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Re: Are you guys seeing this weather report?? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19152408 - 11/17/13 11:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Man akira, you're real fucking butthurt.  Needless to say, you haven't provided a single source of your butthurt information.


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Re: Are you guys seeing this weather report?? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #19152413 - 11/17/13 11:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

now, that wasn't so hard.


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Re: Are you guys seeing this weather report?? [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19152415 - 11/17/13 11:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

This is a pretty epic weather related thread we got going on here.


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Re: Are you guys seeing this weather report?? [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19152420 - 11/17/13 11:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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starfire_xes said:
And your qualifications are?  I told you, the people making a claim are the ones that have to prove it. 

Well, we're not the ones making the claim, we're just going by the thousands of studies that corroborate our position.

Yes, I was around in 1972 when some of the same people making the current global climate change arguments were insisting that the world was heading into an ice age. 

What a played out myth, you can do better than this.

If they could be so wrong about that.......why should we put blind faith in their judgement?

Why do you have blind faith in climate-change denial?




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Re: Are you guys seeing this weather report?? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19152422 - 11/17/13 11:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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now, that wasn't so hard.




If I seem personally invested in this argument, it's because I love my native Oak-Town and surrounding Bay Area and my home will be underwater before long if the melting of the icecaps due to global warming and saturation of the atmosphere with soot continues at its current pace. This is already happening to the Maldives. This is not some apocalyptic doomsday scenario, it's shit that is actually happening, right now, today, all around us. It is possible to stop or to mitigate it and I'm in favor of that.

:sorry:


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Re: Are you guys seeing this weather report?? [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19152429 - 11/17/13 11:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Man akira, you're real fucking butthurt.  Needless to say, you haven't provided a single source of your butthurt information.



ok, sure dude. i haven't made any claims about having any evidence or even any information. :shrug:

i think it's still better to be uninformed, then to be a self-righteous twit claiming that people must be stupid because they don't follow your proclivities or your career path.

put up, or shut up. i've put up. maybe not in terms of scientific inquiry, because as interesting as science is; i am not a scientist. i still understand the concept of the scientific method, and a part of it is providing evidence to hypothesis on certain inquiries. to do that, you need to formulate a hypothesis on statistical analysis of said inquiry, and then test said hypothesis.

you aren't doing that, Mushdick.


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Re: Are you guys seeing this weather report?? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #19152437 - 11/17/13 11:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
now, that wasn't so hard.




If I seem personally invested in this argument, it's because I love my native Oak-Town and surrounding Bay Area and my home will be underwater before long if the melting of the icecaps due to global warming and saturation of the atmosphere with soot continues at its current pace. This is already happening to the Maldives. This is not some apocalyptic doomsday scenario, it's shit that is actually happening, right now, today, all around us. It is possible to stop or to mitigate it and I'm in favor of that.

:sorry:



you're right it isn't an apocalyptic doomsday scenario, and not everyone has to care bout LA. not in Africa, Europe, the rest of the US, nobody... has to care. you can though, and you can be as stubborn as you want about it. in fact, it'd be encouraged... only you can't just tell people that "you're right and their wrong" by-proxy from having someone else try and iterate your point, and having them become berated or consumed by the notion of their rightness.(and by that notion, also YOUR rightness)


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Re: Are you guys seeing this weather report?? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19152449 - 11/17/13 11:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I'm not talking about LA, not specifically at least. I'm talking about my own home being flooded permanently within my lifetime.

I wouldn't be the only one, either. Pretty much any low-level coastal area will be flooded. This constitutes most of the edges of pretty much every continent. Ice caps melt, sea levels go up. Liquid water also expands with heat, y'know, and is warming along with the atmosphere. Many people here in the Bay Area live in denial of it too. Who knows, maybe they deserve to have their homes destroyed. But it is quite spectacularly callous of you to treat the destruction of my cradle and home as nothing anybody should care about right to my face.


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Re: Are you guys seeing this weather report?? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19152451 - 11/17/13 11:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
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BlindSophist said:
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akira_akuma said:
now, that wasn't so hard.




If I seem personally invested in this argument, it's because I love my native Oak-Town and surrounding Bay Area and my home will be underwater before long if the melting of the icecaps due to global warming and saturation of the atmosphere with soot continues at its current pace. This is already happening to the Maldives. This is not some apocalyptic doomsday scenario, it's shit that is actually happening, right now, today, all around us. It is possible to stop or to mitigate it and I'm in favor of that.

:sorry:



you're right it isn't an apocalyptic doomsday scenario, and not everyone has to care bout LA. not in Africa, Europe, the rest of the US, nobody... has to care. you can though, and you can be as stubborn as you want about it. in fact, it'd be encouraged... only you can't just tell people that "you're right and their wrong" by-proxy from having someone else try and iterate your point, and having them become berated or consumed by the notion of their rightness.(and by that notion, also YOUR rightness)





It is true that short term coastal flooding is not a doomsday scenario.  People can move inland... hell, none of the ramifications of global warming are what I would call "doomsday".  None of them result in a Mad Max scenario or flesh eating zombies; but that doesn't mean they won't be dire as fuck and require massive amounts of investment and infrastructure changes to deal with.

You know, I have been down this pattern of thought before, and I don't even know why I am even so invested in this thread; after all, even if the USA stopped using 100% of fossil fuels TODAY, it would make absolutely no difference in the final outcome. China and other developing nations would just pick up the slack.  Every drop of economically recoverable oil/gas on this planet WILL be recovered and will be used at this point, either by us or someone else.  Preventing global climate change is no longer an option... now the only thing we can do is fucking deal with the ramifications of our shortsightedness.


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Re: Are you guys seeing this weather report?? [Re: Schmendrick]
    #19152463 - 11/17/13 11:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I hold out hope that if enough people are aware of the dangers, more people will do something about it and make efforts to reduce their emissions or to find alternative sources of energy. Or maybe I'm just a :tard:


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Re: Are you guys seeing this weather report?? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #19152466 - 11/17/13 11:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

sorry, but it's hard fact. nobody has to care. i, however, do care. i feel sympathy for you and whoever gets effected by such horrible catastrophes happening around the world. (ie Philippines.)

i was making a point... the fact that people don't have to care, is rather crass, but just because i said so, and because many people won't care, doesn't mean it's got to necessarily be the case. people can choose to care, and people will; because it's what's right to them.

but the fact is, that even if you're right beyond a shadow of a doubt, you can't just berate people's opinions, (as daft as they are) because you have some wingmen saying what you're saying. hell, even without the wingman, but the wingman makes our presuppositions towards one another much less evident; creating stupid arguments about non-issues.

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Preventing global climate change is no longer an option... now the only thing we can do is fucking deal with the ramifications of our shortsightedness.




:sad: which is sad, and shitty. but unfortunately not untrue.


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Re: Are you guys seeing this weather report?? [Re: Schmendrick]
    #19152474 - 11/17/13 11:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

So, lets say the temperature in the atmosphere is increasing.  Then there would be an increase in carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, as well as other gases. 

It doesn't matter what the cause of the temperature increase was.  It could be man made or natural.


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Re: Are you guys seeing this weather report?? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19152479 - 11/17/13 11:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Sure I can berate their opinions. I would defend my home with my life, but I'm setting the stakes much lower by making deprecating implications about the intelligence of people who deny reality out of myopia, arrogance or apathy.


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Re: Are you guys seeing this weather report?? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #19152488 - 11/17/13 11:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

sure you can berate their positions, but it'd be a futile attempt to soothe your ego; rather then an attempt to influence anybody. which isn't very realistic now... is it...


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Re: Are you guys seeing this weather report?? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19152490 - 11/17/13 11:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
sorry, but it's hard fact. nobody has to care. i, however, do care. i feel sympathy for you and whoever gets effected by such horrible catastrophes happening around the world. (ie Philippines.)

i was making a point... the fact that people don't have to care, is rather crass, but just because i said so, and because many people won't care, doesn't mean it's got to necessarily be the case. people can choose to care, and people will; because it's what's right to them.

but the fact is, that even if you're right beyond a shadow of a doubt, you can't just berate people's opinions, (as daft as they are) because you have some wingmen saying what you're saying. hell, even without the wingman, but the wingman makes our presuppositions towards one another much less evident; creating stupid arguments about non-issues.

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Preventing global climate change is no longer an option... now the only thing we can do is fucking deal with the ramifications of our shortsightedness.




:sad: which is sad, and shitty. but unfortunately not untrue.




Regarding wingmen - if you are talking to me here, I give no two shits about who does or does not agree with me in any given argument.  I make my positions clear, and sometimes check what others are saying, but I do not feed off their input or develop any kind of buddy-buddy relationship in order to pick on other people.  If you felt as if I was conspiring to pick on you or others, I am sorry you felt that way.

Regarding sad - yes, it is sad indeed, and future generations will villify us for our crimes against this planet.  I only hope they can learn something from our mistakes (provided they survive them).


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Re: Are you guys seeing this weather report?? [Re: Schmendrick]
    #19152498 - 11/17/13 11:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

not you. you weren't playing wingman.

i'm not going to name names. but no, not you.

plus, no one is TRYIN to be this wingman... it just happens, when ideologically you're in tune with someone else, and if one is bashing someone, the other will most certainly follow, just out of the instance of trying to make a stronger point.


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Re: Are you guys seeing this weather report?? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19152499 - 11/17/13 11:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
sure you can berate their positions, but it'd be a futile attempt to soothe your ego; rather then an attempt to influence anybody. which isn't very realistic now... is it...




I've influenced many people, in ways that have been tangible and unambiguous. Sometimes they even thank me for it. I don't see why I should stop now, just because akira_akuma seems to think people's attitudes and opinions are set in stone, or somehow sacrosanct in spite of being mistaken. Sometimes it even works to be mean: I've been improved by people who have been less than kind to me and vice-versa.


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Re: Are you guys seeing this weather report?? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #19152512 - 11/18/13 12:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

well, if you see berating people as way of influencing people; then that's your prerogative.

it might work for you. unfortunately, with that territory comes predicating your presuppositions, based on faulty assumptions, as a platform to change.

which is fine and dandy. only it comes with bullshit along with it.


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Re: Are you guys seeing this weather report?? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19152520 - 11/18/13 12:05 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

We're getting awfully nebulous here. Let's start talking about storms again.

http://www.weather.com/video/praying-through-the-tornado-41290


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Re: Are you guys seeing this weather report?? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #19152525 - 11/18/13 12:06 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

well, praying after the fact... that's gotta work!


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