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JMcDoogle
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Kitty Litter Pasturisation Tek
#19148290 - 11/17/13 02:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hello, I am JMcDoogle.
I do not advocate anyone in doing this. Its truly an experiment.
I have taken 1. 35 PND Tidy Cats Plastic PP5 Container and Submerged into my 23 qt Pressure Cooker, Fits Like a Glove. It is on top of a rack.
The contents inside are 1 Brick Coir 2.5 Quarts Verm 4.5 Quarts Water and tablespoon of granular gypsum.
This is currently underway, as in while I am posting this, the box is heating up to temperature slowly. I just thought you folks would like to enjoy a decent laugh. I will taking temperature readings on the top and middle of the sub, I'll inform you of the results later.
So, What do you guys think? Is this a viable method at achieving a properly pasteurized bulk substrate? I can easily monitor internal temperatures by looking into the container via the lid. I can easily fit 2 Bricks of Coir worth of material into this ( 2 66 Qt Monos Worth ) and probably more if I were to compact it. The plastic heats up, but does not become its own heater, its a thick plastic.
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Notahacker420 said: If it works it works....
If you can keep the internal temp between 140F and 170F for 60-90 minutes you are good.
I use the same kitty litter.....lol.

15-20 Mins Into Simmer
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Edited by JMcDoogle (11/17/13 03:34 AM)
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Re: Kitty Litter Pasturisation Tek [Re: JMcDoogle]
#19148311 - 11/17/13 03:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I vacuum seal the sub then put it in the pc at 165-175 for 2 hours. Reading the temp of the water
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Re: Kitty Litter Pasturisation Tek [Re: LiquidGlass]
#19148315 - 11/17/13 03:04 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Kitty Litter Pasturisation Tek [Re: LiquidGlass]
#19148317 - 11/17/13 03:06 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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LiquidGlass said: I vacuum seal the sub then put it in the pc at 165-175 for 2 hours. Reading the temp of the water
Why would you monitor the water temp when that is irrelevant?
You should be monitoring the internal core temp of the substrate, not the water.
The water is always going to be hotter than the internal core temp of the substrate, which is ok.
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Edited by PussyFart (11/17/13 03:07 AM)
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Re: Kitty Litter Pasturisation Tek [Re: PussyFart]
#19148321 - 11/17/13 03:11 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said:
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LiquidGlass said: I vacuum seal the sub then put it in the pc at 165-175 for 2 hours. Reading the temp of the water
Why would you monitor the water temp when that is irrelevant?
You should be monitoring the internal core temp of the substrate, not the water.
The water is always going to be hotter than the internal core temp of the substrate, which is ok.
Always? I ask because I have an induction cooker which gives me precise control over my temps. If I pasteurized at 170* wouldn't it end up being 170*? Even if it took a while?
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JMcDoogle
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Re: Kitty Litter Pasturisation Tek [Re: OgreLokon]
#19148324 - 11/17/13 03:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Its working better than I thought, seeing as I can fit 2 bricks of coir into this thing at once.
Anyone think Im an idiot?
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Re: Kitty Litter Pasturisation Tek [Re: OgreLokon]
#19148327 - 11/17/13 03:15 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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OgreLokon said: Always?
Yes....the water temp is not what matters....the substrates core temp is.
Look at any good pasteurization tek and it will say the same thing.....
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Re: Kitty Litter Pasturisation Tek [Re: PussyFart]
#19148332 - 11/17/13 03:20 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said:
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LiquidGlass said: I vacuum seal the sub then put it in the pc at 165-175 for 2 hours. Reading the temp of the water
Why would you monitor the water temp when that is irrelevant?
You should be monitoring the internal core temp of the substrate, not the water.
The water is always going to be hotter than the internal core temp of the substrate, which is ok.
I was doing the bucket tek before and did not really like it as I do not use bricks of coir and I use different amounts of sub sometimes. A while back I made a good friend and it turned out he grew mushrooms too, and he showed me this way.
I assume the temp being in the 165-175 range would make up for the water being hotter since pasteurization temps are a bit lower. i also think the 2 hour time period allows enough time for it to reach internal temp. There would be no way to test the internal temp because I would have to pierce the bag and that would let water in.
This method has worked for me for a long time and I am pretty satisfied with the results. I say, why fix it if it is not broken
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Re: Kitty Litter Pasturisation Tek [Re: LiquidGlass]
#19148338 - 11/17/13 03:24 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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LiquidGlass said: i also think the 2 hour time period allows enough time for it to reach internal temp. There would be no way to test the internal temp because I would have to pierce the bag and that would let water in.
Do not submerge the top of the bags...then no water can get in when you poke your tiny hole in the top of one of them.
You know what they say about assuming things.....
Monitor the internal temp, not the water.
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Edited by PussyFart (11/17/13 03:26 AM)
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Re: Kitty Litter Pasturisation Tek [Re: PussyFart]
#19148346 - 11/17/13 03:28 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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NAH.
What do you think about MY pasteurization method?
Seems simple enough right?
Put Sub into Big Ass Kitty Litter Box, Put into PC with Water. Monitor Internal Temperatures. Reach 140'F Allow 1-1 1/2 Hours of Time to Pass Take Out Of Heat.
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Re: Kitty Litter Pasturisation Tek [Re: JMcDoogle]
#19148351 - 11/17/13 03:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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If it works it works....
If you can keep the internal temp between 140F and 170F for 60-90 minutes you are good.
I use the same kitty litter.....lol.
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THIS HOBBY IS NOT FOR THE IMPATIENT! PLEASE BE PATIENT, DON'T BE A PATIENT! A Tale of 10 Isolates, GT Cluster Clone Monotubs, RR's Let's Grow Mushrooms DVD, SGFC(Shotgun Fruiting Chamber), Monotub Tek, Damion5050's Coir Tek, TL's Tek List, Frank's Tek List, EvilMushroom666's Pasteurization Tek, How It Should & Shouldn't Look - NEW CULTIVATORS GUIDE *** *** AFGHAN KUSH GROW LOG *** ***
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Re: Kitty Litter Pasturisation Tek [Re: PussyFart]
#19148354 - 11/17/13 03:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said: If it works it works....
If you can keep the internal temp between 140F and 170F for 60-90 minutes you are good.
I use the same kitty litter.....lol.
 
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Re: Kitty Litter Pasturisation Tek [Re: PussyFart]
#19148360 - 11/17/13 03:34 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said:
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LiquidGlass said: i also think the 2 hour time period allows enough time for it to reach internal temp. There would be no way to test the internal temp because I would have to pierce the bag and that would let water in.
Do not submerge the top of the bags...then no water can get in when you poke your tiny hole in the top of one of them.
You know what they say about assuming things.....
Monitor the internal temp, not the water.
I do know what they say about assuming things, but with the results I have and how long I have been doing, it is safe for me to assume it is a good method. If I ever got any contams before the first flush I might reconsider my method. This way works the best for me and with the least amount of hassle
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Re: Kitty Litter Pasturisation Tek [Re: LiquidGlass]
#19148361 - 11/17/13 03:35 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Bahaha. I've got the NAH seal of approval.
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Re: Kitty Litter Pasturisation Tek [Re: LiquidGlass]
#19148363 - 11/17/13 03:36 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I know bro.....I was just sayin.....
Like I said, if it works it works.....
There is still something about not knowing what the core temp is that irks me....lol.
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Re: Kitty Litter Pasturisation Tek [Re: JMcDoogle]
#19148364 - 11/17/13 03:37 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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JMcDoogle said: Bahaha. I've got the NAH seal of approval.

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Re: Kitty Litter Pasturisation Tek [Re: PussyFart]
#19148366 - 11/17/13 03:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said:
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OgreLokon said: Always?
Yes....the water temp is not what matters....the substrates core temp is.
Look at any good pasteurization tek and it will say the same thing.....
But what I'm saying, is that the temp of the water will be 170*... Wouldn't it all eventually be 170*? Granted it would be faster to boil the water, but if things are submerged, wouldn't it all end up being 170*?
Or is pastueurization some thing as steaming BEF jars, where the water doesn't come in contact with it? I'm an amateur chef, and have ALL the sweet cooking toys, and have been wondering how I can mesh the two (I'm also a homebrewer, and cooking really helps with that as well). The amount of time dealing with the kitchen is irrelevant to me, since I'm paying attention to 100 things at once anyway. I'm just looking for ways to make things more precise once I transition from cakes to tubs.
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Re: Kitty Litter Pasturisation Tek [Re: PussyFart]
#19148368 - 11/17/13 03:40 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Looks like you are ready for the zombie apocalypse with the neon green taped weapons. I have only one gun, but plan on getting more. I go shooting all the time though
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Re: Kitty Litter Pasturisation Tek [Re: OgreLokon]
#19148377 - 11/17/13 03:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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OgreLokon said: But what I'm saying, it that the temp of the water will be 170*... Wouldn't it all eventually be 170*? Granted it would be faster to boil the water, but if things are submerged, wouldn't it all end up being 170?
Sure, eventually.....but by then a lot of the substrate would be "over pasteurized", in a sense.
Not really sure if it's possible to "over pasteurize", but I have not seen a single tek reccomend to keep the core in the proper temp range for more than 2 hours...
There must be a reason why 60-90 minutes is the recommended amount of pasteurization time and not 60-300 minutes......lol.
IDK....just sayin......I'm really tired and high right now.....the zombies are coming.......
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Re: Kitty Litter Pasturisation Tek [Re: PussyFart]
#19148378 - 11/17/13 03:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Im onto something.
I can feel it.
23 + Qt PC Folks and Cat Owners...
UNITE!
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