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Re: Evidence finally shows n,n-DMT presence in pineal gland. [Re: Mungo man]
    #19150942 - 11/17/13 05:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Even if it's proven, I doubt little progress will be made in the legislation regarding DMT. Paranoid soccer moms and the DEA will still deem it a psychosis inducing scourge upon our society.


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Re: Evidence finally shows n,n-DMT presence in pineal gland. [Re: schwarg]
    #19151034 - 11/17/13 06:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Just want to point out that this evidence is actually Strassman and co proving their own hypothesis (although as applied to rat pineal glands). He published the results on his website (some institute or other) not too long ago.


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Re: Evidence finally shows n,n-DMT presence in pineal gland. [Re: snoot]
    #19151270 - 11/17/13 06:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

DMT is invariably present in human blood, so anywhere there's blood in the body, there can also be DMT. I'd like to know if the concentration of DMT in the pineal gland is higher than that of other bodily tissue, taking into consideration the flesh/blood ratio. Last I've heard, DMT is primarily secreted from the lungs, according to Dr. Rick Strassman.


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Re: Evidence finally shows n,n-DMT presence in pineal gland. [Re: Space Elf]
    #19151283 - 11/17/13 06:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

no wonder DMT smells like old man breath.


old men are basically shamans i guess now? :shrug:


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Re: Evidence finally shows n,n-DMT presence in pineal gland. [Re: snoot]
    #19151303 - 11/17/13 07:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Would be nice to read the article.





Official Journal/ Academic Paper/ other authority request thread


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Re: Evidence finally shows n,n-DMT presence in pineal gland. [Re: s240779]
    #19225748 - 12/04/13 08:44 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

^ Someone was supposed to post a request for it. :smirk:


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Re: Evidence finally shows n,n-DMT presence in pineal gland. [Re: s240779] * 2
    #19225849 - 12/04/13 09:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)
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Re: Evidence finally shows n,n-DMT presence in pineal gland. [Re: spazmodog]
    #19225861 - 12/04/13 09:22 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks a lot Spazmo


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Re: Evidence finally shows n,n-DMT presence in pineal gland. [Re: Beanhead]
    #19225866 - 12/04/13 09:23 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Seconded.


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Re: Evidence finally shows n,n-DMT presence in pineal gland. [Re: Beanhead]
    #19225868 - 12/04/13 09:24 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

no worries :thumbup:


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Re: Evidence finally shows n,n-DMT presence in pineal gland. [Re: snoot] * 1
    #19226114 - 12/04/13 10:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

To put this in perspective..

1..RAT pineal glands. Says nothing about the human situation.
2..Trace amount. Completely insufficient to produce psychoactive effects, in the same ballpark they found endogenously produced diazepam in potatoes.


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Re: Evidence finally shows n,n-DMT presence in pineal gland. [Re: Asante]
    #19226126 - 12/04/13 11:02 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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1..RAT pineal glands. Says nothing about the human situation.




But they've long found DMT in human urine.

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2..Trace amount. Completely insufficient to produce psychoactive effects, in the same ballpark they found endogenously produced diazepam in potatoes.





Probably because they tested rat brains. It stands to reason that a much less intelligent species (not to mention much smaller, physically) like rats will have a miniscule amount of DMT.


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Re: Evidence finally shows n,n-DMT presence in pineal gland. [Re: s240779]
    #19226164 - 12/04/13 11:14 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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But they've long found DMT in human urine.




Doesnt mean its in the pineal gland in significant concentrations though.

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Probably because they tested rat brains. It stands to reason that a much less intelligent species (not to mention much smaller, physically) like rats will have a miniscule amount of DMT.




Human pineal glands have been tested and they came up negative.


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Re: Evidence finally shows n,n-DMT presence in pineal gland. [Re: Asante] * 1
    #19226289 - 12/04/13 11:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The presence of DMT in human blood and urine has been conclusively reported in a number of papers (Riceberg and van Vunakis, 1978)

if it's in human blood and urine, where do you think it comes from? where is it produced in the human body? the spleen?

c'mon. so it's in the third eye of live rats, but not in dead rats? what does that mean? they haven't found it in humans yet because they'd have to look for it in a LIVING pineal gland. anyone willing to have open brain surgery to test out this hypothesis?


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Re: Evidence finally shows n,n-DMT presence in pineal gland. [Re: Envix] * 1
    #19226308 - 12/04/13 11:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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The presence of DMT in human blood and urine has been conclusively reported in a number of papers (Riceberg and van Vunakis, 1978)

if it's in human blood and urine, where do you think it comes from? where is it produced in the human body? the spleen?

c'mon. so it's in the third eye of live rats, but not in dead rats? what does that mean? they haven't found it in humans yet because they'd have to look for it in a LIVING pineal gland. anyone willing to have open brain surgery to test out this hypothesis?





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Re: Evidence finally shows n,n-DMT presence in pineal gland. [Re: Envix] * 1
    #19226385 - 12/04/13 12:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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The presence of DMT in human blood and urine has been conclusively reported in a number of papers (Riceberg and van Vunakis, 1978)




I wasn't disputing that, i'm disputing the underlying poppycock of endogenous DMT trips, particularly NDE's being endogenous DMT trips.

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if it's in human blood and urine, where do you think it comes from?




I don't know, the enzymes of your intestinal flora or your blood itself interacting with tryptophan and its metabolites? Most serotonin receptors and indeed serotonin are outside of the brain.

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they haven't found it in humans yet because they'd have to look for it in a LIVING pineal gland.




You're jumping quite far ahead of whats been proven. Where are the DMT metabolites in the dead human pineal glands? Strassman tested them too, and that too came up negative.

Presence of, I repeat, TRACE amounts of DMT in blood and urine does not mean it originates in the brain, it does not mean it is actually being used as a neurotransmitter, and it does not mean endogenous DMT is significantly involved in human consciousness and/or Near Death Experiences.


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Re: Evidence finally shows n,n-DMT presence in pineal gland. [Re: Asante]
    #19227680 - 12/04/13 04:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Presence of, I repeat, TRACE amounts of DMT in blood and urine does not mean it originates in the brain, it does not mean it is actually being used as a neurotransmitter, and it does not mean endogenous DMT is significantly involved in human consciousness and/or Near Death Experiences.



uh, every drug in existence is involved in creating a conscious experience. where have you been?


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Re: Evidence finally shows n,n-DMT presence in pineal gland. [Re: Envix]
    #19227814 - 12/04/13 05:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

DMT can be a trace compound without function, a side reaction from tryptophan metabolites reacting with enzymes that are intended for creating other compounds.

Like potato benzodiazepines. They have no function in the organism, they just form in trace amounts as side reactions when enzyme systems alter contaminants.

That a substance can act as a drug is of no significance if it never naturally gets anywhere near levels that cause it to be active as a drug.

And theres zero proof for DMT in human pineal glands, zero proof DMT is present as a neurotransmitter rather than as a waste product and theres zero proof endogenous DMT ever gets up to amounts that generate a psychedelic experience.

They are beautiful thoughts, especially appealing to people taken by the mysticism of DMT, but there is no proof at this stage.


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Re: Evidence finally shows n,n-DMT presence in pineal gland. [Re: Asante]
    #19227823 - 12/04/13 05:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Wiccan_Seeker is right, but we still have to remain open to the idea that endogenous DMT plays a significant role in living things.


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Re: Evidence finally shows n,n-DMT presence in pineal gland. [Re: Asante]
    #19227825 - 12/04/13 05:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

so a drug only qualifies as having a function if there's enough of it to create an altered conscious experience? wow, i really gotta change my definition of what a drug is


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