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bodhisatta 
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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: tripluv]
#19052714 - 10/29/13 04:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well the only real update is that the brick stopped producing. The dunk after the second flush did nothing. It still hasn't molded but no new pins have shown up in 5 days. It's turning yellowish orange on most of the sides which I thought was metabolites but perhaps its bacterial and it is finally contamed. Overall yield was 1 dry oz + 26g So nearly 2oz dry from two quarts of spawn and two quarts of coir.
I have some grain jars that are nearly 100% with creeper and I have some more AA+ jars in the works. So nothing new for at least a week or two.
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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: bodhisatta]
#19130879 - 11/13/13 11:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Creeper is 7 days into colonization. Top looks pretty covered. I'm letting it go to at least 10 days though.
Also have an AA+ which is a day behind the creeper going.
Also dunked my grains this time. Seems to be colonizing at the same speed.
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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: bodhisatta]
#19139828 - 11/15/13 07:05 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wow just found this thread, and I usually end up reading all of ur threads bodhi! dunno y this one lost me haha. I have 4 mini buckets going,2 with a 2:2 ratio and 2 with 1:1 ratio all quart measurements. love the write up on using SGFC after one has overcome pf tek. I do it too but with way smaller trays (1 pint spawn 1.5 pint substrate) pics in my pics folder (I guess its called?). That petri scared me! happened to me too. I get not so great results dunking coir trays after 1st flush as well. up to 5 large fruits, nothing much else, failed pins and ....post pins... like the 3/4 to 1 inch variety. never done any PE varieties (I'm assuming here that AA+ is a PE variety so correct me if I'm wrong...) only because aesthetically I don't like the way they look, even tho potency, yield, etc. with or without isolates can be greater. I like the way regular shrooms look. Keep us updated on the creepers! are they going to be SGFC bricks or tubs of some sort?
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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: blindingleaf]
#19139998 - 11/15/13 08:19 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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blindingleaf said: Wow just found this thread, and I usually end up reading all of ur threads bodhi! dunno y this one lost me haha. I have 4 mini buckets going,2 with a 2:2 ratio and 2 with 1:1 ratio all quart measurements. love the write up on using SGFC after one has overcome pf tek. I do it too but with way smaller trays (1 pint spawn 1.5 pint substrate) pics in my pics folder (I guess its called?). That petri scared me! happened to me too. I get not so great results dunking coir trays after 1st flush as well. up to 5 large fruits, nothing much else, failed pins and ....post pins... like the 3/4 to 1 inch variety. never done any PE varieties (I'm assuming here that AA+ is a PE variety so correct me if I'm wrong...) only because aesthetically I don't like the way they look, even tho potency, yield, etc. with or without isolates can be greater. I like the way regular shrooms look. Keep us updated on the creepers! are they going to be SGFC bricks or tubs of some sort?

I have no idea where AA+ comes from as far as linage but I just like the way it looks. I would really love to get my hands on some PE prints *if any one wants to send me a PM*
Right now the next two bricks are going to be just like the first one. One creeper and one AA+. I'm actually trying to slow down my fruiting operations since I have more shrooms then I know what to do with and I'm not about to hustle them. I'm more or less concentrating on my mycellium farm.
As far as dunking goes. I dunked my grains this time before spawning (IE franks dunk tek) and I don't really notice a difference in colonization time.
The dunking of the actual brick after the first/second flush though is something I'm skipping this time around. It really didn't help at all, I'll just do a strong heavy misting most likely. Seems like my bricks got about 2.5 flushes and fizzled out.
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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: bodhisatta]
#19141214 - 11/15/13 02:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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cool. I have some qts going and I might do a side by side comparison with dunk/ no dunk. I dunked 2 4 lb bags of colonized rye and they contamed so Im fearful of the dunk (so much waiting down the tube...). But thinking back I remember that under the filter patch of the bags, there were about 7 or 8 un colonized grains, very similar to the bacteria spots seen in many posts here hiding in jars, so I think it was that, because I have used tap water in nearly every other part of the process with no problem.
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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: blindingleaf]
#19150367 - 11/17/13 03:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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AA+ and the Creeper.
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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: bodhisatta]
#19150373 - 11/17/13 03:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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AA+ and the Creeper.
I'm getting identical results, keep it up.
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Probably going to fruit that creeper in a day or two. I'm in no rush so even though it's bulk it can consolidate a bit
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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: bodhisatta]
#19150446 - 11/17/13 04:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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That creeper be looking good
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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19150890 - 11/17/13 05:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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This might be a dumb question, but how do you flush a monotub or minimono tub? All I've had experience with is pf tek. However I'm looking to bulk. Also how many of y'all dunk your grains before spawning and how long?
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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: immure]
#19151123 - 11/17/13 06:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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To initiate fruiting is the same with bulk as it is with brf cakes, just introduce fruiting conditions I am a big fan of dunking grains before spawning, usually just dunk them for 5-10 min. Really speeds up the spawn run IMO.
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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19151268 - 11/17/13 06:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: To initiate fruiting is the same with bulk as it is with brf cakes, just introduce fruiting conditions I am a big fan of dunking grains before spawning, usually just dunk them for 5-10 min. Really speeds up the spawn run IMO.
Okay, but after the first spawn run, how do you flush the spawn for the second run? Do you rehydrate by filling the tub with water?
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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: immure]
#19151891 - 11/17/13 09:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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immure said: This might be a dumb question, but how do you flush a monotub or minimono tub? All I've had experience with is pf tek. However I'm looking to bulk. Also how many of y'all dunk your grains before spawning and how long?
I pretend these are big PF cakes. I put them in a SGFC the FC is fruiting chamber and that's got the conditions (FAE and RH) to promote pinning. Evaporation of the substrate(cake or these bricks or surface of a monotub) is the big pinning trigger, this happens in a FC and not during colonization.
I dunked my grains before spawning the two tubs in the last picture I posted. The first tub that started this thread was not made with dunked grains. I didn't see an advantage but Frankhorrigan does usually see one. I will continue to dunk my grains regardless because it's a harmless step with potential benefits. To read more about that process Click here. and here
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Pastywhyte said: To initiate fruiting is the same with bulk as it is with brf cakes, just introduce fruiting conditions I am a big fan of dunking grains before spawning, usually just dunk them for 5-10 min. Really speeds up the spawn run IMO.
Okay, but after the first spawn run, how do you flush the spawn for the second run? Do you rehydrate by filling the tub with water?
Spawn run is what most people refer to as actually making spawn to inoculate IE pressure cooking hydrated grains. So you're not flushing spawn you're waiting for your bulk substrate(or pf cake) to make the next set of mushrooms after you harvest the first set. Each of those sets is a flush. Sometimes the second flush and first flush blend together and are not very distinctive as separate flushes, that's ok, you just need the experience of seeing multiple grows. The second flush will happen by itself but misting and fanning are what I do with these bulk bricks that I put in the SGFC The mist keeps them hydrated for the next flush. I have found no advantage to dunking the whole brick (like you would with a cake) I get about 2-3 flushes from these before they're done.
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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: bodhisatta]
#19208001 - 11/30/13 10:02 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well that tub I was planing on doing of creeper contamed before the first flush. Thought my spawn was good but I guess not, Since I properly pasteurized. Didn't smell bad at all but the tub was not even 50% after two weeks so I flushed it. At least I have some dishes with cultures from that still.
The AA+ one did just fine. Here's some pics.

Lot's of knots forming on the plastic, It will be interesting to see what they do. Lot's of nice clusters too.
Edited by Trusted cuItivator (11/30/13 10:03 AM)
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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: bodhisatta]
#19209066 - 11/30/13 03:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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awesome! so that tray is in the SGFC? how long from introducing to FC would you say u saw first pins? or did u let it get a pin or two and then introduce it? I know there are 2 sides on what should be done...just asking what ur method is...? waiting for my PR's to pin now.
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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: blindingleaf]
#19210720 - 11/30/13 11:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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blindingleaf said: awesome! so that tray is in the SGFC? how long from introducing to FC would you say u saw first pins? or did u let it get a pin or two and then introduce it? I know there are 2 sides on what should be done...just asking what ur method is...? waiting for my PR's to pin now.
Colonization took about 10 days with the lid on. I took the lid off and put the whole thing in the SGFC saw knots in about 2 days pins soon after 3-4 days or so.
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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: bodhisatta]
#19213093 - 12/01/13 02:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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cool. do u personally have something u look for to signify complete colonization? like do u wait till top of our is done, or a little more, or till sub is starting to pull away, etc? I guess I'm asking if u treat these more like a cake or a mono...?
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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: blindingleaf]
#19217615 - 12/02/13 02:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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blindingleaf said: cool. do u personally have something u look for to signify complete colonization? like do u wait till top of our is done, or a little more, or till sub is starting to pull away, etc? I guess I'm asking if u treat these more like a cake or a mono...?
The top being 100% also the tub being clear helps so I can also use the bottom and sides to judge.
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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: bodhisatta]
#19221968 - 12/03/13 12:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Am I crazy or did those shrooms not make any spores. This is AA+ so it's not a true albino.
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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: bodhisatta]
#19221984 - 12/03/13 12:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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IME I find that I often will not see good spore production until the second or third flush, even with a monoculture. Not sure why that is but it has happened to me a few times now.
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