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Dreams vs. Psychedelics
    #19153183 - 11/18/13 08:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I have seen a few posts on here relating dreams to psychedelics. I would have to disagree that psychedelics and dreams are similar. Even though psychedelics have the ability to be surreal and mystic, dreams are even more so. For me dreams integrate my memories into a surreal experience in a way that psychedelics don't. Psychedelics make a positive change because of the way your mind is looking at things. I have read things about ayahuasca where people describe full fledged(sp?) dream-like states but I have yet to experience that on any psychedelic. For me a dream is like a Salvador Dali painting and a psychedelic experience is like a Alex Grey painting. I have had some very profound dreams and also some very profound psychedelic experience but they exist in two different realms of thought for me. A psychedelic experience doesn't seem to have the ability to visually integrate my problems. By that I mean a psychedelic could never take a problem and have a characterize it as a living thing. I was wondering if anyone here has ever had a psychedelic experience that was exactly like a dream.


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Re: Dreams vs. Psychedelics [Re: mindgnome]
    #19153208 - 11/18/13 08:44 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I think they are very similar,

the main difference being
that the motifs and imagery used in the dream
come from mainly memory and the days experiences
They are layered thickly from already gained material

while with psychedelics
the layers that get compounded
are coming from external and internal stimuli
you are currently experiencing
as well as memory
( i think because psychedelics can extend memory signals
this is is what makes them dreamy)

I have done salvia 27 times
and every time I would characterize
it as being indistinguishable from a dream.
Same with certain sections of high dose acid trips


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Re: Dreams vs. Psychedelics [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #19153215 - 11/18/13 08:49 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Hmm that was a very good way of explaining it. I find the salvia thing interesting. I guess it would depend on how much salvia you do though. It is weird because dreams and psychedelics are similar in the way that they are both subjective experiences. I have never felt like I could fly on a psychedelic though haha.


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Re: Dreams vs. Psychedelics [Re: mindgnome]
    #19153242 - 11/18/13 09:02 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Î believe the experiences behind the experiences are subjective
but the mechanics themselves are objective

No person would or could say

'Well, subjectively I feel like my cerebellum isn't involved with the act of time keeping'

The cerebellum is part of time keeping,
and the argument used to prove otherwise
would not be a subjective argument either.


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Re: Dreams vs. Psychedelics [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #19153287 - 11/18/13 09:19 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

But someone couldn't say "Objectively we dream about my dog Henry all the time". Sorry that was a bit trolly but I see what you are saying. I was just saying they are both subjective experiences because they deal with a individuals thoughts and memories. It is objective that they both deal with memories though or at least have the ability to go there. Sometimes when I take a psychedelic I am completely in the moment rather than off in a memory, or sometimes I am completely within my imagination. For me there are definitely distinguishable differences between a dream and a psychedelic. Psychedelics are more mystical and dreams are more surreal. I wish I could just videotape my dreams because they remind me so much of Salvador Dali paintings.


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"As I walk on through troubled times my spirit gets so downhearted sometimes so where are the strong and who are the trusted? And where is the harmony? Sweet harmony. Cause each time I feel it slippin' away, just makes me wanna cry. What's so funny 'bout peace love & understanding?" - Nick Lowe

"Psychedelic drugs don't change you - they don't change your character - unless you want to be changed. They enable change; they can't impose it...” - Sasha Shulgin


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