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Meditation Theory 2
#19152637 - 11/18/13 12:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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For a long time I read, studied, watched videos and attempted to understand the whole of meditation and what it meant, what it benefited and how it worked. I did all this before ever making an attempt, and when I finally attempted to plumb the depths of my soul I was confronted by my own mind. It certainly got in the way, as I'm sure everyone who has tried to meditate quickly realized. The human mind was quite a foe, and even after months of trying 1-2x/day I continually came up empty; not angry or impatient, just empty. I honestly just began to stray away from trying, I couldn't silence my mind or stop it from wandering aimlessly.
To understand the next part you have to understand that I am a photographer, and just an irregular person in general. One cool night I drove out to a forest, drove deep, I wanted to escape any trace of humanity. Mainly to get away from the 'light-pollution' which is rather detrimental when doing astrophotography or night photography.
And there I was, alone, 11pm, sitting in a clearing surrounded by towering trees and vivid stars. Tripod and camera in front of me lit by the cold florescence of the moon. After taking a few photos I just stopped to relax and take in the atmosphere. I listened to the ambient noise of a living forest, the crickets, the cicada, the gentle fluttering of wings. I began to recognize patterns, the cricket over there was communicating with the cricket behind me, one would chirp 2 chirps, then they'd move closer to each other, they wanted to find each other. I recognized each crickets unique voice, such subtle variations but so profoundly beautiful, I noticed that I could tune into the conversations of multiple pairs of insects and in this moment there was a strange tingling over my head and body which was abnormally pleasurable and euphoric but most importantly it was.. familiar, embracing, one. I didn't want it to stop so I just remained still and observed the crickets until even the crickets faded from my consciousness. When I finally lifted my head and opened my eyes, everything was different. I was different in the same way the butterfly is different from the caterpillar, my dreams were different; they were deeper, my outlook was different; it was positive, everything is fine-- holy shit.. everything IS fine. I just cried for awhile, I cried for myself who was so materialistic and complicit in this ridiculous illusion. I cried because of everyone who had not had this moment, I cried of beauty and of understanding. And I owe it all to the crickets.
This is where my concise theory on the meditation, the humans mental, physical, and spiritual regression, and all that's wrong with the world, began:
1) Anyone who has had the transcendental meditation experience I've had could not be deeply egotistical, shallow, greedy, manipulative, full of hate, or sucked into an organized religion or doctrine. One who has had this experience is united, and full of unity. Positive, healthy, and compassionate.
2) I now theorize that the day the first human built a structure to block him from the nature outside, was the day all the problems we're dealing with today, began. As native inhabitants of the Amazon jungle and other native tribes all have said (according to first hand accounts of language professors, and Terrence McKenna) us, the modern people, have "lost touch with the great spirit". We are called "twisted heads" by the natives. This leads to my final conclusion.
3) Meditation, in times and places where human beings lived in nature, was not a task or an effort, it was an inherent inevitability of life in nature. These people don't meditate, they simply don't have all the stress, worries or mental hurry we have, when they sit around a fire at night or just take a break to relax, they connect with the unified consciousness automatically.
Your roof blocks the stars, your walls block the crickets, the breeze, the trees. I know structures are necessary to block bad weather or predators, but I want to emphasize on the fact that we need to get outside more, get outside of the house, and outside of this human mind.
SUMMARY OF RESEARCH FINDINGS ON TRANSCENDENTAL MEDITATION
provides a deep physiological state of rest is more effective than relaxation techniques increases energy lowers blood pressure and cholesterol levels reduces atherosclerosis - hardening of the arteries increases happiness and improves relationships reduces stress and anxiety - decreases stress hormones improves marital happiness improves sleeping reduces the symptoms of asthma increases creativity and intelligence (IQ) gives broader comprehension and improved ability to focus improves perception and memory improves students' learning skills and intellectual performance increases orderliness of brain functioning increases Self-Actualisation and Self-Concept reduces the use of cigarettes, alcohol and non-prescription drugsimproves general psychological health and well-being lowers healthcare costs results in more positive health habits increases life span and reduces effects of ageing increases levels of DHEA - a hormone described as the elixir of life improves job performance (productivity) and job satisfaction improves relationships at work improves health in the work place helps in the treatment of traumatic stress is effective in the rehabilitation of prisoners improves quality of life in society decreases Violent Fatalities group practice of TM decreases crime rates
The flawless tie-in provided through Quantum Physics
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Re: Meditation Theory [Re: Tmethyl]
#19152660 - 11/18/13 01:12 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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the power of now
Eckhart tolle ken kesey and Neale Donald Walsche
*practices zazen*
nothing exists
nonconformity
cows exist motherfucker...OKAY??
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Re: Meditation Theory [Re: Yesod] 1
#19153680 - 11/18/13 11:26 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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When I started attending a Zen temple, and was taught Zazen (The form of meditation there), I was told not to worry about the thoughts. The teacher who taught me said, "Thoughts are going to come up. Just don't try to feed them. This distraction is part of your practice, to sit there and fully grok what's going on in life, and part of life is thoughts."
He also said that, after 30 years of meditating, he still thinks about picking up some milk on the way home from meditation later on.
I think it was in a Brad Warner book, but he said that why do we think there are these statues of people who meditated a lot? He said that a statue of Buddha, Dogen, or Nagarjuna wasn't erected because these guys sat down one day and all of a sudden stopped their minds, and were enlightened. It was because they dedicated years and years of effort and hard to work to try and perfect the art of meditation. They were dedicated to it and tried really hard day in and day out.
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Re: Meditation Theory [Re: Tmethyl]
#19155959 - 11/18/13 06:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Tmethyl said: group practice of TM decreases crime rates
It's precisely claptrap like that that turned me away from TM. That and the "levitating" nonsense.
Maybe if the criminals meditated instead of stealing cars and mugging people, crime would go down. But the idea that TM'ers somehow send out magical "vibes" that decrease crime in an area is ludicrous beyond words. Magical hocus-pocus nonsense.
All forms of meditation can be useful for people looking for peace, stability, understanding, etc. TM introduced absolutely nothing new in this arena. People have been meditating using mantras and the like for thousands and thousands of years.
All the TM hype is merely another sophisticated and highly-organized effort to get vulnerable people to hand over their cash.
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The problem arises when you "tried" to get certain result from meditation, but when you were in the nature and forgotten to "pursue" certain result from meditation, naturally it's easier to get into a meditative state. It makes a lot of sense to what had happened to you.
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Re: Meditation Theory [Re: incubis]
#19156768 - 11/18/13 08:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nothing that I didn't realize on a hit or few of acid. Meditation is eh.
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Re: Meditation Theory [Re: Tmethyl]
#19156978 - 11/18/13 09:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Your list of results from meditation seems skewed towards only the positive--meditation can also result in increased risk of psychosis, schizophrenia, and depersonalization/derealization. That being said, I'd venture that most of us in the busy Western culture would tend to benefit from incorporating five minutes or so of the practice into our daily lives.
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Re: Meditation Theory [Re: deCypher]
#19158324 - 11/19/13 04:59 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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This is where my concise theory on the meditation, the humans mental, physical, and spiritual regression, and all that's wrong with the world, began:
1) Anyone who has had the transcendental meditation experience I've had could not be deeply egotistical, shallow, greedy, manipulative, full of hate, or sucked into an organized religion or doctrine. One who has had this experience is united, and full of unity. Positive, healthy, and compassionate.
Well I haven't had the precise experience you've had obviously but I have had many transcendent experiences in deep meditation and these experience lead to join an organized religion, which has been tremendously helpful in adding structure discipline, guidance and beauty to my spiritual practice. My theory is actually the opposite of yours, which is to say that I believe anyone who has truly experienced God, or the love-bliss that forms of the bases of the universe, cannot help but love all religions, because even something as crazy as mornonism is still far closer to spiritual truth than atheism. All expressions of the truth become lovable in this ignorant world when you progress in meditation and you develop a great respect for those people who went before you on this path, the vast majority of which did so with the help of organized religion. What could be more joyful than coming together with a group of people to celebrate the glory of the creator every Sunday? Maybe church isn't for you, but to categorically state that anoyne who has had a certain meditation experience cannot be a member of organized religion sounds utterly absurd from my perspective.
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2) I now theorize that the day the first human built a structure to block him from the nature outside, was the day all the problems we're dealing with today, began. As native inhabitants of the Amazon jungle and other native tribes all have said (according to first hand accounts of language professors, and Terrence McKenna) us, the modern people, have "lost touch with the great spirit". We are called "twisted heads" by the natives. This leads to my final conclusion.
rousseau and the state of nature theory. This is an interesting theory but it is incorrect. It is certainly true that we have lost touch with the great spirit but to assume that all ancient peoples were living a garden of eden type existence is completely out of touch. They had problems back then too, there were bad people, warfare, selfishness, sickness, disease, cruelty, exploitation and murder back then too. Its true that people were more in tune with nature back then and there is a certain spirituality that goes along with that as you have very adeptly noticed. However, to quote the Indian Saint Ramana Maharshi "realized man may act live savage man, but savage man is not realized man". Mankinds problems stem from when he began to see himself as separate from his brothers, not when he began to see himself as separate from nature. Man's separation from the great spirit happened before he became separated from nature. If he had not already separated himself from the Spirit, he would not have separated himself from nature, at least not in a way that is unsustainable and destructive toward nature.
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3) Meditation, in times and places where human beings lived in nature, was not a task or an effort, it was an inherent inevitability of life in nature. These people don't meditate, they simply don't have all the stress, worries or mental hurry we have, when they sit around a fire at night or just take a break to relax, they connect with the unified consciousness automatically.
Your roof blocks the stars, your walls block the crickets, the breeze, the trees. I know structures are necessary to block bad weather or predators, but I want to emphasize on the fact that we need to get outside more, get outside of the house, and outside of this human mind.
I think you have a very idealistic view of life before civilzation. I do agree that living close to nature induces a meditative state in one mind's, whereas our cutlure is absolutely toxic to our spirits. However, I refuse to believe that everyone was so enlightened back then and thens omeone built a house and everything went to hell. In my view, it was the stress and hardships of life that lead people to try to invent technologies that would make it easier, not knowing of course that it would eventually lead to a spiritual decline.
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Re: Meditation Theory [Re: deCypher]
#19158379 - 11/19/13 05:50 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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As someone who does TM still (about ten minutes once a day) I take those studies with a grain of salt. They were mostly done by Keith Wallace who also was chancellor of Maharishi University in the 70s. The results in the voluminous tomes are in fact all positive which should itself tell anyone it's just a sales tool.
It is because of my experiences in the Tm Movement that I learned that science and spirituality don't coexist. Any spirituality which has science as part of its proofs has in essence merely added science to its mythology. Even were the science aspect true, there would someday be a paradigm shift and then the whole religion would have to change, and of course they wouldn't so then we would have just another specious mythos.
Some changes that occur during any meditation could probably be predicted such as decrease in respiration, decrease in CO2... and so on... but those can't be used to predict the final outcome of meditation. As said above some people do not do well with meditation in: Borderline personalities, very goal oriented individuals, there's a list, I don't have it.
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Re: Meditation Theory [Re: r72rock]
#19158401 - 11/19/13 06:12 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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r72rock said: When I started attending a Zen temple, and was taught Zazen (The form of meditation there), I was told not to worry about the thoughts. The teacher who taught me said, "Thoughts are going to come up. Just don't try to feed them. This distraction is part of your practice, to sit there and fully grok what's going on in life, and part of life is thoughts."
He also said that, after 30 years of meditating, he still thinks about picking up some milk on the way home from meditation later on.
I think it was in a Brad Warner book, but he said that why do we think there are these statues of people who meditated a lot? He said that a statue of Buddha, Dogen, or Nagarjuna wasn't erected because these guys sat down one day and all of a sudden stopped their minds, and were enlightened. It was because they dedicated years and years of effort and hard to work to try and perfect the art of meditation. They were dedicated to it and tried really hard day in and day out.
I really think that is the key. I got myself into all sorts of troubles when I tried to silence my mind, some which still persist today. Bad meditation practice can be quite bad for your mental health. You end up entering into a battle, which is the complete opposite of what you are striving for.
When I started allowing the thoughts to be, that's when actual peace started to come. Knowing that you can think anything and that it doesn't matter, that is true liberation right there. As long as you don't believe what you think, the thoughts just pass on by.
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The notion of stopping thought as meditation is very bad. If you do dull your mind by stopping thought you will have a hard time starting it again. Time enough for no thought when you're dead.
Real meditation is to allow the silence within thought to be expressed. To hear the pause between notes of a song (in your mind). To expand awareness.
Other than that there is absolutely no point to meditation. Meditation isn't a sport with a goal. There are shitty meditation techniques, shitty meditation teachers. Whole groups of people who meditate who have no fucking idea what they're doing. They smile like dull apes and act like they are doing something important. But those meditations for stopping thinking are not the road to expanded awareness.
The yoga term for meditation is 'dhayana' which means to hold a focus and then expand it. Dhyana has three parts - knower, known, and object of knowledge.
Meditation is when those three become one. That oneness is samadhi.
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PocketLady said: When I started allowing the thoughts to be, that's when actual peace started to come. Knowing that you can think anything and that it doesn't matter, that is true liberation right there.
Yes.
The Philosophical Daoists describe two ways of thinking and of experiencing the world: one, through your desires, your longings -- and the other way through a state of "desireless-ness."
(The Buddhists came along and turned the "desireless-ness" part into a focal part of their philosophy, but the Daoists had "invented" the idea earlier.)
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PocketLady said: As long as you don't believe what you think, the thoughts just pass on by.
Some say that if you master the two ways of perceiving described above, then you don't have to "disbelieve" or "abandon" any of your thoughts.
You possess a dual consciousness through which, in the same moment, you are able to both believe and to not believe.
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Re: Meditation Theory [Re: deCypher]
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deCypher said: Your list of results from meditation seems skewed towards only the positive--meditation can also result in increased risk of psychosis, schizophrenia, and depersonalization/derealization. That being said, I'd venture that most of us in the busy Western culture would tend to benefit from incorporating five minutes or so of the practice into our daily lives.
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Re: Meditation Theory [Re: Oliveaux]
#19164675 - 11/20/13 11:23 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Intensive meditation practices do have risks. ... most handle these states perfectly well. But the risks are there; people have suffered very serious breakdowns as a result of intensive meditation.
http://primejunta.blogspot.com/2010/08/more-on-mental-health-meditation-and.html
You can google risks of meditation as well and a slew of results pop up. It seems the dangers tend to happen with certain forms of meditative practice over others; Kundalini yoga in particular seems riskiest.
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Re: Meditation Theory [Re: GreySatyr]
#19166464 - 11/20/13 05:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thank you all for taking the time to reply, share your knowledge, and opinions. Though some of you are clearly condescending, I still value your input. 
I was not succinct, which was my original intention, and I am not very articulate, but I'll try to make a more relatable and concise version of my theory: Life in nature has inherent benefits, one of which is ease of meditation. It happens naturally, even when you're not trying, such as when sitting around a fire or listening to crickets. Of course this would not happen during a short camping trip, but after a few weeks in complete abandonment of modern society, a certain understanding, peace, well-being, and contentment manifest. It is something far more profound than simply reconnecting with nature, it is a reconnecting with the universe, THE consciousness. I experience this time to time when hiking, but my most profound experience was on a 3wk 'survival' trip. I think that people living long ago harnessed an energy that has been long lost, possibly even certain brain capabilities, Terrence McKenna touches on this a bit.
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Deviate said: It is certainly true that we have lost touch with the great spirit but to assume that all ancient peoples were living a garden of eden type existence is completely out of touch. They had problems back then too, there were bad people, warfare, selfishness, sickness, disease, cruelty, exploitation and murder back then too.
You've made an incorrect assumption. I'll elaborate. The 'ancient' people you speak of definitely had wars and all our modern problems, and these things can be proven through fossil data and texts, hieroglyphs, etc, even as far back as Sumeria. But this is not at all what my theory is referring too, even Sumerians lived in structures, had a society, and the like, they were already out of touch with nature. Fact is the people my theory represents had no written language, no society, no buildings. This makes them and their state-of-mind, their spirituality and their tendencies(war, greed, violence, etc) completely untraceable, thus making your above statement a false broad-generalization. We know NOTHING about people who lived in nature before the time of buildings and loss of nature, there is no way to know, and never will be; they left nothing behind but their bones.
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Tmethyl said: group practice of TM decreases crime rates
It's precisely claptrap like that that turned me away from TM. Maybe if the criminals meditated instead of stealing cars and mugging people, crime would go down. But the idea that TM'ers somehow send out magical "vibes" that decrease crime in an area is ludicrous beyond words. Magical hocus-pocus nonsense.
It's not claptrap, and it ties in perfectly with quantum physics. You're simply viewing your world through a narrow scope. A two-month national demonstration project conducted in Washington, D.C., showed how a coherence-creating group of TM-Sidhas can reduce crime and social stress and improve the effectiveness of government.
This was a carefully controlled scientific demonstration carried out between June 7 and July 30, 1993. The study involved a coherence group of TM-Sidhas who increased in number from 800 to a maximum of 4,000 over the trial.
 TM crime prevention project in Washington showed a maximum 23.6% drop in violent crime. Before the project the Chief of Police had exclaimed that the only thing that would create a 20% drop in crime would be 20 inches of snow. The TM crime prevention project took place during blistering summer weather Before the project, violent crime had been steadily increasing during the first five months of the year.
A week or so after the start of the study, violent crime (HRA crime: Homicides, rapes and aggravated assaults, measured by FBI Uniform Crime Statistics) began decreasing and continued to drop until the end of the experiment.
The statistical probability that this result could reflect chance variation in crime levels was less than 2 in 1 billion (p < .000000002). And allow me to remind you, this is just one study, of many, all with consistent data.
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GreyMorph said: Nothing that I didn't realize on a hit or few of acid. Meditation is eh.
I made this same conclusion in my infancy, except I tried DMT, shrooms, and LSD. Now I have to completely disagree with you. Psychedelics certainly are a shortcut though, don't know where I'd be without my shrooms.
Lastly, I think even Buddhism are poor representations of meditation, though I've studied Budhism intensely, I do not subscribe to any religion. I see all religions as creations of man, not god. I wholeheartedly believe that God is consciousness.
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Re: Meditation Theory [Re: Tmethyl]
#19166873 - 11/20/13 06:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I now theorize that the day the first human built a structure to block him from the nature outside, was the day all the problems we're dealing with today, began. As native inhabitants of the Amazon jungle and other native tribes all have said (according to first hand accounts of language professors, and Terrence McKenna) us, the modern people, have "lost touch with the great spirit". We are called "twisted heads" by the natives. This leads to my final conclusion.
Then why do they also fight, kill and torture each other?
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Re: Meditation Theory [Re: Tmethyl]
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Tmethyl said: Thank you all for taking the time to reply, share your knowledge, and opinions. Though some of you are clearly condescending, I still value your input. 
I was not succinct, which was my original intention, and I am not very articulate, but I'll try to make a more relatable and concise version of my theory: Life in nature has inherent benefits, one of which is ease of meditation. It happens naturally, even when you're not trying, such as when sitting around a fire or listening to crickets. Of course this would not happen during a short camping trip, but after a few weeks in complete abandonment of modern society, a certain understanding, peace, well-being, and contentment manifest. It is something far more profound than simply reconnecting with nature, it is a reconnecting with the universe, THE consciousness. I experience this time to time when hiking, but my most profound experience was on a 3wk 'survival' trip. I think that people living long ago harnessed an energy that has been long lost, possibly even certain brain capabilities, Terrence McKenna touches on this a bit.
You've made an incorrect assumption. I'll elaborate. The 'ancient' people you speak of definitely had wars and all our modern problems, and these things can be proven through fossil data and texts, hieroglyphs, etc, even as far back as Sumeria. But this is not at all what my theory is referring too, even Sumerians lived in structures, had a society, and the like, they were already out of touch with nature. Fact is the people my theory represents had no written language, no society, no buildings. This makes them and their state-of-mind, their spirituality and their tendencies(war, greed, violence, etc) completely untraceable, thus making your above statement a false broad-generalization. We know NOTHING about people who lived in nature before the time of buildings and loss of nature, there is no way to know, and never will be; they left nothing behind but their bones.
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Tmethyl said: group practice of TM decreases crime rates
It's precisely claptrap like that that turned me away from TM. Maybe if the criminals meditated instead of stealing cars and mugging people, crime would go down. But the idea that TM'ers somehow send out magical "vibes" that decrease crime in an area is ludicrous beyond words. Magical hocus-pocus nonsense.
It's not claptrap, and it ties in perfectly with quantum physics. You're simply viewing your world through a narrow scope. A two-month national demonstration project conducted in Washington, D.C., showed how a coherence-creating group of TM-Sidhas can reduce crime and social stress and improve the effectiveness of government.
This was a carefully controlled scientific demonstration carried out between June 7 and July 30, 1993. The study involved a coherence group of TM-Sidhas who increased in number from 800 to a maximum of 4,000 over the trial.
 TM crime prevention project in Washington showed a maximum 23.6% drop in violent crime. Before the project the Chief of Police had exclaimed that the only thing that would create a 20% drop in crime would be 20 inches of snow. The TM crime prevention project took place during blistering summer weather Before the project, violent crime had been steadily increasing during the first five months of the year.
A week or so after the start of the study, violent crime (HRA crime: Homicides, rapes and aggravated assaults, measured by FBI Uniform Crime Statistics) began decreasing and continued to drop until the end of the experiment.
The statistical probability that this result could reflect chance variation in crime levels was less than 2 in 1 billion (p < .000000002). And allow me to remind you, this is just one study, of many, all with consistent data.
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GreyMorph said: Nothing that I didn't realize on a hit or few of acid. Meditation is eh.
I made this same conclusion in my infancy, except I tried DMT, shrooms, and LSD. Now I have to completely disagree with you. Psychedelics certainly are a shortcut though, don't know where I'd be without my shrooms.
Lastly, I think even Buddhism are poor representations of meditation, though I've studied Budhism intensely, I do not subscribe to any religion. I see all religions as creations of man, not god. I wholeheartedly believe that God is consciousness.
I was part 0f that TM group. at the TM Capitol there. It was the last big group they had.
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Re: Meditation Theory [Re: eve69]
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I'm posting here to remind myself to come back to this.
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