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Re: No pins on top or fruits [Re: noob1303]
    #19119631 - 11/11/13 09:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Do half Verm and half coir, peat moss is from the ground and carry's so much bacteria and fungus.

60/40 Verm and Coco Coir Casing is what I believe you want, confirm with the guys though


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Re: No pins on top or fruits [Re: noob1303]
    #19119649 - 11/11/13 09:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I am just a parrot repeating info I have learned from hours of reading on here.
I have never cased anything so can't help you there.
Use the search but don't put the words right in the box on the main pg.

Click the words "search forums" on the top right of the search box and refine it.
Search casing.....check the trusted cultivators box.....and put the number 2 in years box.

Doing that for every search will get you the most reliable info.


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Re: No pins on top or fruits [Re: Rubestoad]
    #19119678 - 11/11/13 09:58 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Coir is a great substrate material. People used to think it was non-nutritive for mycology purposes, but it turns out they were all wrong.

You may need some extra time for colonizing that coir.

OP, your subs are dry on top. This is one of the difficulties of using pans inside a SGFC.

It's got some bluing, but it will start yellowing as it dries out more.

Treat it like a cake. Mist till it glistens with moisture. Fan a little. Once it no longer glistens, mist and fan again.

There is a magic moment when your cakes no longer glisten, but are obviously not dry. This is where you want to mist. Same holds true for your trays.

I would put a thin, PF Cake-like layer of vermiculite on top. In my experience, exposed coir drys faster than exposed vermiculite and grain doesn't hold water very well at all.

Your trays may have already lost a lot of water. If they feel light, and I suspect they do, then pour some water right over the top. Let the tray absorb the water for about 2 hours and then pour of the excess. Then add the vermiculite and start your mist and fan routine.

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Re: No pins on top or fruits [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #19120206 - 11/11/13 11:59 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Wydue Wanano said:
Neither coir nor verm are nutritive, and they are certainly casing materials, not bulk substrates.

Check the 50/50  casing guide on the forums, you'll see what I mean.

To Kiya_Star427: Thank you :cool:, I am still a complete scrub (have only managed to acquire my first fruits in the last week) but I try to be as thorough as possible in my reading/research.




Just no, Coir and actually even verm is nutritive to mycellium. Verm has minerals and mycellium use minerals just like how we add gypsum

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I beg to differ.  Vermiculite is not nutritious.  Mushrooms might attach themselves to vermiculite, but they aren't feeding on it IMVHO.




This is flat-out wrong. Check your facts before posting opinion based on limited knowledge as fact.

Fungi evolved before plants.  Exactly what do you think they were feeding on besides solid rock with energy supplied from the sun?

Every noob who has ever grown brf cakes through a few flushes has watched them shrink by 50% or more.  Since they're 2/3 vermiculite, exactly what do you think is being consumed if it's not the minerals?

If as you(wrongly) assume that fungi isn't digesting rock, exactly why do growers report increased benefits such as vigor and harvest weight from using vermiculite, calcium carbonate, and gypsum?
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Coir is a great substrate material. People used to think it was non-nutritive for mycology purposes, but it turns out they were all wrong.

You may need some extra time for colonizing that coir.

OP, your subs are dry on top. This is one of the difficulties of using pans inside a SGFC.

It's got some bluing, but it will start yellowing as it dries out more.

Treat it like a cake. Mist till it glistens with moisture. Fan a little. Once it no longer glistens, mist and fan again.

There is a magic moment when your cakes no longer glisten, but are obviously not dry. This is where you want to mist. Same holds true for your trays.

I would put a thin, PF Cake-like layer of vermiculite on top. In my experience, exposed coir drys faster than exposed vermiculite and grain doesn't hold water very well at all.

Your trays may have already lost a lot of water. If they feel light, and I suspect they do, then pour some water right over the top. Let the tray absorb the water for about 2 hours and then pour of the excess. Then add the vermiculite and start your mist and fan routine.

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I would try straight watering rather than misting to get that thing rehydrated. Then mist from there on out.


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Re: No pins on top or fruits [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #19120354 - 11/11/13 12:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Coir is a great substrate material. People used to think it was non-nutritive for mycology purposes, but it turns out they were all wrong.

You may need some extra time for colonizing that coir.

OP, your subs are dry on top. This is one of the difficulties of using pans inside a SGFC.

It's got some bluing, but it will start yellowing as it dries out more.

Treat it like a cake. Mist till it glistens with moisture. Fan a little. Once it no longer glistens, mist and fan again.

There is a magic moment when your cakes no longer glisten, but are obviously not dry. This is where you want to mist. Same holds true for your trays.

I would put a thin, PF Cake-like layer of vermiculite on top. In my experience, exposed coir drys faster than exposed vermiculite and grain doesn't hold water very well at all.

Your trays may have already lost a lot of water. If they feel light, and I suspect they do, then pour some water right over the top. Let the tray absorb the water for about 2 hours and then pour of the excess. Then add the vermiculite and start your mist and fan routine.

:2cents:




:whathesaid:

Except I wouldn't add more verm. Just mist when it doesn't glisten anymore. fan after mist.

Also, discard all the other info given, coir has nutes, verm has nutes, also read some other crap that was total BS. bodhisatta was spot on his first reply though.

That's the thing about the shroomery, so many stupid flat out wrong posts.


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Re: No pins on top or fruits [Re: spacechildo]
    #19120551 - 11/11/13 01:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Coir is nutritious, so does verm.

Peat have very little, if anything that is useful to mycellium...this is why we use it as casing layer material.

If you are growing any cube besides PE, a casing layer is not really needed.

Casing layers for bulk PE has proven to yield less blobs on the first flush, and give a very even pinset.


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Re: No pins on top or fruits [Re: PussyFart]
    #19121069 - 11/11/13 02:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Coir is NOT non-nutritious. I don't know why we keep hearing that. Coir has at least as much nutrition for fungi as cow manure, and comes close to rivaling horse manure. It will contaminate, but not easily if you pasteurize it properly. I doubt lc will inoculate coir or manure either one. You'll need to use your lc to inoculate grains or brf, then spawn that to the coir.
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Wrong. That's nonesense. Coir is as nutritious as horse manure, and is not suitable for use as a casing layer due to the nutrition unless massively diluted with vermiculite. That's why coir casings overlay so often. Coir is far better suited as a substrate, and there is not one single shred of evidence that coir does not deliver superior potency in cubensis.
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The prevailing wisdom is that verm is non-nutritious to fungi, but remember that only a few years ago, the same was thought of coir.  By observation, I've come to the conclusion that the fungi is digesting 'something' from the verm that aids in growth and vigor. 

Hardwood sawdust holds the same amount of moisture as verm, but when growing wood loving species on pf cakes, substituting the verm for sawdust results in smaller, poorly developed fruits.  I've also seen pure verm casings get overran with trich and cobweb, and even had a bag of verm in my garage that got wet and was completely colonized with molds.

We know that adding gypsum will increase the size and vigor of fruits, so perhaps verm holds similar ingredients/minerals?
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Re: No pins on top or fruits [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19121589 - 11/11/13 04:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The pan with the one fruit on top is still pretty heavy, what if i remove the pan and just set on foil. would the cake possibly do better?


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Re: No pins on top or fruits [Re: noob1303]
    #19121602 - 11/11/13 04:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Also if i pour water in the pans to dehydrate how much is needed?


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Re: No pins on top or fruits [Re: noob1303]
    #19122087 - 11/11/13 05:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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The pan with the one fruit on top is still pretty heavy, what if i remove the pan and just set on foil. would the cake possibly do better?



possibly but your results may vary. Look in my signature. I put mine right onto foil. Now some people do fruit in trays and have success. It's what works for you really. So long as your SGFC is built properly it should automatically be dialed in unless you have some fan running that's throwing it off or being to close to a forced air vent.

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Also if i pour water in the pans to dehydrate how much is needed?




you want to hydrate it. :lol:
I would use maybe something like 8 ounces and let it sit for a couple hours then try to pour off what ever didn't get absorbed.


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Re: No pins on top or fruits [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19125387 - 11/12/13 08:24 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

ha, yeah i meant hydrate. Thanks a lot for the info. I will post more pics in a couple of days.


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Re: No pins on top or fruits [Re: noob1303]
    #19151102 - 11/17/13 06:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I added water to 2 of the trays and took on cake completely  out of the pan and placed it on foil.They all have seemed to respond with some growth. The two cakes that had almost nothing now have one large fruit each . The other pan that had lots of fruits growing is still growing lots of fruits but they are kind of small. will to much light stunt growth? i noticed that after on day of no light the fruits really grew alot.


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Re: No pins on top or fruits [Re: noob1303]
    #19151295 - 11/17/13 07:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

fruits tend to do th most expanding during the dark cycle, too much light may slow them down a bit but i can''t see too much harm from it(i've left my light on for a couple days before by accident, nuthing went wrong)


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Re: No pins on top or fruits [Re: noob1303]
    #19153046 - 11/18/13 07:28 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: No pins on top or fruits [Re: SpitballJedi]
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