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un-known-ome
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MinnesnowtaNice said: Kinda sound like you're just a pussy dude, marijuana is a powerful mind altering substance? i barley get fucked up from weed, all that happens is i feel good, get hungary and eat. Mind altering? have you ever touched mushrooms or opiates? Weed isnt even shit compared to Alcohol. How high does cannabis get you?
You just come across as such as cunt. I'm sorry. I thought people who smoke were supposed to be cool and very...neutral. It's this thing called "self-awareness" that a surprising number of weed-smokers lack. Completely. It's surprising because weed has the capacity to bring you self-awareness, but they just completely miss that facet of the experience. Marijuana alters consciousness is a significant way, but maybe you're just too high all the time to realize it. I've been deeper into the psychosis brought on by psychedelics than you could imagine, but this isn't a pissing contest. If you were aware of your own mind, you would recognize the powerful effects of cannabis. And even alcohol or caffeine for that matter. Yes, drinking caffeinated beverages is a trip, with a come-up, peak, and come-down. But you have to feel it out, because it's rather subtle. And at the point that you actually realize how different substances effect you and the extent of those effects, you may come to understand my point of view a little bit better.
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I hate weed too, although I'm fine with people smoking it if they honestly feel it is beneficial. Honestly being the key word. Check out Graham Hancock's banned TED talk about how it took him a long time to become honest with himself about his own cannabis usage:
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Epigallo]
#19148373 - 11/17/13 03:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Its a personal preference. I don't really like LSD all that much (way too long with a horrible body load for me) but I know plenty of people who are madly in love with it.
I smoked weed everyday for the whole of my adult life and accomplished lots of stuff to be proud of (mid 20s now).
However, I am almost 2 months into quitting it and plan to never smoke again as was starting to get expensive, could no longer get high only stoned and found day to day living more of challenge.
I don't blame weed for this at all, for some people it can be part of their lives for as long as they want but I got to a point where it no longer had a place in mine.
That said, had a used alcohol in the same way I have used weed I would be totally fucked right now so weed is an extremely forgiving drug in some aspects of addiction, but still addictive.
I will never understand how anyone can say anything isn't addictive for some people. I have been on tramadol for many month before and coming off that for me was easily on par with the difficultly I found quitting cannabis. Any behaviour you enjoy can be addictive, I mean I seriously don't get the appeal of betting but it can mess whole lives up, with no limit of the money you can spend on it....
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Chilled]
#19148856 - 11/17/13 09:18 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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If I have a small puff I'm fine and happy, if I take two massive drags, my night is ruined, I get really sick and anxious. It's very easy for me to OD on weed, so I prefer to avoid it.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Fungi]
#19149098 - 11/17/13 10:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I didn't read all of these posts. But I did read the first one and a couple.
This is what I have to say. I have never smoked marijuana frivolously. I smoke it maybe once or twice a year. And I should say that it might not be as intense as mushrooms or other psychedelics, but it has potential. Especially when mixed with meditation. It often yields social insights for me, like realizing the state of another person whereas I would entirely miss it. But when I meditate it is quite different, it has proven itself to me to both be capable of creating closed-eye visuals and a loss of body awareness. But I should say that a loss of body awareness can also be achieved through meditation alone, but marijuana makes it easy, and almost unavoidable for me.
So its preference and the person themselves and their mind. If you have brain damaged yourself through huge trips and meditated the hell out of yourself, then marijuana is going to be drastically different and potentially enlightening.
Edit: After realizing what you are saying, that marijuana isn't trivial, maybe my post is now useless. haha. I actually agree that marijuana is probably best not used as a daily crutch. I don't do it, and have never actually wanted to do it.
Edited by Confused2289 (11/17/13 10:47 AM)
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spikeycloud
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Dude I dunno what your problem is but let everyone decide for themselves what they do or don't do. I can’t understand why you worry about such small unimportant things. Better take that time in doing something productive.
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TheGreenArrow
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Sometimes I wonder if my disdain for marijuana is because so many goddamn people use it, and that I wouldn't appreciate shrooms or the like if they were similarly used by everyone and their mother.
This may be the most hipster post I've ever read on the shroomery. I don't like weed because everybody uses it? Really?! Fucking lame.
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Sometimes I wonder if my disdain for marijuana is because so many goddamn people use it, and that I wouldn't appreciate shrooms or the like if they were similarly used by everyone and their mother.
This may be the most hipster post I've ever read on the shroomery. I don't like weed because everybody uses it? Really?! Fucking lame. 
You really didn't read into that statement at all, did you? But I don't need to interpret it for you. Nah. How high were you when you read that? Go fuck yourself.
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psilocybinjunkie
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Haha lets not get too carried away with angry posts
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different scenes for different genes man
^directed at op
Edited by Psilopsychosis (11/18/13 06:50 PM)
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V1rusH0st
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: V1rusH0st]
#19156513 - 11/18/13 07:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I didn't read the whole thread but has anyone posted the Carl Sagan essay on marijuana? 
Probably won't change your mind op, nothing wrong with that, but he makes a good case for the mj
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Ellis Dee
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The only problem I know about marijuana is that you need to smoke it with people to know the kind of people that have good drugs. Mj is the boringest of all drugs, but is still the gatway to cool people that have better stuff.
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TheGreenArrow
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Sometimes I wonder if my disdain for marijuana is because so many goddamn people use it, and that I wouldn't appreciate shrooms or the like if they were similarly used by everyone and their mother.
This may be the most hipster post I've ever read on the shroomery. I don't like weed because everybody uses it? Really?! Fucking lame. 
You really didn't read into that statement at all, did you? But I don't need to interpret it for you. Nah. How high were you when you read that? Go fuck yourself.
Easy killer. Not all people that smoke weed are high 24/7, your just really into broad generalizations. That's okay though man your still young. Maybe you should look a little harder though before you decide that most people who smoke pot have to smoke it all day every day. Again your fucking 22, wait till you get older. You'd be really surprised to know how many successful people are going to be somewhere around you high, and you'd probly not know it.  Get used to it buddy, weed has fought to beat years of persecution back and its not gonna be going away anytime soon.
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A lot of differing opinions have come out in this thread, but with little evidence that could actually change a person's mind.
It's funny to me when an anti-stoner pops up and just doesn't get that to the stoners, their point is a joke because everything they say is so harsh and judgmental.
One thing that I've seen cannabis give to a lot of people is the beginnings of an open heart. It doesn't seem to do much good for their thinking capacity and memory, though - at least not when used with any frequency. Carl Sagan was an infrequent low-dose user of cannabis by his own [extremely candid, anonymous] description. In that setting it seems to have very interesting effects on one's creative process.
As a person who's smoked plenty of cannabis and no longer has any interest in it outside of the rare low-dose, I don't think any good will come of holding on to strong distaste for cannabis or people who use it. Stoners have some wisdom to offer you; if you can soften your heart and let go of your aggression you'll probably have some wisdom to offer them, too.
Maybe a puff of cannabis would help. ^_^ (couldn't resist, haha)
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: hmmn]
#19158509 - 11/19/13 07:24 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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angry much OP? haha So you don't like weed . . . and wut? On the sliding scale of multiple branches its pretty benign compared to meth, crack, heroin, mushrooms and lsd. Compared to its potential effect most use it in a manner similar to coffee which is actually more physically addicting and lethal at a far smaller ratio/ld-50 compared to an active dose. heat up a 1/8 of good hash or BHO till it activates for oral consumption and see what it'll do to you.
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un-known-ome said: Marijuana just doesn't have any value, particularly when you compare it to anything else.
hey there kiddo.
have a seat.
let me tell you a secret about the universe.
nothing has inherent value. all value is assigned.
and now that you think your value assessments should be applicable to everyone else, you are egocentric.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Ellis Dee]
#19159773 - 11/19/13 01:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ellis Dee said: The only problem I know about marijuana is that you need to smoke it with people to know the kind of people that have good drugs. Mj is the boringest of all drugs, but is still the gatway to cool people that have better stuff.
Really!? 
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Despite what you say, marijuana is still a mild psychedelic. Psychedelic literally means "clear mind."
You can DEFINITELY use marijuana to understand your flaws, to figure out what aspects of your life you need to improve, and so forth. Just because certain stoners may use marijuana to simply enjoy music and munch on some junk food doesn't mean the experience can't be spiritual, deep, or meaningful. I introduced my friend to a bomb sativa strain, keep in mind this was his first time smoking, and he couldn't stop talking about how much he learnt from his trip. His views on culture, modern values, and so forth drastically changed in a positive, Buddhist-like way.
I feel like there's two categories of drug users: people who just want to get fucked up in the craziest ways possible and people who want to expand their minds by experiencing altered states of consciousness. It's not the drugs, it's you.
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un-known-ome
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: k00laid]
#19176414 - 11/22/13 08:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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k00laid said:
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un-known-ome said: Marijuana just doesn't have any value, particularly when you compare it to anything else.
hey there kiddo.
have a seat.
let me tell you a secret about the universe.
nothing has inherent value. all value is assigned.
and now that you think your value assessments should be applicable to everyone else, you are egocentric.
Holy crud. That is such hippy-dippee BS. Can you talk like, idk, regular mortals would?
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