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OfflineVsnares.Zappa
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Re: My theory on how to completely handle the Fukushima Disaster [Re: Not Responding]
    #19153328 - 11/18/13 09:36 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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in all seriousness....

im like 99% sure they have the top guys in the world working on this situation.







Nah bro, nobody has a clue. :loldongs:


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Re: My theory on how to completely handle the Fukushima Disaster [Re: Not Responding]
    #19153364 - 11/18/13 09:47 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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bets on when this thread gets pushed to the conspiracy forum?




12:30 central time.



9:03 pacific.


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Re: My theory on how to completely handle the Fukushima Disaster [Re: ScriabinAnime] * 2
    #19153391 - 11/18/13 09:55 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I’m not trying to be an ass or anything; I just wanted to point out a few flaws with your logic.  It’s great that you’re thinking about this kind of stuff.

Radiation stems from instability in the nucleus of an atom.  Therefore chemical interactions (like metabolism for example) doesn’t affect the rate at which radiation is emitted.  Mushrooms that concentrate radioactive elements would retain them in the fruit body like everyone is saying.

Short of the fact that it would never work to begin with, nuclear fuel is probably the last thing you want to try and colonize with mushrooms.  Nuclear fuel is encapsulate by a highly non corrosive metal alloy, purposefully so because fission products (radioactive elements that are a byproduct of the fission process) are fairly nasty.  Even if urine could break this metal capsule down you would never want it to.  A breached fuel rod throws hundreds if not thousands of fission products into the environment.  Some of which are aerosols and go straight to the atmosphere out of reach of mushrooms forever.

Lastly, even if all of that wasn’t the case, the mushroom mycelium would never be able to survive close enough to a fuel rod to have a chance at metabolizing it.  The radiation levels are sufficiently high to cause enough DNA damage to kill the organism.  Lastly, the mushroom could never absorb enough fuel to become more concentrated with radiation than the fuel itself.  The fuel is already as concentrated as its going to get, your best waiting for it to cool off a bit (by that I mean decrease in activity) and then dispose of it they way we already do in a storage cask.

Mushrooms could be useful in fallout however..  When the release occurred, radioactive fission products were spewed across farm land and mountain ranges, resulting in a widespread dilute dispersion of radioactive elements.  If you could grow something in these areas that would bring the radioactive elements out of the soil and then carry that biomass away you could start to recover the soil in these areas.  Easier said than done however, different radioactive elements interact in a variety of ways in the environment.  For example, Cs-137 (a very common fission product) bonds to clay in soils.  So the likelihood that Cesium will be taken up by a plant or mushroom depends on the soil itself.  It readily liberates from sandy soil, and it is quite hard to separate from clay soils…

More likely what would be required is a multitude of different mushroom and plant secrecies that had an affinity for the different radioactive elements that you wanted to pull from the ground. This would have to be balanced with knowledge about how the soil retains the elements and how the plants or mycelium might break these forces down or over power them.  What we are talking about here is no easy task, think of the massive area of land this would need to be done on.  Not to mention that we lack much of the knowledge needed to do it…


Edited by Irfan (11/18/13 10:03 AM)


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Re: My theory on how to completely handle the Fukushima Disaster [Re: Irfan]
    #19153430 - 11/18/13 10:05 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

you would also have fruiting temperature conditions which could never be met as some isotopes become liquid metal then gas in temperatures just above freezing. the amount of water exchange daily is astronomical. the contained atomic reaction is always supposed to be kicking off hydrogen atoms which are radioactive and known as tritium. this water could be colonized and filtered in tanks using many species of plants, animal, mushroom. as of yet we have no way to filter tritium waste water other than dilution.


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Re: My theory on how to completely handle the Fukushima Disaster [Re: passifloracaerulea] * 1
    #19153466 - 11/18/13 10:16 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You are right, tritium water is very difficult to deal with.  Primarily due to a phenomenon refereed to as hydrogen exchange.  Basically any material that comes in contact with tritium water exchanges hydrogen atoms with it, so eventually the filter or container becomes permanently contaminated with tritium because it has literally worked itself into the chemical makeup of the material...  Glass is good for tritium storage due to its low hydrogen content but its not really possible to utilize glass at the scale needed for fukushima.

A little fun-fact: tritium actually decays to He-3, a stable non radioactive isotope of helium.  Helium-3 is useful, rare, and thus valuable.  If the tritium could be isolated and then left in a tank to decay away to Helium-3, a large portion of the cleanup could be paid for..  Much much easier said than done :wink:


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Re: My theory on how to completely handle the Fukushima Disaster [Re: Vsnares.Zappa]
    #19153490 - 11/18/13 10:22 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Not Responding said:
in all seriousness....

im like 99% sure they have the top guys in the world working on this situation.







Nah bro, nobody has a clue. :loldongs:




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Re: My theory on how to completely handle the Fukushima Disaster [Re: Vsnares.Zappa]
    #19153499 - 11/18/13 10:25 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Not Responding said:
in all seriousness....

im like 99% sure they have the top guys in the world working on this situation.







Nah bro, nobody has a clue. :loldongs:





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Re: My theory on how to completely handle the Fukushima Disaster [Re: ScriabinAnime] * 2
    #19153524 - 11/18/13 10:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

This idea is the mushroom equivalent of stoners who think that hemp is the solution to all of the world's problems.


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Re: My theory on how to completely handle the Fukushima Disaster [Re: Enlil]
    #19153536 - 11/18/13 10:36 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I saw a video that said

basically we get all the old sick dying and suicidal people and let them have at it cleaning the place up

eventually it will be done with and we can all go home


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Re: My theory on how to completely handle the Fukushima Disaster [Re: Konyap]
    #19153538 - 11/18/13 10:37 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Right, because the old, sick, dying, and suicidal people are EXACTLY the kind of people we want handling an extremely delicate and dangerous task that has the potential to cause widespread harm to millions of people.


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Re: My theory on how to completely handle the Fukushima Disaster [Re: Enlil]
    #19153559 - 11/18/13 10:47 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

if left unchecked yea...


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Re: My theory on how to completely handle the Fukushima Disaster [Re: Konyap]
    #19153564 - 11/18/13 10:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

they'd basically go in and dig

nothing your average high schooler couldn't handle


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Re: My theory on how to completely handle the Fukushima Disaster [Re: ScriabinAnime]
    #19153565 - 11/18/13 10:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Don't ask me how I got my thoughts, they just are what they are.




Yeah: moronic. Sorry for being blunt like this, but you are either joking or just extremely ill-informed. Either way: dream on.


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Re: My theory on how to completely handle the Fukushima Disaster [Re: koraks] * 1
    #19153602 - 11/18/13 10:59 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

IMO we should build more reactors on the coasts near massive fault lines...sounds like a good idea to me.


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Re: My theory on how to completely handle the Fukushima Disaster [Re: Konyap]
    #19153631 - 11/18/13 11:10 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I see, so you think the fukushima reactors need only people with shovels to solve the problem.

Maybe you need to familiarize yourself with what needs to happen there before you start talking out of your ass.


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Re: My theory on how to completely handle the Fukushima Disaster [Re: Enlil]
    #19153648 - 11/18/13 11:14 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

from my understanding it was a crisis


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Re: My theory on how to completely handle the Fukushima Disaster [Re: ScriabinAnime]
    #19153664 - 11/18/13 11:21 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

They have people a lot smarter than you and I trying to figure out solutions, I mean other than being aware of it what is the point of trying to theorize solutions to something when you have 1000x less understanding of than the experts?


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Re: My theory on how to completely handle the Fukushima Disaster [Re: NotTheDevil]
    #19153691 - 11/18/13 11:29 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

4. the whole point of everything is how to make them exist. And not just after-fallout mushrooms, I mean radiating mushrooms. The radiation is used as energy for a mushrooms existence, and the total radiation drops with each mushroom


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Re: My theory on how to completely handle the Fukushima Disaster [Re: ScriabinAnime]
    #19153704 - 11/18/13 11:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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4. the whole point of everything is how to make them exist. And not just after-fallout mushrooms, I mean radiating mushrooms. The radiation is used as energy for a mushrooms existence, and the total radiation drops with each mushroom




Not possible.  Mushrooms could only potentially move radioactive elements around, they cannot harness the energy of ionizing radiation.


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Re: My theory on how to completely handle the Fukushima Disaster [Re: ScriabinAnime]
    #19153761 - 11/18/13 11:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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4. the whole point of everything is how to make them exist. And not just after-fallout mushrooms, I mean radiating mushrooms. The radiation is used as energy for a mushrooms existence, and the total radiation drops with each mushroom



No. Just stating nonsense repeatedly doesn't make it any more true. Get your head out of your ass already or just stop talking.


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