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Re: My theory on how to completely handle the Fukushima Disaster [Re: Irfan]
    #19153783 - 11/18/13 11:52 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

What about the molds that grew on Chernobyl's concrete walls under 1,000,000 rads, which was concluded to have used gamma radiation for cellular metabolism?



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Re: My theory on how to completely handle the Fukushima Disaster [Re: ScriabinAnime]
    #19153837 - 11/18/13 12:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I miss spoke.  While the gamma radiation may be able to be utilized for metabolism, the fungus does not decrease the radioactivity. That fungus is not making the area less radioactive, it is simply benefiting from the radioactivity.  In a similar fashion plants may harness the energy from the sun, but they don't deplete the sun.  Likewise the fungus is not making the radiation decay away at a higher rate than it already is naturally.  In fact its not affecting the source of the radiation at all.


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Re: My theory on how to completely handle the Fukushima Disaster [Re: ScriabinAnime]
    #19153926 - 11/18/13 12:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Also; the way he reported the radiation exposure is suspect.  "1,000,000 rads" is kind of a meaningless measurement; it’s an exposure when it should be an exposure rate.  For example, if the fungus was in the radiation field for 1 hr, and the exposure rate was 1,000,000 rads/hr then you could say that the fungus was exposed to 1,000,000 rads.  But the fungus lives in the radiation zone, it should really be reported as an exposure rate.  I can only guess that they took the exposure over the lifetime of the fungus to get a big number for more impact.

Say hypothetically the fungus lives 5yrs, ~ 8760 hrs in a year.
1,000,000 rads / (5*8760 hrs) = 22 rads/hr  Not quite as impressive of a number is it?

It's only proper to report radiation exposure rate unless the subject was exposed to the radiation field for a specified time duration, only then you can compute an actual exposure and then dose.  But again, the fungus has an ongoing exposure because it lives in the field.  Translation: while this dude may know a lot about mushrooms, I can immediately tell that he doesn't know much about radiation.

Without knowing what kind of arbitrary time frame they used to convert this from an exposure rate to an exposure, we really don't know shit about the radiation field that the fungus was actually found in.


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Re: My theory on how to completely handle the Fukushima Disaster [Re: ScriabinAnime]
    #19153987 - 11/18/13 12:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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What about the molds that grew on Chernobyl's concrete walls under 1,000,000 rads, which was concluded to have used gamma radiation for cellular metabolism?




I know about them. They don't neutralize radiation to any usable extent. And their use of gamma radiation for metabolism is a disputable theory in any case.


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Re: My theory on how to completely handle the Fukushima Disaster [Re: Irfan]
    #19154284 - 11/18/13 01:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

My theory disagrees


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Re: My theory on how to completely handle the Fukushima Disaster [Re: ScriabinAnime]
    #19154605 - 11/18/13 02:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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However, I was thinking how urine, a bioform product along with feces, could be used on the fuel rod; someone pisses on it.




This definitely would probably be considered, after all the japanese are notorius for always playing that joke where they put pp in your coke. :rimshot:


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