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Re: Kitty Litter Pasturisation Tek [Re: PussyFart]
    #19148388 - 11/17/13 03:55 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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But what I'm saying, it that the temp of the water will be 170*... Wouldn't it all eventually be 170*? Granted it would be faster to boil the water, but if things are submerged, wouldn't it all end up being 170?



Sure, eventually.....but by then a lot of the substrate would be "over pasteurized", in a sense.

Not really sure if it's possible to "over pasteurize", but I have not seen a single tek reccomend to keep the core in the proper temp range for more than 2 hours...



There must be a reason why 60-90 minutes is the recommended amount of pasteurization time and not 60-300 minutes......lol.

IDK....just sayin......I'm really tired and high right now.....the zombies are coming.......




I could set it at 170* for 12 hours if I wanted. It's not like the water is gonna boil off. Let's just say I have a LOT of free time, and I spend more time in my kitchen than in my bedroom. I've even started some inoculated grain jars steaming for 12 hours because I don't have a PC. I just want to know what I can and can't do with this hobby. I already started with a bag of shake, four 1 pt jars, plus a 10 gal aquarium, and don't want to push my luck without need.


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Re: Kitty Litter Pasturisation Tek [Re: OgreLokon]
    #19148393 - 11/17/13 03:58 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I already started with a bag of shake, four 1 pt jars, plus a 10 gal aquarium, and don't want to push my luck without need.



Not really sure what "shake" is, or what you are going to do with an aquarium in this hobby.......


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Re: Kitty Litter Pasturisation Tek [Re: PussyFart]
    #19148396 - 11/17/13 03:59 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Im guessing spores from the bottom of a bag
of purchased mushrooms?

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Re: Kitty Litter Pasturisation Tek [Re: PussyFart]
    #19148400 - 11/17/13 04:02 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Notahacker420 said:
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OgreLokon said:
I already started with a bag of shake, four 1 pt jars, plus a 10 gal aquarium, and don't want to push my luck without need.



Not really sure what "shake" is, or what you are going to do with an aquarium in this hobby.......




"shake" from a bag of mushrooms, and an "aquarium", as in my FC. I know neither was ideal, but it worked. I know my FC should be an SGFC, but it just can't be at the moment. I'd like to move to monotubs, but can in no sense afford a PC bigger than the one I currently have, and 4qt really sucks.


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Re: Kitty Litter Pasturisation Tek [Re: JMcDoogle]
    #19148401 - 11/17/13 04:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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JMcDoogle said:
Im guessing spores from the bottom of a bag
of purchased mushrooms?

:smbfacepalm:



:whathesaid:


Edited by OgreLokon (11/17/13 04:04 AM)


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Re: Kitty Litter Pasturisation Tek [Re: OgreLokon]
    #19148403 - 11/17/13 04:05 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

More power to ya bud!

Hope everything works!!!


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Re: Kitty Litter Pasturisation Tek [Re: OgreLokon]
    #19148407 - 11/17/13 04:08 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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OgreLokon said:
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Notahacker420 said:
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OgreLokon said:
I already started with a bag of shake, four 1 pt jars, plus a 10 gal aquarium, and don't want to push my luck without need.



Not really sure what "shake" is, or what you are going to do with an aquarium in this hobby.......




"shake" from a bag of mushrooms,



I really hope you plan on using agar if you plan to do anything but eating that shake....


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Re: Kitty Litter Pasturisation Tek [Re: JMcDoogle]
    #19148409 - 11/17/13 04:09 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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JMcDoogle said:
More power to ya bud!

Hope everything works!!!




Well, so far everything has. The first syringe I made from the shake took care of those four 1 oz jars nicely. I'm currently finishing the final flush from the 1/2 pt cakes that came from those spore prints. The way it's going so far, it seems simple, but I know that a lot of it is just dumb luck. So to me, 12 hours in the kitchen is nothing. It gives me more time to make sure it's taken care of. 45-60 min means I'm not sure if I'll have enough time to take care of it.


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Re: Kitty Litter Pasturisation Tek [Re: OgreLokon]
    #19148412 - 11/17/13 04:13 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

^

Yup,If it works, It Works!

Get some prints from those, and start with agar work.

If you need information on Agar you can PM me and I'll
tell ya how I got started, and where to look.

Also Search Function, top right works well to.


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Re: Kitty Litter Pasturisation Tek [Re: JMcDoogle]
    #19148414 - 11/17/13 04:15 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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JMcDoogle said:
^

Yup,If it works, It Works!

Get some prints from those, and start with agar work.

If you need information on Agar you can PM me and I'll
tell ya how I got started, and where to look.

Also Search Function, top right works well to.




I spend most of my free moments on the search tab. The only thing I'm currently lacking is a PC.  I even have my agar, and I'll definately keep that offer in mind once I have one.


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Re: Kitty Litter Pasturisation Tek [Re: OgreLokon]
    #19148419 - 11/17/13 04:19 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:thataintright:

chef and no pc?


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Re: Kitty Litter Pasturisation Tek [Re: OgreLokon]
    #19148422 - 11/17/13 04:20 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I'm just trying to make due with what I have. I understand that there is a right way and a wrong way, but I also know that other things work sometimes. I'm just trying to simplify my pasteurization once I get to it.


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Re: Kitty Litter Pasturisation Tek [Re: JMcDoogle]
    #19148423 - 11/17/13 04:20 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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JMcDoogle said:
:thataintright:

chef and no pc?




Not one bigger than 4 qt


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Re: Kitty Litter Pasturisation Tek [Re: OgreLokon]
    #19148432 - 11/17/13 04:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You're right, there is a right way, and a wrong way, and something
quite in the middle.

Like this method for pasteurization, I've not seen anything
quite like it, but if it works, than it works.


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Re: Kitty Litter Pasturisation Tek [Re: JMcDoogle]
    #19148472 - 11/17/13 04:43 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Thank you. I'll be sure to take notes with times and temps, and let Shroomery know how it went. I realize that it's not the most efficient way to do things for a lot of people, but some of us just need it relaxed.


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Re: Kitty Litter Pasturisation Tek [Re: OgreLokon]
    #19148508 - 11/17/13 05:23 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I just realized I left the thermometer inside of the Kitty Litter,

I took it off the stove about 45 mins ago - Was still 140'f inside,

Im sure this will work just fine.

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Re: Kitty Litter Pasturisation Tek [Re: JMcDoogle]
    #19148559 - 11/17/13 06:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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NAH.

What do you think about MY pasteurization method?

Seems simple enough right?

Put Sub into Big Ass Kitty Litter Box,
Put into PC with Water.
Monitor Internal Temperatures.
Reach 140'F
Allow 1-1 1/2 Hours of Time to Pass
Take Out Of Heat.


:mygoditsfullofstars:




If you did find that the centre of the sub was a few degrees cooler than the outside edge, couldn't you just mix once it has been brought up close to temperature since it's in a big kitty litter pail anyway? Then you'd balance your temperature throughout the sub and you could just maintain pasteurization temps with the PC after mixing.

Seems like the variables for heat penetration into the sub are going to be the density of the sub, the amount of water in it (should be field cap right?), the material of the container the sub is in and the volume and outside dimensions of that container. A quick mix after bringing it up to temp would get you to the right temp to hold it for 2 hours no?


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Re: Kitty Litter Pasturisation Tek [Re: urthtown]
    #19148571 - 11/17/13 06:22 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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If you did find that the centre of the sub was a few degrees cooler than the outside edge, couldn't you just mix once it has been brought up close to temperature since it's in a big kitty litter pail anyway? Then you'd balance your temperature throughout the sub and you could just maintain pasteurization temps with the PC after mixing.



Balancing the temperature is not needed....as the substrate cools the "beneficial micro-organisms" spread throughout the substrate rapidly.

The core is always going to be a tad cooler than the outside....you are heating it from the outside in....

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Seems like the variables for heat penetration into the sub are going to be the density of the sub, the amount of water in it (should be field cap right?), the material of the container the sub is in and the volume and outside dimensions of that container. A quick mix after bringing it up to temp would get you to the right temp to hold it for 2 hours no?



It should, but once the core temp is reached you can pretty much just shut off the heat anyways.....you do have to monitor it, but it should hold it's own...at least the way I do mine does.....I use gallon ziplocks in my PC to pasturize.....bring the core up to about 145F and kill the fire....it rises about 10-15 more degrees, holds there, and then starts to drop.

And hour into it and we are still at about 145F....seems to work just fine....fruiting my first 10 properly pasteurized tubs now....no visible contams as of yet, but we are still pre first flush....


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Re: Kitty Litter Pasturisation Tek [Re: PussyFart]
    #19148605 - 11/17/13 06:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quick off topic question, I can do that, its mine, mwahaha.

I went to break up my grains with an old lawnmower tire,
so I could soak in cold water for a few mins prior to
mixing with my coir...

I mean, it was impossible, it just turned them into cakes
inside the glass jar...

The grains were not at all " stuck together " pre-pc, post pc,
and pre-shake.

Not it seems I couldent break em apart with dynomite -

Anyone had this problem, guess ill use a fork...


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Re: Kitty Litter Pasturisation Tek [Re: JMcDoogle]
    #19148611 - 11/17/13 06:53 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

How long has the jar been fully colonized?

How does it smell?


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