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Offlinechutney
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Re: Are you guys seeing this weather report?? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19149891 - 11/17/13 01:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
they're aren't going to play your game. they' already stated their position




What game is that?


I will say it once more; generating an opinion then running to Google to cherry pick data which supports your opinion and twist or ignore all that which contradicts it is NOT science.

People are acting like because they can do that, they are right. THAT is the only game being played here... As I said, sometimes it's obvious that evidence is used for dramatic effect in the media, sometimes its obvious that certain groups/scientists have hippy-dippy ideals and simply want the data on their side for a different agenda than putting forth the truth, sometimes its clear that people are pushing global warming for political ends. When that is happening, its easy to spot (for me anyways). But that is the exception, not the rule. The majority of scientists have reached this conclusion independently and based solely on nothing more than years of hard work, research, and field investigations. There ARE kooks out there, they permeate all legitimate (and non-legitimate) endeavors. People act like all scientists are (ironically) doing what Prisoner is doing and creating an opinion/hypothesis and twisting data, lying, and manufacturing evidence to fit that hypothesis (which is not the case); again SOME people may be guilty of that, sure. But it's not an accurate portrayal of (and nor does it debunk) the countless others who are reaching their conclusions based on nothing more than genuine hard work and study. It's NOT some big conspiracy orchestrated by thousands of scientists worldwide.

If you were to aggregate all the journal articles and studies about climate change and get a percentage, you would find that only an extremely small percentage are attempting to debunk the phenomenon as being not caused by human behavior and activities... the vast majority (including the majority of esteemed and renowned scientific groups- which I won't run to Google to name, since you'd just run to Google to attack their credibility) of studies being done by professionals in academia around the entire globe are reaching the same conclusion. As I said above, this is NOT evidence that climate change is caused by humans, thats just ridiculous to claim this as evidence... but it does indicate that thousands of people who have spent countless thousands of hours of intensive study and research (as opposed to countless hours spent posting on the Shroomery) looking at this phenomenon (AKA, people who know their shit about climate change FAR more than you and I) are reaching a conclusion which is likely rooted in fact. How many studies do we need which all corroborate one another before it's accepted? Cause there has been LOT.

Quick Google search turns up the following;

American Geophysical Union

American Society of Agronomy, Crop Science Society of America, and Soil Science Society of America

European Federation of Geologists

European Geosciences Union

Geological Society of America

Geological Society of London

International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics

National Association of Geoscience Teachers

American Meteorological Society

Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society

Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences

Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society

Royal Meteorological Society (UK)

World Meteorological Organization

American Quaternary Association

International Union for Quaternary Research

American Institute of Biological Sciences

American Society for Microbiology

American Astronomical Society


All of whom have reached the conclusions that human activities are a primary factor driving climate change.

But hey let's all pretend the people on the Shroomery who haven't spent a MINUTE in academia studying this stuff know better than these countless thousands of people because they can Google things which support their opinion.

Brilliant!

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Re: Are you guys seeing this weather report?? [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19149894 - 11/17/13 01:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Mush4Brains said:
"American Thinker is a daily conservative online magazine dealing with American politics, foreign policy, national security, Israel, economics, diplomacy, culture and military strategy."

I see you can't find much that isn't from a politically biased source, zappa.



They did not produce they graph.  They published the graph


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Offlineakira_akuma
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Re: Are you guys seeing this weather report?? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19149895 - 11/17/13 01:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

your "little thing" is a bunch of haphazard bullshit that isn't related to anything in relation to the thread topic. nor is it anything but trying to tie one correlation with another, to make them seem connected, when they aren't.


it's simple as fuck for you guys. find some substantial proof for your assertions, or you can just keep babbling, and people will keep telling you to provide evidence. simple as fuck.

the real argument here, BETWEEN BOTH PARTIES HERE, is whether or not...
Quote:

akira_akuma said:

Seriously, it's not debatable.



what isn't? that climate change happens, or that "climate change" is THIS WEATHER WE'RE EXPERIENCING? which is it, that isn't debatable? be clear, now.



answer, or forever be ranting over nothing.


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Re: Are you guys seeing this weather report?? [Re: chutney]
    #19149902 - 11/17/13 01:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

chutney said:
Quote:

akira_akuma said:
they're aren't going to play your game. they' already stated their position




What game is that?


I will say it once more; generating an opinion then running to Google to cherry pick data which supports your opinion and twist or ignore all that which contradicts it is NOT science.

People are acting like because they can do that, they are right. THAT is the only game being played here... As I said, sometimes it's obvious that evidence is used for dramatic effect in the media, sometimes its obvious that certain groups/scientists have hippy-dippy ideals and simply want the data on their side for a different agenda than putting forth the truth, sometimes its clear that people are pushing global warming for political ends. When that is happening, its easy to spot (for me anyways). But that is the exception, not the rule. The majority of scientists have reached this conclusion independently and based solely on nothing more than years of hard work, research, and field investigations. There ARE kooks out there, they permeate all legitimate (and non-legitimate) endeavors. People act like all scientists are (ironically) doing what Prisoner is doing and creating an opinion/hypothesis and twisting data, lying, and manufacturing evidence to fit that hypothesis (which is not the case); again SOME people may be guilty of that, sure. But it's not an accurate portrayal of (and nor does it debunk) the countless others who are reaching their conclusions based on nothing more than genuine hard work and study. It's NOT some big conspiracy orchestrated by thousands of scientists worldwide.

If you were to aggregate all the journal articles and studies about climate change and get a percentage, you would find that only an extremely small percentage are attempting to debunk the phenomenon as being not caused by human behavior and activities... the vast majority (including the majority of esteemed and renowned scientific groups- which I won't run to Google to name, since you'd just run to Google to attack their credibility) of studies being done by professionals in academia around the entire globe are reaching the same conclusion. As I said above, this is NOT evidence that climate change is caused by humans, thats just ridiculous to claim this as evidence... but it does indicate that thousands of people who have spent countless thousands of hours of intensive study and research (as opposed to countless hours spent posting on the Shroomery) looking at this phenomenon (AKA, people who know their shit about climate change FAR more than you and I) are reaching a conclusion which is likely rooted in fact. How many studies do we need which all corroborate one another before it's accepted? Cause there has been LOT.

Quick Google search turns up the following;

American Geophysical Union

American Society of Agronomy, Crop Science Society of America, and Soil Science Society of America

European Federation of Geologists

European Geosciences Union

Geological Society of America

Geological Society of London

International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics

National Association of Geoscience Teachers

American Meteorological Society

Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society

Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences

Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society

Royal Meteorological Society (UK)

World Meteorological Organization

American Quaternary Association

International Union for Quaternary Research

American Institute of Biological Sciences

American Society for Microbiology

American Astronomical Society


All of whom have reached the conclusions that human activities are a primary factor driving climate change.

But hey let's all pretend the people on the Shroomery who haven't spent a MINUTE in academia studying this stuff know better than these countless thousands of people because they can Google things which support their opinion.

Brilliant!

:rofl:



So post the fucking proof already if you have it.


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Offlineakira_akuma
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Re: Are you guys seeing this weather report?? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19149906 - 11/17/13 01:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

being a primary factor in "driving climate change" (which even the notion of which is ludicrous) doesn't mean that we should be dysfunctional and worry about how "these storms are clearly because of our way of life on Earth, so sad, us Humans". when you can't show that these storms are anything but a regular event in the weather. :shrug:

God, people can be so daft.

plus, to note, those institutions and organizations you posted, are all as politically motivated as anyone you're claiming to be, here. they have reasons and motive to claim that we should "worry". such as lobbying for money to fund projects, which in turn fund their employees. or lobbying for changes in legislation, to serve their agenda.

so trying to claim that their motives are pure, is stupid to say the least.


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Re: Are you guys seeing this weather report?? [Re: koods]
    #19149911 - 11/17/13 02:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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koods said:
Find me a global warming denier who isn't politically conservative, and I will suck his dick.





I voted NDP in the last election, and I am skeptical about human caused global warming.

Now, my question to you is: Are you mean people or nice people?


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Offlinechutney
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Re: Are you guys seeing this weather report?? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19149912 - 11/17/13 02:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Mush4Brains said:

So post the fucking proof already if you have it.





See earlier discussion.

"Proof" is subjective, and you don't want it to be proven so nothing will meet your qualifications of proof.

Nice try though.


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Re: Are you guys seeing this weather report?? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19149922 - 11/17/13 02:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Jesus fucking christ. Still no link to this "killer" storm? 7 pages of the G warming? Fucking tight ass hole...


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Offlinezappaisgod
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Re: Are you guys seeing this weather report?? [Re: chutney]
    #19149924 - 11/17/13 02:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

chutney said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:

So post the fucking proof already if you have it.





See earlier discussion.

"Proof" is subjective, and you don't want it to be proven so nothing will meet your qualifications of proof.

Nice try though.




http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2013/05/has-the-earth-experienced-statistically-significant-warming-since-the-late-19th-century.php


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Offlineakira_akuma
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Re: Are you guys seeing this weather report?? [Re: chutney]
    #19149929 - 11/17/13 02:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

chutney said:
Quote:

Mush4Brains said:

So post the fucking proof already if you have it.





See earlier discussion.

"Proof" is subjective, and you don't want it to be proven so nothing will meet your qualifications of proof.

Nice try though.



proof is not subjective.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%BCnchhausen_Trilemma

"proof" is an inherent quality. it's objectively deduced, as a way to exact a proportional effect from some source, and judge it's instance of inherent "provability" or in otherwords, truth.


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OfflineMush4Brains
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Re: Are you guys seeing this weather report?? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19149931 - 11/17/13 02:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
They did not produce they graph.  They published the graph




Yeah, it looks like it was produced by geocraft.com.  Sounds like a real reliable, and scientifically sound source.

Now you're posting powerlineblog?  More conservative sources?  Hmmmm... I'm starting to spot a trend here.


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Offlineakira_akuma
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Re: Are you guys seeing this weather report?? [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19149933 - 11/17/13 02:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

argue the position, or idea... not the person.


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OfflineMush4Brains
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Re: Are you guys seeing this weather report?? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19149943 - 11/17/13 02:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I don't debate climate-change deniers online.  They aren't looking for a debate, they're looking to stroke their egos and post the same bullshit over and over.  It's pathetically sad.


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Re: Are you guys seeing this weather report?? [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19149946 - 11/17/13 02:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Mush4Brains said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
They did not produce they graph.  They published the graph




Yeah, it looks like it was produced by geocraft.com.  Sounds like a real reliable, and scientifically sound source.

Now you're posting powerlineblog?  More conservative sources?  Hmmmm... I'm starting to spot a trend here.



They find the information.  Who do you use as an alerter?  DailyKos.


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Offlinechutney
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Re: Are you guys seeing this weather report?? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19149948 - 11/17/13 02:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

akira_akuma said:
being a primary factor in "driving climate change" (which even the notion of which is ludicrous) doesn't mean that we should be dysfunctional and worry about how "these storms are clearly because of our way of life on Earth, so sad, us Humans". when you can't show that these storms are anything but a regular event in the weather. :shrug:

God, people can be so daft.





I never said we should worry about storms or be "dysfunctional" (whatever you meant by that). Not at all. I'm not trying to spread hysteria whatsoever, so if you see that as my intention you've completely misread me. I'm simply trying to point out that the activity of billions of human beings and their technologies and fossil fuels ARE in fact having an impact on the atmosphere... if you wanna equate that to hysteria then go ahead but that's nothing more than you trying to make me seem dramatic to take away from what I'm saying.


Quote:

akira_akuma said:
so trying to claim that their motives are pure, is stupid to say the least.




Trying to deny everything they say and rob them of any and all credibility on the matter without even knowing what kind of work they do and the data and information they put out is even stupider.

ITS ALL A MASSIVE CONSPIRACY!

:rofl:

Like thats the most likely explanation. Occams razor


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OfflineMush4Brains
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Re: Are you guys seeing this weather report?? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19149954 - 11/17/13 02:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
They find the information.  Who do you use as an alerter?  DailyKos.




I haven't been to Daily Kos in a few weeks probably, and I definitely don't use them as a scientific source.  Why not take a look into scientific journals and websites designed to report on this kind of stuff instead of using politically biased websites for your bogus information?


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Re: Are you guys seeing this weather report?? [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19149955 - 11/17/13 02:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

yes, you do. you do, cause you just have been for the past while. only you've really sucked at it, so i guess it's suitable to proclaim that "you don't debate climate-change deniers". (even though there are none here; which just makes your denial and subsequent debating kinda fruitless and speculative to begin with)


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Re: Are you guys seeing this weather report?? [Re: chutney]
    #19149958 - 11/17/13 02:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

chutney said:
Quote:

akira_akuma said:
being a primary factor in "driving climate change" (which even the notion of which is ludicrous) doesn't mean that we should be dysfunctional and worry about how "these storms are clearly because of our way of life on Earth, so sad, us Humans". when you can't show that these storms are anything but a regular event in the weather. :shrug:

God, people can be so daft.





I never said we should worry about storms or be "dysfunctional" (whatever you meant by that). Not at all. I'm not trying to spread hysteria whatsoever, so if you see that as my intention you've completely misread me. I'm simply trying to point out that the activity of billions of human beings and their technologies and fossil fuels ARE in fact having an impact on the atmosphere... if you wanna equate that to hysteria then go ahead but that's nothing more than you trying to make me seem dramatic to take away from what I'm saying.


Quote:

akira_akuma said:
so trying to claim that their motives are pure, is stupid to say the least.




Trying to deny everything they say and rob them of any and all credibility on the matter without even knowing what kind of work they do and the data and information they put out is even stupider.

ITS ALL A MASSIVE CONSPIRACY!

:rofl:

Like thats the most likely explanation. Occams razor



no one is trying to do any of those things. you're making it out that way, because you're hearing opinions you don't like and getting kinda pissy.


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Offlinezappaisgod
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Re: Are you guys seeing this weather report?? [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19149966 - 11/17/13 02:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Mush4Brains said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
They find the information.  Who do you use as an alerter?  DailyKos.




I haven't been to Daily Kos in a few weeks probably, and I definitely don't use them as a scientific source.  Why not take a look into scientific journals and websites designed to report on this kind of stuff instead of using politically biased websites for your bogus information?




They aren't a scientific source.  They are a news source.  Please feel free to explain what is bogus about what I posted.  Thanks in advance.


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Re: Are you guys seeing this weather report?? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19149968 - 11/17/13 02:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

no one is trying to do any of those things. you're making it out that way, because you're hearing opinions you don't like and getting kinda pissy.




People who have a scientific background tend to get pissy when you try to have a scientific debate and the other side has little to know scientific evidence to support their point, so they start playing politics, pushing pseudo-science, and coming to terrible conclusions that aren't supported by the vast amounts of actual science that has been done on the subject.


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