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andrewmurray86
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Allow me to ask a rhetorical question, it is hoped to truly get you thinking.
Do you question you own beliefs and scrutinise them in the same way that you would question and scrutinise others? This can include but is not limited to, the religious, cultural, emotional, scientific and physical beliefs/perceptions/hypotheses that you don't agree with.
Or are you merely disagreeing because you haven't spent the time to properly investigate others' perspective and apply the same skepticism to your own views?
I know that I said this is rhetorical but I'll answer by saying I am guilty of massive bias but I'm working towards removing it and I think I'm doing a fairly good job.
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I love my cat. His paw is better.
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The answer is obvious as you well know. We are all biased and it's just a matter of the degree.
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LunarEclipse said: I love my cat. His paw is better.
Does he have the paws that refreshes?
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LunarEclipse said: I love my cat. His paw is better.

Does he have the paws that refreshes?
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I have done everything, where are you guys?
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Did you look in the cellar?
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You deliver right now, for my fathers sake.
o repertoire, lolwut etc. Icelander and Diploid steps up and show me they are my brothers.
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This is NOT a goddamned Gay Parade!
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liquidlounge said: You deliver right now, for my fathers sake.
o repertoire, lolwut etc. Icelander and Diploid steps up and show me they are my brothers.
I'm stepping away.
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FOR MY FATHER? A FUCKING HERO. THEN I AM OUT OF HERE.
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The father you wanted througnout existence.
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Quote:
andrewmurray86 said:

He hurt his paw yesterday, and now it's better. No doubt.
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What do you call a cat in The old West?
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Quote:
OrgoneConclusion said: What do you call a cat in The old West?
Muff Tea?
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Pawdnuh.
FYI - a tea made from muffs would be discus-ting.
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OrgoneConclusion said: Pawdnuh.
FYI - a tea made from muffs would be discus-ting. 
You never did understand the concept of "you got to lick it, before you stick it".
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Quote:
andrewmurray86 said: Allow me to ask a rhetorical question, it is hoped to truly get you thinking.
Do you question you own beliefs and scrutinise them in the same way that you would question and scrutinise others? This can include but is not limited to, the religious, cultural, emotional, scientific and physical beliefs/perceptions/hypotheses that you don't agree with.
Or are you merely disagreeing because you haven't spent the time to properly investigate others' perspective and apply the same skepticism to your own views?
I know that I said this is rhetorical but I'll answer by saying I am guilty of massive bias but I'm working towards removing it and I think I'm doing a fairly good job.
My beliefs have changed drastically through many phases over the years, if one were to skim through my posts in these forums that should be evident enough. Its a common occurrence for me to admit if I've made an error during a thread.
That's not something I share with the unwashed masses, its evidently a rare set of qualities.
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I have felt alone in this too, I've been so very fortunate to have a group of people around me these days that let their ideas change and evolve as new ideas come to light or show that an error was made in previous lines of thinking. They are critical but thoughtful thinkers.
My wife is truly a gift to me in this.
I hope there are those around you that can help you to keep growing and learning and those you look up to who can guide you through this.
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We're all a bunch of tards.
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Quote:
andrewmurray86 said:
and those you look up to who can guide you through this.
I'll pass on the personality cults.
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Re: Doubt [Re: Rahz]
#19152014 - 11/17/13 09:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Rahz said: We're all a bunch of tards. 
Sort of like cusTards' Last Stand.
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I was thinking thoughtful bastards.
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Re: Doubt [Re: Rahz]
#19153166 - 11/18/13 08:24 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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you emphasize on something that doesn't matter at all
it is good to love yourself more then anything and to act free without comparison needs, being free positively is first not being through the concept of needs nor others reasons
but your argument is from the opposition to another right point
which is also about being free but negatively, so never act by abusing others right for yourself life
the way of life is to kill what is not like you, in the means that it wont ever like you to be real in same reality forever, but this is wrong
it is not up to individuals even true to kill anyone else, unless of course in self defense
by rejecting others that you dislike as existing rights too, you are meaning to confuse yourself with truth, so to stay as an object being and not free, so killing actually yourself right to be free relative individual out of truth
to me the more someone is different the more I recognize him existing, as long as he is not an evil being, opposed to truth concept for the same fact that any relative is out of as being sharing base, so as long as he respect himself base and assume alone his freedom in living honestly like objectively real
it is very sane to be totally different, the best way to be positively existing so objectively free, when others are not alike when being different is a fact of being free
when also objective existence cannot be known then it is better to let it be on superiority reference, while it is truly superior always..so it is very healthy I think to get closer to the concept of own-self the right sense of being all what matter really because different as free
no need to do good, when not doing bad is the good reason
things rights are only out of constancy fact, so free realities which is the positive reason
Edited by absols (11/18/13 08:26 AM)
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Re: Doubt [Re: absols]
#19153186 - 11/18/13 08:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Who me? I think we're all tards so everyone is like me. If you're not a tard we might have a problem.
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every three seconds or so my bias shifts slightly
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About the same frequency that a kitten is killed.
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WORD. I doubt everything nowadays. Funny it used to be the opposite, I'd believe in everything, now I find myself even doubting the doubt of reality I made.
I truly don't know anything EXCEPT that I came here out of the blue once before (only piece of evidence we have that can prove our existence will be back), that's the conclusion ive made and I doubt that too.
also about biases, yeah I judge and have biases. it happens
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About the same frequency that a kitten is killed.
You say that about everything except poker.
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Why do you hate kittens?
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who me?
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Re: Doubt [Re: Rahz]
#19158985 - 11/19/13 10:20 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Rahz said: Who me? I think we're all tards so everyone is like me. If you're not a tard we might have a problem. 
according to the logics you are inventing actually for evil as all inventions sake,
if I am not a bastard then you cannot see me
which prove how it is an invention you force to claim being over yourself ways, as if you know the fact of being alone
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Re: Doubt [Re: absols]
#19159200 - 11/19/13 11:15 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Striving to exist makes us all dummies but I can see how opinions can differ.
Are you a wise man?
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Re: Doubt [Re: Rahz]
#19160433 - 11/19/13 04:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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no it is obvious I am even the opposite to wise man figures like Buddha or else, I hate any role taken seriously and played in repeating itself objectively, it is clearly a fallacy to me, as it is forced
my weakness is rights which happen to be exclusively freedom rights, so I must be truly free
I love who really loves me, this is my exclusive sense of love, who enjoy my presence I love them in return maybe because it is too easy for me to love as to see something superiority and even realize its freedom adds positively
but actually I don't love anyone because I am true, so I see immediately the fallacy and it becomes nothing of it forever
absolutes are like a reference for superior freedom rights so for existence identification, for present actual matter
Edited by absols (11/19/13 04:20 PM)
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Re: Doubt [Re: absols]
#19160530 - 11/19/13 04:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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absols said: no it is obvious I am even the opposite to wise man figures like Buddha or else, I hate any role taken seriously and played in repeating itself objectively, it is clearly a fallacy to me, as it is forced
my weakness is rights which happen to be exclusively freedom rights, so I must be truly free
I love who really loves me, this is my exclusive sense of love, who enjoy my presence I love them in return maybe because it is too easy for me to love as to see something superiority and even realize its freedom adds positively
but actually I don't love anyone because I am true, so I see immediately the fallacy and it becomes nothing of it forever
absolutes are like a reference for superior freedom rights so for existence identification, for present actual matter
This came off as largely incoherent to me
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Re: Doubt [Re: absols]
#19160625 - 11/19/13 04:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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if you hate you hate yourself :p

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"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions." -Thich Nhat Hanh instant "Experience always goes beyond ideas"
Edited by Sse (11/19/13 04:53 PM)
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Re: Doubt [Re: Sse]
#19163440 - 11/20/13 03:13 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sse said: if you hate you hate yourself :p

it is funny how far you don't least know what you buy to preach..all your focus is on powers over constant values, which you are going to loose for sure, even that focus possibility when that powers gonna get killed
who hates is who love himself, try to talk to any living it would show you that nature in anything
loving others is actually not being considerate to itself right enough, this is why the principle is abused to enslave good people easily by forcing them to be nothing in forcing to accept that concept about themselves, while in trying to see if they would accept also being shit for less efforts of conditions powers and more profits of their slavery in mass...so for more powers life freedom
like it is clear in animals natural life, the more it is feroce and cruel with others the more it is pointed being sexy for the rich of himself he appears to be
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Re: Doubt [Re: absols]
#19165099 - 11/20/13 12:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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You keep projecting onto me :p
My point is our perceptions are not outside of our selves, we build our view of the world. You perceive someone, that perception is also you. You perceive something, that perception is also in you.
You hate someone, you are hating your self. Your perceptions are your building.
This could also been seen as a projection
-------------------- "Springs of water welling from the fire" "Life may seem to flee in a moment, but when the mind is freed of the veil of ignorance, and illusion that comes between the mind and the truth, life and death are only opposite sides of the same coin - "water welling from the fire."
"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions." -Thich Nhat Hanh instant "Experience always goes beyond ideas"
Edited by Sse (11/20/13 02:14 PM)
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