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akira_akuma
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Re: Are you guys seeing this weather report?? [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19149553 - 11/17/13 12:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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no one is denying that climate change exists or that humans may have caused it...
Uh, that is exactly what Prisoner #1 and zappa are doing.
no, they aren't. they're providing rationale to explain how you guys have the idea that because humans caused an effect on the weather, due to "heat", that we'll all slowly making things worse and worse as indicated by weather patterns; and how you correlate that indication of worse weather patterns WITH HUMANS GLOBAL WARMING.
they don't buy your doomrants, and they understand that correlation, does not equal causation.
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akira_akuma
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Re: Are you guys seeing this weather report?? [Re: chutney]
#19149558 - 11/17/13 12:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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you people got to learn something (anything really) about how to pick your fights.
no one is denying that climate change exists or that humans may have caused it... people are however, asking for prove on how "things are only gonna get worse and we're DOOMED!"
explain that BULLSHIT, and maybe some of your detractors will listen to your drivel.
I see what you're saying man and I definitely agree. I was never here to spread gloom and doom, that was never my intention...
But these guys will NEVER listen to anything that runs counter to their opinions, no matter what. If you can't see that, then you might as well be out on the curb...
I genuinely mean that as non-offensively as possible btw.
well, i guess you can call them assholes for constantly putting up with the barrage of people trying to convince them that they're wrong about everything, and with no proof or evidence, even.
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zappaisgod
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Re: Are you guys seeing this weather report?? [Re: chutney]
#19149573 - 11/17/13 12:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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yet you can still provide nothing other than as zappa saud "nanny nanny boo boo"

Mod trying to provoke so he can get his power jollies off.
Just because he's a mod doesn't mean he can't slap intellectually bereft liars around in a thread.
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Prisoner#1
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Re: Are you guys seeing this weather report?? [Re: berdinwall]
#19149583 - 11/17/13 12:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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berdinwall said: Only thing I can certainly tell you is that Ive seen very noticeable changes when it comes to seasons starting and ending. Where as growing up seasons were ususlly right on time without the dramatic temperature spikes in between
in the 70s I remember snow in jacksonville, Fla, it went as far south as homestead
in the 20th century, 100 years, there were 20 reports of snowfall in florida in the 21st century, a mere 13 years, there's already been 12 reports. I remember cold and warm winters, same thing we're having now. this past summer has been exceptionally mild in georgia. do we blame cold weather on global warming too?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow_in_Florida#21st_century_.2812_reported_events.29
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Mush4Brains
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Re: Are you guys seeing this weather report?? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#19149585 - 11/17/13 12:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: lol... all you provide is conjecture, you cant produce facts because of what reason? oh, because the facts dont hold up to scrutiny and you're afraid you'll be proved wrong just as was done with the doran survey claiming 97% of climate scientists say global warming was caused by man
the reality. less than one percent made that claim but the numbers were reached by excluding those that didnt agree with the survey or simply laughed it off
I could produce evidence, but like I had said, you're not here for a real discussion. I'm not "afraid" I'll be "proved" wrong. You're simply here to get in people's faces and claim they're wrong just like you do on every controversial topic that is discussed.
If you want evidence you can find it here and here.
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in the 20th century, 100 years, there were 20 reports of snowfall in florida in the 21st century, a mere 13 years, there's already been 12 reports. I remember cold and warm winters, same thing we're having now. this past summer has been exceptionally mild in georgia. do we blame cold weather on global warming too?
Do you actually not understand even the basic principles of climate change, or just because it is snowing in Florida you claim that "global warming" is a big conspiracy?
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Re: Are you guys seeing this weather report?? [Re: chutney]
#19149595 - 11/17/13 12:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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you people got to learn something (anything really) about how to pick your fights.
no one is denying that climate change exists or that humans may have caused it... people are however, asking for prove on how "things are only gonna get worse and we're DOOMED!"
explain that BULLSHIT, and maybe some of your detractors will listen to your drivel.
I see what you're saying man and I definitely agree. I was never here to spread gloom and doom, that was never my intention...
But these guys will NEVER listen to anything that runs counter to their opinions, no matter what. If you can't see that, then you might as well be out on the curb...
I genuinely mean that as non-offensively as possible btw.
how would you know if we'd listen when you havent and actually refused to even try
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Re: Are you guys seeing this weather report?? [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19149598 - 11/17/13 12:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said: Do you actually not understand even the basic principles of climate change, or just because it is snowing in Florida you claim that "global warming" is a big conspiracy?
why dont you tell us all about it
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Re: Are you guys seeing this weather report?? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#19149604 - 11/17/13 12:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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"AT 135 PM CST...A CONFIRMED LARGE AND EXTREMELY DANGEROUS TORNADO WAS LOCATED NEAR BONE GAP...AND MOVING EAST AT 65 MPH. LARGE TORNADO REPORTED ON THE GROUND JUST WEST OF BONE GAP. THIS IS A PARTICULARLY DANGEROUS SITUATION. HAZARD...DAMAGING TORNADO. SOURCE...WEATHER SPOTTERS CONFIRMED TORNADO. IMPACT...YOU ARE IN A LIFE THREATENING SITUATION. MOBILE HOMES WILL BE DESTROYED. CONSIDERABLE DAMAGE TO HOMES...BUSINESSES AND VEHICLES IS LIKELY AND COMPLETE DESTRUCTION POSSIBLE. FLYING DEBRIS WILL BE DEADLY TO PEOPLE AND ANIMALS. EXPECT TREES TO BE UPROOTED OR SNAPPED. LOCATIONS IMPACTED INCLUDE... MOUNT CARMEL...LANCASTER...BELLMONT AND ALLENDALE. "
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koods
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Re: Are you guys seeing this weather report?? [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19149609 - 11/17/13 12:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Weather, ESPECIALLY the freaky stuff at the far ends of the bell curve, is the worst possible yardstick to measure climate.
The fact that Palm trees are permanently planted along the mall in Washington DC seems pretty fucking significant to me.
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zappaisgod
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Re: Are you guys seeing this weather report?? [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19149610 - 11/17/13 12:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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no one is denying that climate change exists or that humans may have caused it...
Uh, that is exactly what Prisoner #1 and zappa are doing.
No it isn't. I fully acknowledge that the climate is constantly changing. Good thing, too, or we'd have a snowball. Nor do I deny that human activity "may" (your word) have some effect. But if we are going to curtail or eliminate the single most important contributor to human prosperity for some questionable gains to alleviate something that may not be bad, well, you better bring some big ass proof. All we have as of now are computer models that have, not to put too fine a point on it, FUCKING BEEN WRONG!
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Re: Are you guys seeing this weather report?? [Re: koods]
#19149616 - 11/17/13 12:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have a sneaking suspicion that nobody would really notice if a tornado destroyed Bone Gap.
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Re: Are you guys seeing this weather report?? [Re: zappaisgod]
#19149617 - 11/17/13 12:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains
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Re: Are you guys seeing this weather report?? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#19149621 - 11/17/13 12:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: why dont you tell us all about it
You seem quite capable of finding things for yourself, seeing as you are apparently an intellectual heavyweight.
But, you don't want to actually find things that are contrary to your opinion.
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chutney
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Re: Are you guys seeing this weather report?? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#19149635 - 11/17/13 12:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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lol... all you provide is conjecture, you cant produce facts because of what reason? oh, because the facts dont hold up to scrutiny and you're afraid you'll be proved wrong just as was done with the doran survey claiming 97% of climate scientists say global warming was caused by man
the reality. less than one percent made that claim but the numbers were reached by excluding those that didnt agree with the survey or simply laughed it off
You are coming at it with ONLY the intention to debunk and disprove.
That is not the methodology of science. You already decided on the outcome you want, now all you gotta do is twist data to fit your conclusion so you can call it "real science".
Why do you keep asking why we aren't providing "facts"? Haven't we already explained that? Cherry picking Google to find links which support your pre-determined conclusion is not science, and it certainly isn't "providing facts". An objective and open mindset is a trait of all good scientists, and even when a conclusion HAS been reached, a willingness to accept emerging data which is at odds with the prevailing conclusion is the mark of a good scientist.
Years ago when I first heard about it, I didn't think global warming was being caused by humans... as the years went on and I started to hear more and more about the subject I realized I could either bite the bullet and accept the fact that my opinion was probably incorrect, or or continue to push my opinion and try to weasel around and twist any evidence I was shown so that I didn't have to admit I was mistaken. I quickly realized if I stuck to my opinion, I would have such an uphill battle attempting to deny and debunk this stuff. And at the end of the day, I just want the truth of the matter... stroking my ego by refusing to accept that I had been incorrect is just silly.
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Re: Are you guys seeing this weather report?? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#19149642 - 11/17/13 12:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Big_Dave said: Why is it a problem for everyone else. I still havent seen any negative consequences of global warming.
i would like an explanation to this as well, wasnt it warm in the middle ages, and when dinosaurs were around? how warm does it have to get to be dangerous to life its self, as opposed to our way of life?
in the past half million years there have been at least 5 warming periods like this

That picture isn't a good explination.
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Re: Are you guys seeing this weather report?? [Re: mindgnome]
#19149649 - 11/17/13 12:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I got two words for you guys...
Stink bugs.
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Re: Are you guys seeing this weather report?? [Re: Konyap]
#19149651 - 11/17/13 12:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Are you guys seeing this weather report?? [Re: koods]
#19149655 - 11/17/13 12:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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koods said: I got two words for you guys...
Stink bugs.
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Re: Are you guys seeing this weather report?? [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19149680 - 11/17/13 01:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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But, you don't want to actually find things that are contrary to your opinion.
Exactly.
Cherry picking Google for data which matches your pre-determined conclusion, ignoring everything which doesn't fit that conclusion, and masquerading around pretending you're doing "real science." 
I'm willing to admit that some aspects of climate change have been exaggerated and occasionally even propagandist. I'm also willing to admit that SOME of the scientists who are studying this may have an alternate agenda of their own which they seek to forward. But to say global warming is not directly correlated to human activity on this Earth is ignorant. Continuing to push that belief when the vast majority of academics studying this phenomenon worldwide have reached the same conclusions totally independent of one another is just stupid. To think that every single person across the globe who has spent countless thousands of hours studying this in academia or working with this phenomenon as a profession are bought and paid for, or do sloppy work, or have all conspired in secret to form the same conclusions just makes you completely delusional.
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