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Re: Kitty Litter Pasturisation Tek [Re: PussyFart]
    #19148616 - 11/17/13 06:56 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

All smell great, fully colonized for a day or so,

There was some aerial myc, it wanted out. I smelled each before
I filled with moderately cold tap water. Best soak possible perhaps.


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Re: Kitty Litter Pasturisation Tek [Re: JMcDoogle]
    #19148689 - 11/17/13 07:58 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

wait. Are you saying that if I take my kitty poo kitty litter, jar it, sterilize, and inoculate, that not only mushrooms will grow in it but psilocybe cubensis or another common halluc will?


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Re: Kitty Litter Pasturisation Tek [Re: ScriabinAnime]
    #19148699 - 11/17/13 08:06 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Smh


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Re: Kitty Litter Pasturisation Tek [Re: ScriabinAnime]
    #19148705 - 11/17/13 08:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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wait. Are you saying that if I take my kitty poo kitty litter, jar it, sterilize, and inoculate, that not only mushrooms will grow in it but psilocybe cubensis or another common halluc will?





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Re: Kitty Litter Pasturisation Tek [Re: ScriabinAnime]
    #19148759 - 11/17/13 08:40 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Hello, I am JMcDoogle.

I do not advocate anyone in doing this. Its truly an experiment.

I have taken 1. 35 PND Tidy Cats Plastic PP5 Container and Submerged
into my 23 qt Pressure Cooker, Fits Like a Glove. It is on top of a rack.

The contents inside are 1 Brick Coir 2.5 Quarts Verm 4.5 Quarts Water and tablespoon of granular gypsum.

This is currently underway, as in while I am posting this, the box is heating up to temperature slowly. I just thought you folks would like
to enjoy a decent laugh. I will taking temperature readings on the top and middle of the sub, I'll inform you of the results later.

So, What do you guys think? Is this a viable method at achieving
a properly pasteurized bulk substrate? I can easily monitor internal
temperatures by looking into the container via the lid.
I can easily fit 2 Bricks of Coir worth of material into this ( 2 66 Qt Monos Worth )
and probably more if I were to compact it. The plastic heats up,
but does not become its own heater, its a thick plastic.

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If it works it works....

If you can keep the internal temp between 140F and 170F for 60-90 minutes you are good.

I use the same kitty litter.....lol.







15-20 Mins Into Simmer





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wait. Are you saying that if I take my kitty poo kitty litter, jar it, sterilize, and inoculate, that not only mushrooms will grow in it but psilocybe cubensis or another common halluc will?




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I have taken 1. 35 PND Tidy Cats Plastic PP5 Container and Submerged
into my 23 qt Pressure Cooker, Fits Like a Glove. It is on top of a rack.

The contents inside are 1 Brick Coir 2.5 Quarts Verm 4.5 Quarts Water and tablespoon of granular gypsum.




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Re: Kitty Litter Pasturisation Tek [Re: PussyFart]
    #19148768 - 11/17/13 08:44 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Wouldn't that mean I'm stupid if I wasn't serious


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Re: Kitty Litter Pasturisation Tek [Re: ScriabinAnime]
    #19148783 - 11/17/13 08:49 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

No....

Ambitious, perhaps.


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Re: Kitty Litter Pasturisation Tek [Re: JMcDoogle]
    #19158476 - 11/19/13 06:59 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

So far so good! No Signs of Contams
And the Moisture content is great!

I'll update in a few days when I see full colonization!


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Re: Kitty Litter Pasturisation Tek [Re: ScriabinAnime]
    #19158618 - 11/19/13 08:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Wouldn't that mean I'm stupid if I wasn't serious




Yes, I agree with you Anime.
That photo should be rephrased as Can't tell if he's Joking / or really stupid.
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this one made me laugh just a min ago.



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Re: Kitty Litter Pasturisation Tek [Re: PussyFart]
    #19171445 - 11/21/13 05:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

ME ME ME... I think your an idiot!  But your our idiot and we love you :aweohyou:


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Re: Kitty Litter Pasturisation Tek [Re: Sockadin]
    #19198408 - 11/27/13 09:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Kitty Litter Pasturisation Tek [Re: ScriabinAnime]
    #19198421 - 11/27/13 09:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I was thinking that once I'd have a cat, I would PC the poo it and inoculate with like 5 different spores and see if any kick off; hopefully even one does


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Re: Kitty Litter Pasturisation Tek [Re: ScriabinAnime]
    #19198641 - 11/27/13 10:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I guess I'm going to have to start buying the cat litter that comes in the big tubs. I always get the 14 lb card board boxes because they're the biggest ones I can get at the local grocer.

JM Whenever I scroll past your sig it is impossible to not be mesmerized by your poodle workout video for at least a few play-throughs.

Liquid I like your idea of a completely submerged substrate reaching homogenous temperature with accurately temped water.  It seems superior than risking the possibility that the outside edges of your substrate may get sterilized in boiling water.  At least with your method you'll know for a fact that the internal temp never rose above 170


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Re: Kitty Litter Pasturisation Tek [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19198840 - 11/27/13 11:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Liquid I like your idea of a completely submerged substrate reaching homogenous temperature with accurately temped water.  It seems superior than risking the possibility that the outside edges of your substrate may get sterilized in boiling water.  At least with your method you'll know for a fact that the internal temp never rose above 170




Except that the CORE substrate temp is the only temp that matters.

Partial sterilization is not sterilizing part of the substrate. It is when the core of the substrate is held above 170F for too long.

You are wasting lots of time keeping the water from boiling. Just let it boil. The outer edges temp does not matter. Make sure the core temp does not exceed 170F and you are golden.

Yes, I promise. I pasteurize every single substrate with this method (in a bag) and the water boils every time. Hpoo, coir, whatever, it works great. In fact, I have some subs going right now, and the water is boiling like crazy :thumbup:



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Re: Kitty Litter Pasturisation Tek [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19200888 - 11/28/13 01:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Liquid I like your idea of a completely submerged substrate reaching homogenous temperature with accurately temped water.  It seems superior than risking the possibility that the outside edges of your substrate may get sterilized in boiling water.  At least with your method you'll know for a fact that the internal temp never rose above 170




Except that the CORE substrate temp is the only temp that matters.

Partial sterilization is not sterilizing part of the substrate. It is when the core of the substrate is held above 170F for too long.

You are wasting lots of time keeping the water from boiling. Just let it boil. The outer edges temp does not matter. Make sure the core temp does not exceed 170F and you are golden.

Yes, I promise. I pasteurize every single substrate with this method (in a bag) and the water boils every time. Hpoo, coir, whatever, it works great. In fact, I have some subs going right now, and the water is boiling like crazy :thumbup:




It works because the CORE of the substrate still contains living specimens of the beneficial microbes, and mixing the substrate will spread them all-over the substrate, where they'll spread to occupy the partially-sterilized substrate.
Yes, it works. Yes, that's the main thing that matters.
But it's not the only thing.

Truthfully you are "partially sterilizing" the outer periphery of the substrate mass, but you haven't "partially sterilized (all of) the substrate" unless the core has also gone above 170°F for too long.
That's why you say what you do, and that's why it seems to align with the facts, but what you're saying doesn't directly align with the facts.

Keeping ALL of the substrate in the 140-165°F range makes ALL of the substrate just like the "core"
would be in your example.

If it's important and ideal to make sure the core doesn't reach/exceed 170°F, then of course the same thing would apply to all substrate mass.


When I used bulk substrates I regularly lost them too-soon despite doing your idea of proper pasteurization.
After I began controlling the water bath temps (based on seeing seemingly uncanny success of grows with substrates pasteurized by controlled composting warmth) my failure rate subsided somewhat.


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Re: Kitty Litter Pasturisation Tek [Re: Violet]
    #19200899 - 11/28/13 01:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

If you are saying that the outer edges must be kept under 170F, you are wrong :shrug:

Notice how in RR's video his water is boiling away. It works just fine. This has been discussed at length on here.

The beneficial microbes flourishing in the center @ 140-160F will grow and spread while the substrate cools.

It will spread again when you spawn to the substrate.

This is proper pasteurization.


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Re: Kitty Litter Pasturisation Tek [Re: Violet]
    #19200925 - 11/28/13 01:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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If you are saying that the outer edges need to be kept under 170F, you are wrong.



Did you read?
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Violet said:
Yes, it works.



What I'm saying is that keeping temps under 170 not only certainly doesn't hurt but that it sure could help more than "boil away" advice would.

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The beneficial microbes flourishing in the center @ 140-160F will grow and spread while the substrate cools.
It will spread again when you spawn to the substrate.



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It works because the CORE of the substrate still contains living specimens of the beneficial microbes, and mixing the substrate will spread them all-over the substrate, where they'll spread to occupy the partially-sterilized substrate.





Keeping controlled temperatures reduced my contam rates, and less statistically noticeably but more importantly it oft delayed contams when they occurred.  Plus, using the water's heat qualities instead of just as a heat-conducting material took some of the energy weight off of the stove.
"Boil away" is not the best advice.


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Re: Kitty Litter Pasturisation Tek [Re: Violet]
    #19200946 - 11/28/13 01:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

"Boil away" works perfectly fine. Using his videos as another example, RR just turns his stove on high to boil his water for pasteurizing.

The key is knowing when to turn the heat off (for example, I turn my heat off when the core substrate temp is at 88F) and I detail this in my proper pasteurization write up :thumbup:


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Re: Kitty Litter Pasturisation Tek [Re: JMcDoogle]
    #19242154 - 12/07/13 06:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

that's a nice little trick. i'd mod it.

drill a hole through the top of lid and use one these:


borrowed from Frank

to keep temps in line. run the probe in the center of it.


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Re: Kitty Litter Pasturisation Tek [Re: Yuri.Pono]
    #19321472 - 12/24/13 02:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Keeping your pasteurizing sub in ideal temp range 140-160 for way too long will kill all the good microbes and partially sterilize

I like the kitty litter idea, I Don't have a cat so I will use a 5 gal bucket.
If it works I will love it, I am tired of bags getting weak and popping, flooding my substrate


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