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Re: Martin Luther [Re: andrewmurray86]
    #19150762 - 11/17/13 05:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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The historical part however is easy enough if you take a very cursory look.





Plants being created before the sun?

Living inside a whale for three days?

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The worldwide flood?


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Re: Martin Luther [Re: andrewmurray86]
    #19150766 - 11/17/13 05:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Even the big bang theory remains only a theory... yet I'm sure the satisfaction of the scientific community is filled on that account?

Regardless, I only want to point out that Christians aren't the only ones with faith... The evidence of things not seen.




Nothing is filled and science is not people.


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Re: Martin Luther [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19150784 - 11/17/13 05:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The context was Christ. Genesis is poetry my friend, Jonah I haven't investigated at any level beyond simply reading the text.

Hermeneutics is an essential key when approaching any text, especially the bible. A thorough knowledge of Ancient Hebrew is advised as is understanding of the Ancient Near East culture, especially Jewish which is different to the neighbouring cultures when looking at the OT.


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Re: Martin Luther [Re: Icelander]
    #19150785 - 11/17/13 05:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I fuck christiniaty just let me get on a vacation or i am ouT OF HERE. YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND ME.


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Re: Martin Luther [Re: andrewmurray86] * 2
    #19150794 - 11/17/13 05:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Even the big bang theory remains only a theory...




Note to audience: This is why it is nigh impossible to have any sort of deep discussion.

Please tell us, oh uneducated one, what supercedes a scientific theory?


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Re: Martin Luther [Re: andrewmurray86]
    #19150798 - 11/17/13 05:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Genesis is poetry my friend




Please delineate how one can determine A PRIORI which parts are factual and which parts are allegorical.

Hint: you cannot - this is why there are some 10,000+ flavors of Christianity.


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Re: Martin Luther [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19150810 - 11/17/13 05:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Are not scientific laws?


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Re: Martin Luther [Re: andrewmurray86]
    #19150818 - 11/17/13 05:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Write in complete sentences, please!


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Re: Martin Luther [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19150826 - 11/17/13 05:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Genesis is poetry my friend




Please delineate how one can determine A PRIORI which parts are factual and which parts are allegorical.

Hint: you cannot - this is why there are some 10,000+ flavors of Christianity.





You speak like one who has no understanding of language. Your arrogance on the topic doesn't equate to knowledge.

It is very easy to delineate the parts that are and are not. It's just as easy to do it in Hebrew as it is in English. For example: Once upon a time... or Welcome to the evening news... or 3 guys walk into a bar...


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Re: Martin Luther [Re: andrewmurray86]
    #19150845 - 11/17/13 05:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Are not scientific laws?




Nope. A scientific theory is the absolute pinnacle of inquiry, research and experimentation.


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Re: Martin Luther [Re: andrewmurray86]
    #19150878 - 11/17/13 05:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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You speak like one who has no understanding of language.



This is why I was paid the big bux as a technical writer.

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It is very easy to delineate the parts that are and are not. It's just as easy to do it in Hebrew as it is in English.




:yawn:

So easy that no one can do it. Hence the 10,000 flavors.

Do you know there are at least five FIVE different takes on the body and blood of Jesus according to various churches? Some metaphorical; some factual and some a little of both. And that is just a single passage.


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Re: Martin Luther [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19150898 - 11/17/13 05:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You seem to ignore the things I have said regarding hermeneutics.

It is very easy to create mixed ideas when you look at anything, let alone the bible, out of context and in a language different from what it was written.

I'm not sure there are ten thousand different denominations either. And even if there were 10 million they are united on the same core principles.


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Re: Martin Luther [Re: andrewmurray86] * 1
    #19150907 - 11/17/13 05:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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they are united on the same core principles




Killing gays

Support of slavery

Suppression of women

Disdain for science

Love of war


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Re: Martin Luther [Re: andrewmurray86]
    #19150916 - 11/17/13 05:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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You seem to ignore the things I have said regarding hermaneutics.







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Re: Martin Luther [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19150926 - 11/17/13 05:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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they are united on the same core principles




Killing gays

Support of slavery

Suppression of women

Disdain for science

Love of war





You're just hating now.

I think all my posts here (on shroomery in general) have just about proved all of that wrong.

If you want more proof, you can check my twitter feed same as my shroomery username.


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Re: Martin Luther [Re: andrewmurray86]
    #19150960 - 11/17/13 05:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Failing that you can take my word that I am pro gay-marriage, a supporter of the A21 Campaign and other organisations. Supporter of international aid and sponsorship programs. Very committed to tackling patriarchy and elevating the status of women in society, volunteering my time to help the Herbarium with the Royal Botanical Gardens and other organisation, amateur geologist and fossil enthusiast and a supporter of non-violence practices.

I hope that in some way I can change your (and others) perceptions of the way someone who loves Jesus acts/thinks.


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Re: Martin Luther [Re: andrewmurray86]
    #19151043 - 11/17/13 06:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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That only makes me take your opinion far less seriously.


That's unfortunate but only really affects you.




If affects everyone, the whole world suffers because of religion.



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Behind science is the need for proof, behind religion is assumption.

Again, it's unfortunate that this assumption exists. There is far less assumption in religion than you perceive there to be. I would go as far even that there is less than in science. Like I said, there is no conflict between science and Christianity, just between those who have different views.




Name one shred of tangible proof you can verify objectively, which shows that there is a God or that - that "God" is Jesus.
I've had many out of body experiences, how many christians have even had one? Let alone an experience which they attribute to their finding that deity, instead they join the religion and fill their heads with assumptions, and if any experience occurs its colored by the ingrained images and ideas of that religion - a self-fulfilling prophesy.

That being said, my own experiences go far and wide beyond my psychedelic experiences, but they do not qualify as proof to me or anyone else.


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Re: Martin Luther [Re: Repertoire89]
    #19151215 - 11/17/13 06:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

There are documented cases of the miraculous. Would you even bother to look into this or accept them?

I, personally was healed of depression in an instant when I converted to Christianity, long before I ever entered a church. You don't need to believe me, but this doesn't affect the truth of the matter.

I think the fact that the Church still exists 2,000 years later is proof enough, not many things exist that long. Yet, again, is that enough for you? I somehow think it is not. Apologetics is a fun field but in terms of convincing it is not effective. It generally only keeps skeptics quiet until they can think of new loopholes that they choose to keep themselves from being convinced of the existence of God.
Having said that, questions are an important part of anyone's faith!


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Re: Martin Luther [Re: andrewmurray86]
    #19151228 - 11/17/13 06:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:monkeydance:

What documented cases?:lol:


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Re: Martin Luther [Re: andrewmurray86]
    #19151247 - 11/17/13 06:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I think the fact that the Church still exists 2,000 years later is proof enough, not many things exist that long.




Weevils have existed for 2,000 years too....
I guess that proves the miracle of bread into wine or whatever


There are thousands of cases of documented miracles from Sai Baba
unfortunately many of them are how he got his pencil dick into young boys


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