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First monotub, should I fruit now?
    #19152018 - 11/17/13 09:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Hey guys, I'm doing my first monotubs and I seem to have some pins coming up super early. I'm not sure if I should introduce it to fruiting conditions or if I should let it colonize more. It's only been colonizing for 15 days and doesn't seem to be fully colonized on top even though I have pins coming up everywhere. I have also posted pics of the 2nd monotub I did 3 days after which seems to be colonizing better than the first, but no pins yet. PS if you're wondering about the colored plastic things in there, I was following a tek I found hypothesizing better pinning with mini trenches in the substrate, though I couldn't find the link for this post.

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So tell me what you think. Should I introduce fruiting conditions for the first tub?


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Re: First monotub, should I fruit now? [Re: Mysterycandi]
    #19152056 - 11/17/13 09:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

im no expert but

i'd fruit that


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Re: First monotub, should I fruit now? [Re: JohnnyTripsAlot]
    #19152092 - 11/17/13 09:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

those arent pins, those are fruiting mushrooms. have you been taking the lid off a lot?


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Re: First monotub, should I fruit now? [Re: poopy mcpooperson]
    #19152110 - 11/17/13 10:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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those arent pins, those are fruiting mushrooms. have you been taking the lid off a lot?



I have not taken the lid off once. I know that's just inviting contamination. I suppose you're right it's gone past the point of pins. I really knew that, but was hopeful that it might not have gotten to that point.


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Re: First monotub, should I fruit now? [Re: Mysterycandi]
    #19152168 - 11/17/13 10:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

fruit it.. next time make sure there are no holes in your tub and make sure your coir is at max field capacity and you should be fine.


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Re: First monotub, should I fruit now? [Re: silverstem]
    #19152231 - 11/17/13 10:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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fruit it.. next time make sure there are no holes in your tub and make sure your coir is at max field capacity and you should be fine.



there are no holes in the tub, and I'm pretty sure the substrate was at max field capacity. I just can't figure out why this happened. Fucking weird if you ask me


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Re: First monotub, should I fruit now? [Re: Mysterycandi]
    #19152244 - 11/17/13 10:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

evaporation is a pinning trigger if your coir is dry to start off with all the humidity its causing could dry it out more.


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Re: First monotub, should I fruit now? [Re: Mysterycandi]
    #19152286 - 11/17/13 10:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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poopy mcpooperson said:
those arent pins, those are fruiting mushrooms. have you been taking the lid off a lot?



I have not taken the lid off once. I know that's just inviting contamination.



You spawned the tub in open air right?

Kinda silly to worry about contams now.....

Fully colonized spawn, as well as pasteurized bulk substrate material, is contam resistant.

Opening the top to check them is not going to inadvertently trigger fruiting.....regardless of what people say here.

The substrate will fruit when it is fully colonized, or when it gets contaminated and tries to fruit as a last ditch effort before it dies....

Other than that, the substrate should fully colonize before it fruits...even if a little FAE was introduced....


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Re: First monotub, should I fruit now? [Re: silverstem]
    #19152292 - 11/17/13 10:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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if your coir is dry to start off with all the humidity its causing could dry it out more.



Please elaborate.....because that makes no sense at all to me.


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Re: First monotub, should I fruit now? [Re: PussyFart]
    #19152313 - 11/17/13 10:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

well people keep repeating. evaporation is a pinning trigger... think about it. moisture evaporating from the sub to the air in the tub is how humidity is created in these tubs.. humidity is water vapor compared to dry air.... evaporation "in theory" could have caused the tub to pin according to all the posts ive read that say evaporation is a pinning trigger. idk how much evap has to take place before pinning starts but hey im just trying to help. sorry if i spread wrong information.  also Notahacker420 how do you feel about the minitrench tek? you said full colonization is a pinning trigger maybe the sector that started fruiting was fully colonized.


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Re: First monotub, should I fruit now? [Re: silverstem]
    #19152352 - 11/17/13 11:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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well people keep repeating. evaporation is a pinning trigger... think about it. moisture evaporating from the sub to the air in the tub is how humidity is created in these tubs.. humidity is water vapor compared to dry air.... evaporation "in theory" could have caused the tub to pin according to all the posts ive read that say evaporation is a pinning trigger.



It is only a pinning trigger after full colonization....I think....

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idk how much evap has to take place before pinning starts but hey im just trying to help. sorry if i spread wrong information. 



No bro, I was just askin....not talkin shit at all.....

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also Notahacker420 how do you feel about the minitrench tek? you said full colonization is a pinning trigger maybe the sector that started fruiting was fully colonized.



The "slatting" tek has been proven a failure on many occasions....there is no increase in overall yield.....


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Re: First monotub, should I fruit now? [Re: PussyFart]
    #19152459 - 11/17/13 11:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Looks like you already are buddy


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Re: First monotub, should I fruit now? [Re: Ron Paul]
    #19152656 - 11/18/13 01:09 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

"Slatting" is bullshit.

Your tub is pinning before full colonization because it is contaminated.

:sorry:


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Re: First monotub, should I fruit now? [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19152991 - 11/18/13 06:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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"Slatting" is bullshit.

Your tub is pinning before full colonization because it is contaminated.

:sorry:



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Re: First monotub, should I fruit now? [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19153426 - 11/18/13 10:04 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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"Slatting" is bullshit.

Your tub is pinning before full colonization because it is contaminated.

:sorry:



thanks :smile: I actually trust your advice a lot so going forward I won't use slatting. We'll see how the 4 other monos I've done since this one turn out. As for contamination, it is logical that its contaminated. I had thought of this but again, this being my first mono I thought perhaps I had missed something. It sucks though, I thought I did everything right. I had fully colonized wbs, pasteurized between 140-160 for 90 minutes, wiped everything down with alcohol before spawning to bulk. Just sucks cause I don't know where I may have went wrong ...


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Re: First monotub, should I fruit now? [Re: Mysterycandi]
    #19153448 - 11/18/13 10:10 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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FrankHorrigan said:
"Slatting" is bullshit.

Your tub is pinning before full colonization because it is contaminated.

:sorry:



thanks :smile: I actually trust your advice a lot so going forward I won't use slatting. We'll see how the 4 other monos I've done since this one turn out. As for contamination, it is logical that its contaminated. I had thought of this but again, this being my first mono I thought perhaps I had missed something. It sucks though, I thought I did everything right. I had fully colonized wbs, pasteurized between 140-160 for 90 minutes, wiped everything down with alcohol before spawning to bulk. Just sucks cause I don't know where I may have went wrong ...




Prolly came from the spawn unless you did Agar wedge to Grain in a SAB
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Re: First monotub, should I fruit now? [Re: alabamamushie]
    #19153667 - 11/18/13 11:23 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I can say from experience that slatting not only does not increase pinset, but also has some serious drawbacks once you get past the first couple flushes. The fact that the potential for side pinning causing the sub to put all its energy into those parts of the sub to the detriment of the rest aside, slatting has a truly serious drawback. Once the first flush has been completed, any fruits that grew in the slats need to be totally removed, which is as tricky or more difficult than harvesting side pins. Unfortunately I learned the hard way (my favorite way to learn :wink:) that if you do not get all the fruitbody out, it creates little pockets of CO2 in the slatted area trapped by the excess tissue (this is my theory anyway). This resulted in me getting my very first case of cobweb after the first flush, more cobweb by the second, and a double whammy of cobweb trich by the third all of which originated right at the slatted areas.

Please don't let my experiences dissuade anyone who wants to try this and thinks they can do it better, experimentation is how we learn. But keep in mind that these pitfalls do exist.


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Re: First monotub, should I fruit now? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19154732 - 11/18/13 03:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Unfortunately I learned the hard way (my favorite way to learn :wink:) that if you do not get all the fruitbody out, it creates little pockets of CO2 in the slatted area trapped by the excess tissue



No it doesn't, because co2 does not sink....


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Re: First monotub, should I fruit now? [Re: PussyFart]
    #19154806 - 11/18/13 03:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Unfortunately I learned the hard way (my favorite way to learn :wink:) that if you do not get all the fruitbody out, it creates little pockets of CO2 in the slatted area trapped by the excess tissue



No it doesn't, because co2 does not sink....




Never said it did. However if FAE is being impeded by obstacles and the mycelium is breathing the available O2 in that area and expelling CO2, which gas is going to be dominant in that pocket :shrug: When we colonize spawn jars is there an abundance of O2 in the jar because CO2 does not sink?


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Re: First monotub, should I fruit now? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19154823 - 11/18/13 03:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Never said it did. However if FAE is being impeded by obstacles and the mycelium is breathing the available O2 in that area and expelling CO2, which gas is going to be dominant in that pocket :shrug:



O2....co2 rises with the heat and humidity currents.....

Co2 levels will be higher at the top of the chamber.


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