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Re: Making Stuff Colder. [Re: Schmendrick]
    #19148215 - 11/17/13 02:01 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

When did Lion King come into this conversation?
Did I strike a nerve or something to merit two replies to one question? :smirk:

Like it or not we are part of the cycle of life. That doesn't mean you have to extend it as long as possible and try to avoid the inevitable. It also means I'm not in any rush to try and end it prematurely for no reason. Self preservation is a natural instinct of course. But I accept that death will occur. I'm not in any rush to make it happen, but I'm also not going to cling to some unrealistic notion of reality to try and drag it out as long as possible either. I'd rather live a long and eventful life by being healthy and having awesome times. But when my time comes it comes.

In terms of the afterlife or whether such a thing exists, it's foolish to think you have the ultimate answer one way or another so we'll just leave it at that.

I wasn't talking about Lion King. I was referring the cyclical nature of all things in reality and the observable Universe...quantum physics or whatever you want. What goes up must come down. Energy cannot be created nor destroyed merely converted to another form. You say worm food, I say that consciousness is more than physicality. All that matters is that you live an eventful life, whatever that may be for you. We are all on different paths. So if you want to be cryogenically frozen, go for it. But don't assume the grass is always going to be greener, you create your own reality for the most part.


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Re: Making Stuff Colder. [Re: Shroomism]
    #19148223 - 11/17/13 02:05 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

yea life and death are both part of it all but id like to live to see the future and or live as long as possible to enjoy what i have now as much as possible i doubt there will be much when i am dead and i am sur in the future people will live to be very old so freeze me please..


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Re: Making Stuff Colder. [Re: lighthouse09]
    #19148227 - 11/17/13 02:08 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I'd rather live a long life by being healthy, eating super foods and controlling my health with my mind. But if you want to get frozen that's cool too.


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Re: Making Stuff Colder. [Re: Shroomism]
    #19148231 - 11/17/13 02:13 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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When did Lion King come into this conversation?
Did I strike a nerve or something to merit two replies to one question? :smirk:

Like it or not we are part of the cycle of life. That doesn't mean you have to extend it as long as possible and try to avoid the inevitable. It also means I'm not in any rush to try and end it prematurely for no reason. Self preservation is a natural instinct of course. But I accept that death will occur. I'm not in any rush to make it happen, but I'm also not going to cling to some unrealistic notion of reality to try and drag it out as long as possible either. I'd rather live a long and eventful life by being healthy and having awesome times. But when my time comes it comes.

In terms of the afterlife or whether such a thing exists, it's foolish to think you have the ultimate answer one way or another so we'll just leave it at that.

I wasn't talking about Lion King. I was referring the cyclical nature of all things in reality and the observable Universe...quantum physics or whatever you want. What goes up must come down. Energy cannot be created nor destroyed merely converted to another form. You say worm food, I say that consciousness is more than physicality. All that matters is that you live an eventful life, whatever that may be for you. We are all on different paths. So if you want to be cryogenically frozen, go for it. But don't assume the grass is always going to be greener, you create your own reality for the most part.





Did you strike a nerve?  Honestly, yes.  I am, of course, afraid of the unknown, and death is the ultimate unknown.

I do not really mean to be so confrontational about these these things, my hero is Carl Sagan who could listen to the most unabashed nonsense and bullshit calmly, smiling the whole time, waiting for his turn to speak and then simply reply "well... maybe." and leave it at that.  He knew how to pick his battles.

But I am not him, damnit, no matter how hard I try, I cannot listen to what I perceive to be ludicrous nonsense and just be at peace with it.  It boils my blood.

Anyway, sorry about all that. Those who chose to watch the episode should be finishing it about now, and I will be interested to see what they have to say.


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Re: Making Stuff Colder. [Re: Schmendrick]
    #19148250 - 11/17/13 02:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Does the unknown emptiness of deep sleep scare you?
It's not so different from death.


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Re: Making Stuff Colder. [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #19148254 - 11/17/13 02:28 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Does the unknown emptiness of deep sleep scare you?
It's not so different from death.




I have a reasonable assumption that I will wake up on the other side, so no it doesn't scare me.  Besides, I like dreaming.  Some of my best ideas come through dreams.  The subconscious can be a very useful tool for learning.

If I had severe sleep apnea or some other sleep-related ailment which meant I might never come back, then yes, I would be afraid to go to sleep.


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Re: Making Stuff Colder. [Re: Schmendrick]
    #19148259 - 11/17/13 02:29 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Dreams and deep sleep aren't the same thing


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Re: Making Stuff Colder. [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #19148260 - 11/17/13 02:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Dreams and deep sleep aren't the same thing




Yes, I know, and I do understand your point and agree with it.  I was just fine for the billions of years before my death, and I will be just fine for the billions upon billions after.  It does not change the fact that I enjoy it here, I have no assurances of continuance of consciousness after death, and until that changes, I will do everything in my power to lengthen what time I have.


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    #19148263 - 11/17/13 02:33 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The problem is not death but your attachment to life.
Rather than fortifying your complex of craving and aversion, why not deconstruct it so you may pass on into death with peace?


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Re: Making Stuff Colder. [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #19148277 - 11/17/13 02:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

because hedonism feelsgoodman


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Re: Making Stuff Colder. [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #19148278 - 11/17/13 02:40 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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The problem is not death but your attachment to life.
Rather than fortifying your complex of craving and aversion, why not deconstruct it so you may pass on into death with peace?




LOL @ being too attached to life.  That's a good one.

Regarding the rest:  I do not have an unhealthy aversion to death; It does not dominate my thoughts on a daily basis.  In fact, I can only identify good things that have come about from deciding that I want to live as close to forever as possible:  I quit smoking, replaced coffee with tea, started actually drinking as much water on a daily basis as is recommended, cut back on red meat, started eating a lot more fish which I enjoy, I have become a very defensive driver..  I could go on.

Don't try to psychoanalyze me please.  I am quite mentally healthy and at peace with the universe and my place within it.  I just get a bit miffed when people start claiming they know things that they do not, in fact know; like life after death, higher planes of consciousness, etc.

Just because you 'feel something really deeply, man'  does NOT mean it's true.


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Re: Making Stuff Colder. [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #19148280 - 11/17/13 02:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

death with peace sounds like an oxymoron unless you want to die which could happen once you know your gonna die but up till then fuck death!!
anything is possible


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Re: Making Stuff Colder. [Re: lighthouse09]
    #19148289 - 11/17/13 02:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I really and truly feel awful for folks who fear nature/life.
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Re: Making Stuff Colder. [Re: lighthouse09]
    #19148291 - 11/17/13 02:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

If I need to clarify: attachment to the preservation of your life.
Living forever in the foreseeable future; you forget the present moment and thus lose the ability to take control of your actions, as your fear of a shortened lifespan is what controls you now.

I'm not psychoanalyzing you. I'm psychoanalyzing myself. We all carry the same complexes within us.
Some just feed them more than others.


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Re: Making Stuff Colder. [Re: lighthouse09]
    #19148298 - 11/17/13 02:53 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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death with peace sounds like an oxymoron unless you want to die which could happen once you know your gonna die but up till then fuck death!!
anything is possible



Dying and death are different.
Dying is the process which we reach death, usually with great pain.
Death is what arises as the dust settles.
It's your last picture of yourself.


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Re: Making Stuff Colder. [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #19148313 - 11/17/13 03:04 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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If I need to clarify: attachment to the preservation of your life.
Living forever in the foreseeable future; you forget the present moment and thus lose the ability to take control of your actions, as your fear of a shortened lifespan is what controls you now.

I'm not psychoanalyzing you. I'm psychoanalyzing myself. We all carry the same complexes within us.
Some just feed them more than others.





I have no fear of a shortened lifespan.  I have a fear that a normal lifespan may not be enough for me to really make any kind of difference.  What will people remember after I am gone?  Will the universe care?  I am a single human among 7 billion on this planet, our planet is one of hundreds of billions within our galaxy alone, and new research (via the Kepler satellite) shows that as many as 1 in five stars in the Milky Way has a small rocky planet like our earth in it's Goldilocks zone... and the Milky Way is only one of  close to a trillion in the universe.

I ask you this one simple question:  What is the true meaning of life?  Other than reproducing (obviously), I personally think it is to bring joy to other life.  I have a hard time swatting flies because I hold this to be true.  I found a scorpion in my bed once which had crawled through the window, up into the bed, and got tangled in the sheets.  I picked it up in a jar and put it outside.  I almost punched a cable repair man in the face because he so callously smashed a mother Wolf Spider with babies on it's back while he was out here to do the initial install.

But the earth is such a small speck.  What grand purpose is to be had here? Even if I were to foster wellbeing in every life-form on this planet,  it will die and be burnt to ash by our expanding, dying sun a mere 5 billion years hence.  What then of my grand gestures on Earth?  The universe will neither know nor care what happened on this isolated planet orbiting a small, nondescript star in the Orion spiral arm of the Milky Way galaxy so long ago.

Seeking true meaning in the absence of spirituality is a tough road indeed.  The only true meaning is one which lasts, and to make a lasting impression on this universe requires more time than humans have been naturally allotted.


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Re: Making Stuff Colder. [Re: Schmendrick]
    #19148370 - 11/17/13 03:42 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

There is no true meaning to life, because that implies that "truth" and "meaning" exist outside of perception.
In ultimate reality there is only change.


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Re: Making Stuff Colder. [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #19149693 - 11/17/13 01:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Copying this from another thread, but I think it is very relevant to the given topic:
http://www.novaspivack.com/uncategorized/consciousness-is-not-a-computation-2


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Re: Making Stuff Colder. [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #19149763 - 11/17/13 01:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Because I am an atheist, I don't believe in silly myths about an afterlife or souls. 

I want to see what humanity is really capable of once we move past our petty hatred for each other, stop being ruled by iron age mythology and really embrace science.






Another spiteful atheist who thinks that refuting religion refutes all spirituality by proxy.
How original :rolleyes:



The only spite in that discourse was on your end, pillar. 

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Your focusing on the wrong things. It's about the eternal moment that is now.
Not the fear of nonexistence.

If you've ever fully experienced ego death then you know what it's like to shed your self and become one with everything.
It feels good, and there's nothing to be afraid of about it.


That being said; energy is neither created nor destroyed, and we have a poor understanding to the origin of sentience.
Much of western society operates on the belief that awareness stems from the brain, as does the entirety of our consciousness; but this is as much an assumption of the medical community as the previously held belief that homosexuality is a neurosis of the mind. Science hasn't come far enough to fully understand the depths of our consciousness, but looking at the implications of some of our newer developments (quantum mechanics and quantum physics), we clearly know very little about reality.




All evidence points to the fact that consciousness is a manifestation of the physical brain, and nothing more. I've never understood the logic of someone taking a drug that specifically alters the fuction of the brain, then claiming that said drug has shown them the oneness of the universe. Guess what, that's how consciousness works... You tweak some neurons and boom consciousness expands. Of course, nothing changed except the way some ordinary neurons worked.


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Re: Making Stuff Colder. [Re: koods]
    #19149806 - 11/17/13 01:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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All evidence points to the fact that consciousness is a manifestation of the physical brain, and nothing more. I've never understood the logic of someone taking a drug that specifically alters the fuction of the brain, then claiming that said drug has shown them the oneness of the universe. Guess what, that's how consciousness works... You tweak some neurons and boom consciousness expands. Of course, nothing changed except the way some ordinary neurons worked.




What evidence is that?
As far as I am aware, the brain has been proven to be the source of our cognition, but there is no evidence for the source of self-awareness.
It is a phenomenon that currently has no proven explanation.


And I'm sorry if my original comments were brash, but this has become a tiresome theme in our society.


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