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Hard Red Winter Wheat
    #19145553 - 11/16/13 02:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I have a couple of master jars of HRWW that are about to be colonized. Would it be okay to transfer these into WBS jars our should I just get some more HRWW? I have no experience with mixing grains and wanted to ask the community before I go ahead and do anything stupid.

Also for those who also work with HRWW do you guys have any problems with it? I find it ferments very easily if you soak it for too long 12+ hours and it starts to smell like eggs. My last batch had 4 of 7 jars contam, which is unusual for me. I'm trying to figure out what the problem is or if it was attributed to sloppy SAB work which it very well could of been. Since I was doing agar transfers and 3 were fine, while 4 were contamed with trich. So it could be possible it was the agar that was contaminated. Any help or info would much be appreciated. Discuss


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Re: Hard Red Winter Wheat [Re: nn-IlliniSpiralDMT]
    #19145673 - 11/16/13 02:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Once they're cooked and prepped you can basically stop thinking about them as grains and start thinking about them as points of inoculation.  You can go from any grain to any other grain or to any appropriate substrate safely with an ample amount of points of inoculation.  WBS is better in that regard than HRWW or rye, but on the other hand it's a lot more of a pain in the ass.  With grains in general there are no false moves here unless they involve popcorn.  Fuck popcorn.

I have worked with wheat and with mixtures containing wheat.  If you're having contamination issues sterilize it a little longer--there should be a discernible color change when they come out of your pressure cooker.


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Re: Hard Red Winter Wheat [Re: Psilicon]
    #19146062 - 11/16/13 04:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I just started two qt. with wheat berries.  its a small bag, only enough for 2 qts.  when I got home and opened bag I noticed it said par boiled...OH NO!  so I just soaked 4 hours and even that little time, grains exploded, so I let them dry room temp 20  hours, and pc'd 60 min 15psi thinking longer would make EVEN more grains explode.  Did agar transfers on them and they are growing fine, even with all the exploded grains, which surprised me because despite all the horror stories of using over saturated grains, its still growing....maybe if it was spore solution of LC it would not work because of the added moisture.  Note that the grains were VERY VERY soft, but no moisture on kernel, and I threw in a tablespoon of dry very before pc'ing just in case, so there is NO visible moisture detectable on the glass.





when u look at the image, zoom if u can, and u will see many grains with exposed insides, as well as little sprinklings of verm.


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Re: Hard Red Winter Wheat [Re: blindingleaf]
    #19146183 - 11/16/13 05:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Is that a coffee filter?  :awewtf:


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Re: Hard Red Winter Wheat [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19146373 - 11/16/13 06:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

haha yea, but underneath is an SFD.  I just put the filter on post inoculation over SFD and lid because I smoke in my apt and it creates a lot of dust plus 2 cats and one dog, so I don't want anything to possibly land and settle on the SFD and lid.  prob not necessary but I do it.  if anything its the placebo effect that eliminates my worries.



thats side by side. I may have less than 60 posts but I've never used a coffee filter as a jar filter.  Ive seen posts of ppl arguing FOR it but that blows my mind.  I have too much evaporation with just one layer of tyvek, so I can't imagine how much worse it would be with a coffee filter, let a lone the contams.  good looking out tho!


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Re: Hard Red Winter Wheat [Re: blindingleaf]
    #19147480 - 11/16/13 09:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I just started two qt. with wheat berries.  its a small bag, only enough for 2 qts.  when I got home and opened bag I noticed it said par boiled...OH NO!  so I just soaked 4 hours and even that little time, grains exploded, so I let them dry room temp 20  hours, and pc'd 60 min 15psi thinking longer would make EVEN more grains explode.  Did agar transfers on them and they are growing fine, even with all the exploded grains, which surprised me because despite all the horror stories of using over saturated grains, its still growing....maybe if it was spore solution of LC it would not work because of the added moisture.  Note that the grains were VERY VERY soft, but no moisture on kernel, and I threw in a tablespoon of dry very before pc'ing just in case, so there is NO visible moisture detectable on the glass.





when u look at the image, zoom if u can, and u will see many grains with exposed insides, as well as little sprinklings of verm.





Yeah wheat berries explode very easily. My first batch looked worse than yours, all the grains were exploded and when I PC'd the jars there was just mushy gross kernels in there. It looked like oatmeal:thumbdown:

I'm happy I just have these jars to work with for the moment. I'm thinking I am just going to wash my grains, boil water and cover the cleaned grains with the boiling water, let it sit for 6 hours, strain, dry and load next time. The boiling I feel leads to a higher kernel explosion rate, which I believe leads to more contam problems.

I'll probably also PC for 120 minutes just to be sure of it. Hey blindleaf what are your results using wheat versus wbs? I like it more to be honest. I haven't fruited anything yet, so no hard concrete evidence can be determined but I have noticed a much more rigorous growth and faster colonization times than WBS. Also what do you pay for wheat per #?


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Re: Hard Red Winter Wheat [Re: Psilicon]
    #19147487 - 11/16/13 09:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Once they're cooked and prepped you can basically stop thinking about them as grains and start thinking about them as points of inoculation.  You can go from any grain to any other grain or to any appropriate substrate safely with an ample amount of points of inoculation.  WBS is better in that regard than HRWW or rye, but on the other hand it's a lot more of a pain in the ass.  With grains in general there are no false moves here unless they involve popcorn.  Fuck popcorn.

I have worked with wheat and with mixtures containing wheat.  If you're having contamination issues sterilize it a little longer--there should be a discernible color change when they come out of your pressure cooker.





Whats your view on WBS versus WHEAT? Not tyring to argue or anything, I was just want to know why you make such allegations? Why is WBS more of a pain in the ass for you? For me its the multiple grain sizes, PITA to get the water content just right.


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Re: Hard Red Winter Wheat [Re: nn-IlliniSpiralDMT]
    #19147510 - 11/16/13 09:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Yeah wheat berries explode very easily. My first batch looked worse than yours, all the grains were exploded and when I PC'd the jars there was just mushy gross kernels in there. It looked like oatmeal:thumbdown:





That sucks, all my wheat berries turn out plump and juicy looking.  I'm guessing it has more to do with your prep than the berries themselves.


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Re: Hard Red Winter Wheat [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19147786 - 11/16/13 11:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Mine do now. The reason they turned out really mushy atleast imo is because of the extended boiling and soak time. What is your prep method? I rinse, cover with boiled water to soak for 5ish hours, rinse again, dry,load and PC. Works fine now:thumbup:

Also idk if this has anything to do with it but my grains are non GMO and IP, organic and local.


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Re: Hard Red Winter Wheat [Re: nn-IlliniSpiralDMT]
    #19147871 - 11/16/13 11:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

If you're finding yourself with so many worries, woes
and difficulties using the wheat berries, why not just
switch to a more traditional WBS and alleviate your
stress?

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Re: Hard Red Winter Wheat [Re: JMcDoogle]
    #19147956 - 11/17/13 12:06 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Personally I had more issues with the millet in WBS exploding on me than I ever did with wheat. I use rye now which is pretty much the exact same prep as wheat, but wheat definitely had a smaller grain size which was nice for the extra nock points. I find WBS trickier with more muss and fuss by far, the tradeoff being WBS is cheaper and has the extra nock points.


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Re: Hard Red Winter Wheat [Re: nn-IlliniSpiralDMT]
    #19148376 - 11/17/13 03:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Once they're cooked and prepped you can basically stop thinking about them as grains and start thinking about them as points of inoculation.  You can go from any grain to any other grain or to any appropriate substrate safely with an ample amount of points of inoculation.  WBS is better in that regard than HRWW or rye, but on the other hand it's a lot more of a pain in the ass.  With grains in general there are no false moves here unless they involve popcorn.  Fuck popcorn.

I have worked with wheat and with mixtures containing wheat.  If you're having contamination issues sterilize it a little longer--there should be a discernible color change when they come out of your pressure cooker.





Whats your view on WBS versus WHEAT? Not tyring to argue or anything, I was just want to know why you make such allegations? Why is WBS more of a pain in the ass for you? For me its the multiple grain sizes, PITA to get the water content just right.




I don't mind the multiple grain sizes, and I have no problem getting the moisture just right.  I just dump boiling water on it and then come back the next day and heat it up as fast as I can to a boil before straining it all out and spreading it on aluminum foil on the counter.  The reason WBS is a pain in the ass for me is trying to pick out all the sunflower seeds and raisins and peanuts and beans while leaving the good stuff.  The only easy way to do it is to skim the surface, but then you lose a whole lot of your millet (I don't believe in removing floaters) and reduce the inoculation point advantage.

Wheat is a pretty good spawn, for sure.  But compared to millet it's enormous, and you do lose a lot of points of inoculation.


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Re: Hard Red Winter Wheat [Re: nn-IlliniSpiralDMT]
    #19148594 - 11/17/13 06:40 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I'll probably also PC for 120 minutes just to be sure of it. Hey blindleaf what are your results using wheat versus wbs? I like it more to be honest. I haven't fruited anything yet, so no hard concrete evidence can be determined but I have noticed a much more rigorous growth and faster colonization times than WBS. Also what do you pay for wheat per #?




I only have JUST started wheat jars, and like I said they were par boiled, leading to all those busted grains in the pic.  I have no trouble with WBS.  Rinse 4 times, Soak 24 hrs, sometimes 20 hrs depending when I wake up, I don't even simmer/boil/heat.  Just drain for maybe 30 minutes, shaking occasionally, lay them out on t shirt in the sun, or sometimes (maybe will get flack for this) put them in oven on 150-200 to get them pretty dry, leaving a spot or two on toilet paper, then PC for 60 min.  all the pics in my pics folder are wbs, have not had trouble yet, but I do skim off floaters (even some millet, if its floating).  If these wheat jars work well, I will switch, but I still have not tried Rye, besides buying it pre sterile from vendor (bad idea).  also have not done price comparison yet.  I also dunno nutrient comparison to WBS vs Rye vs. wheat. I'll have to look that up.  Right now I'm experimenting with this 10 grain cereal blend (wheat, oats, rice, soy, flax, millet, corn, and others) , but Ill post a thread when whole thing is done, doing cakes and gonna spawn qts to see if it makes a difference.  have 2 jars with ms injection and qts with agar transfer in case it makes a difference too.  the pics in my above post were the qts with agar innoc.


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Re: Hard Red Winter Wheat [Re: blindingleaf]
    #19148841 - 11/17/13 09:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

For any given volume, wheat has fewer grains that are larger in size than WBS, so there's a lot less surface area.  This is a disadvantage, because that means there's less mycelium in a jar of wheat than there in a jar of WBS, but it does mean a faster colonization.  Popcorn, the antichrist of spawns, colonizes in about fifteen minutes flat but you need five-gallon buckets of it to get the same amount of mycelium as in a couple quart jars of anything else.


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Re: Hard Red Winter Wheat [Re: Psilicon]
    #19148842 - 11/17/13 09:13 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:whatshesaid:

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Re: Hard Red Winter Wheat [Re: JMcDoogle]
    #19149142 - 11/17/13 10:49 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

There not so much worries as they are precautions. One of the main reasons is I feel my purchase from a local small organic farm for Non-GMO wheat grains makes me feel good and environmentally friendly. No going to walmart or lowes, waiting in a line, and dealing with corporation bullshit and woes. Sure I could get 50# of WBS for say 20 dollars but I still get 40# of wheat berries for the same price:thumbup:

I could transfer the jar into WBS which is my main question of this thread, that has been resolved.

I'm just rather curious as to other people's experiences and opinions on the matter. We're all here to learn, are we not?


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Re: Hard Red Winter Wheat [Re: Psilicon]
    #19149175 - 11/17/13 10:55 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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For any given volume, wheat has fewer grains that are larger in size than WBS, so there's a lot less surface area.  This is a disadvantage, because that means there's less mycelium in a jar of wheat than there in a jar of WBS, but it does mean a faster colonization.  Popcorn, the antichrist of spawns, colonizes in about fifteen minutes flat but you need five-gallon buckets of it to get the same amount of mycelium as in a couple quart jars of anything else.




Really? I feel that my grain size is rather small compared to WBS, especially if you have corn in there. My wheat is actually small, and it breaks up very nicely. If I am not mistaken, rye is a type of wheat anyway? SO really wheat should be the better grain of the two. I could be wrong.. I'm sure someone will correct me lol.


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Re: Hard Red Winter Wheat [Re: nn-IlliniSpiralDMT]
    #19149271 - 11/17/13 11:18 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Depends on the brand of WBS. If you are using WBS that is loaded with millet, there is a lot of extra nock points in there to make up for the larger grains that might also be present. HRWW is a little smaller than rye berries IME, but I love rye in spite of its size. IMO there is no "better" or "best" grain. It all boils down to what works for your situation, budget, availability etc. There is only one poor grain; popcorn.


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Re: Hard Red Winter Wheat [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19150937 - 11/17/13 05:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Depends on the brand of WBS. If you are using WBS that is loaded with millet, there is a lot of extra nock points in there to make up for the larger grains that might also be present. HRWW is a little smaller than rye berries IME, but I love rye in spite of its size. IMO there is no "better" or "best" grain. It all boils down to what works for your situation, budget, availability etc. There is only one poor grain; popcorn.




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