached [Re: Aero]
    #19156444 - 11/18/13 07:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Aero, you pile of Shit! Stop spreading mis-information!!!

A fully colonized cake is contaminant resistant because the mycelium will fight off bacteria and viruses.
Putting holes above or on the perlite level will not rid the co2. Co2 is heavier than o2, but will not settle out of the air. There are too many factors to account for in a room. You would need still air.

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    #19156454 - 11/18/13 07:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

:whathesaid: Fruiting is not a sterile process.....


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    #19156773 - 11/18/13 08:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

contaminated. Sorry. Try hitting the fluffy white stuff with a q-tip if anything rubs off it is more than likely s bacterial contamination from the inside of the cake.


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    #19157213 - 11/18/13 10:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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contaminated. Sorry. Try hitting the fluffy white stuff with a q-tip if anything rubs off it is more than likely s bacterial contamination from the inside of the cake.




:takingnotes:
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Re: Fluffy Mycelium fruiting ? Pics attached [Re: blojo02184]
    #19157221 - 11/18/13 10:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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contaminated. Sorry. Try hitting the fluffy white stuff with a q-tip if anything rubs off it is more than likely s bacterial contamination from the inside of the cake.




:takingnotes:
interesting to know :smile:



don't take that note, bruised myc easily rubs off onto a q tip


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    #19157225 - 11/18/13 10:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

looks like that cake is about to start turning green with all that marshmellow fluff


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Re: Fluffy Mycelium fruiting ? Pics attached [Re: Sockadin]
    #19157667 - 11/18/13 11:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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contaminated. Sorry. Try hitting the fluffy white stuff with a q-tip if anything rubs off it is more than likely s bacterial contamination from the inside of the cake.



The q-tip test was debunked years ago.

Bruised mycellium rubs off giving a false positive.


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    #19157820 - 11/19/13 12:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Woah...

:mindblown:

Thanks for clearing that up


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Re: Fluffy Mycelium fruiting ? Pics attached [Re: Aero]
    #19158319 - 11/19/13 04:52 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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if u put wholes on the top, all the shit from the air in your room will settle on your cake right through those wholes, just my 2 cent..



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Aero..clean your room!  :facepalm3:

xelzin, just make a shotgun fruiting chamber(terrarium with holes on the 6 SIDE,) and it should be elevated so the bottom holes can breath.




for that u would need a HEPA running 24/7
open a fresh agar plate in your CLEAN room for 30seconds, then close it back
put it into your incubator, let me know how clean the air is... :grin:



There are literally 20-50,000 Microbial particles in a cubic meter of air.  Simply birthing your cakes exposes them to measurable quantities of mold spores and bacteria.  What keeps them safe is a fully developed myclieum colony that can covers the entire surface, leaving no viable surface area for contaminants to gain a foothold.  Every time you fan, mold spores are getting onto your cakes. A consolidated myclieum colony has a substantial immune system.  Penicillin is the result of Penicillium mold repelling bacteria.

The myclieum will weaken eventually and stop producing mushrooms and get overrun by a parasitic mold, one or the other first.  No matter how sterile the room.

A SGFC as the others have said is a container with holes every 6 inches.


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Re: Fluffy Mycelium fruiting ? Pics attached [Re: 2bittoker]
    #19158340 - 11/19/13 05:09 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I just meant that it doesn't loo like myc. If it is oozing, when you hit it with a qtip you will tell weather that white stuff is a by product of bacteria or.NYC.


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    #19158356 - 11/19/13 05:26 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

xelzin, have you let your cake consolidate for a week? your picture is really interresting!


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    #19158386 - 11/19/13 05:58 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)






for that u would need a HEPA running 24/7
open a fresh agar plate in your CLEAN room for 30seconds, then close it back
put it into your incubator, let me know how clean the air is... :grin:




you trollin??
you can't compare agar that is a simple substrat to a fully colonised living organisme..


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Re: Fluffy Mycelium fruiting ? Pics attached [Re: cArcace-x]
    #19158498 - 11/19/13 07:19 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It doesnt look like a contam it looks mycelium, but either humidity os too high or fae bc i dont believe pins will form on that mycelium if it allowed to stay in its current condition.. it looks just like extreme overlay on a casing


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Re: Fluffy Mycelium fruiting ? Pics attached [Re: SamhainJ]
    #19158506 - 11/19/13 07:22 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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either humidity is too high



Not possible....

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it looks just like extreme overlay on a casing



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Overlay is bullshit and most of it relates to a picture of a normal casing layer in TMC that is incorrectly labeled as overlay.

A few months ago, I 'jokingly' said I'd ban the next person who asked an overlay question and it worked . . .until now. :lol:

What happens is one person asks about overlay, and for the next six months, every new grower thinks he has overlay.

I can guarantee you don't have it, since I've only seen it a handful of times, and I've been known to have grown a few projects in my day.  Full colonization of the casing layer is not overlay.  Give lots of fresh air and light, while misting a few times daily and you'll fruit soon.
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I've seen overlay two or three times in 40 years, so I doubt seriously you are seeing it, especially on an uncased bulk substrate.  It's common for new growers to mistake full colonization for overlay.
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By definition, a bulk substrate can't get 'overlay'.




http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15803177#15803177

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I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen overlay in 40 years.
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Uncased bulk substrates should be left alone and covered until 100% colonized.  Overlay is a vastly misunderstood phenomena which only affects species such as agaricus(button mushrooms) which require a casing layer.

Whatever you do don't deep scratch.  That's a failed method which was disproved 30 years ago.
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    #19158517 - 11/19/13 07:26 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

So if humidity is over 100% plus its not too high? What exactly causes a cake to blow up like the Op's, bc ive seen pics of cakes swell out with so much mycelium befre they are about the size of a basketball…


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    #19158525 - 11/19/13 07:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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So if humidity is over 100% plus its not too high?



How would that even be possible?

100% is 100% for a reason.....that is the maximum....

You cannot have 105% humidity....

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What exactly causes a cake to blow up like the Op's, bc ive seen pics of cakes swell out with so much mycelium befre they are about the size of a basketball…



Lack of FAE, contams, or other anomalies.....but not too much humidity, or too much FAE.....You want the humidity to be as high as possible, and you want as much fresh air as possible......


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    #19158533 - 11/19/13 07:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I meant to say 100%, not plus.. i had started typing something else and didnt erase all of the sentence haha


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    #19158537 - 11/19/13 07:37 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Ive had this happen sorry man not much hope it stunted my babys growth so bad i had to harvest early i still got 2 trips out of it tho post new pics .


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    #19158542 - 11/19/13 07:40 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

And no you want 100% humidity if anything variations in that will help contams grow mushies like humidity.


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    #19158545 - 11/19/13 07:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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And no you want 100% humidity if anything variations in that will help contams grow



Not true at all....contams help contams grow, not low humidity.

You want the humidity to fluctuate, because you want evaporation to take place.


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    #19159379 - 11/19/13 12:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

2bittoker, it's every 2 inches. Not 6.

Humidity over 100% = rain

Nah is a good source to quote. Op, listen to his advice.


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    #19161655 - 11/19/13 08:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I want to bump this again and call it contamination. How does it smell? And poke it with a stick, see if it bruises. I still say stick/qtip or anything that will tell you if it is a oooze or myc.

I am so confident I would bet my ass that if you licked that ooze it would make you very sick. In fact I would be willing to see a picture of anyone here that doesn't think it is a contamination take a huge bite of that oozey cream filled cake.

Notahacker is correct, It is not overlay. I am correct, it is not mycelium. I am not sure what overlay really is, but I had a cake that grew really odd skin once, and when I picked a mushroom off of it, it looked like skin peeling off some ones arm.

I recommend taking a QTIP and swabbing the area and transferring it to a sterilized petri with agar to see what it is. $100.00 says it is bacterial contamination.


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    #19163603 - 11/20/13 05:08 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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    #19177671 - 11/23/13 04:14 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Following up on your thread, Was it bad? It has been a few days, we want to know if it ended up straightening out and did you get some nice little pins going?


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    #19177705 - 11/23/13 04:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Good luck, OP. I hope it pulls through.


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    #19184618 - 11/24/13 09:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Following up on your thread, Was it bad? It has been a few days, we want to know if it ended up straightening out and did you get some nice little pins going?




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    #19184910 - 11/24/13 11:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Wow, looks like you going mold.


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    #19188609 - 11/25/13 07:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

So? Mold or Mycelium?


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