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droec
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In reference to jars drying slighty after PC
#19148192 - 11/17/13 01:47 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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In my experience when I take my quarts jars of WBS out of the pressure cooker, they will look slightly more wet than optimal. Maybe even so much as to have a small amount of water pooled at the bottom. I gently shake them to redistribute what moisture may be in the jar. Rarely do I have much standing water after a shake. Within a few hours or overnight the moisture seems to dry up somewhat and I am left with jars that I have had very good success with thus far, even when I have been pretty sloppy.
However my problem is that I usually take the jars out of the cooker right after it has cooled to room temperature. I then remove the foil, shake them, and wait overnight before using them. For this pressure cook cycle I had to allow the jars to sit in the pressure cooker overnight and well past reaching room temperature. When I removed the jars they still had the slight over moisture problem with a small amount of standing water. I shook them up a bit, they sat for a few hours and I inoculated them each with about 1cc of multiple MSs. However they still seemed slightly wet throughout and at the bottom. I wouldn't be really worried if they were G2Gs but I goofed for the MS jars. No bueno.
I guess my question (sorry for rambling) is: Is the slight drying effect of taking spawn jars out of a pressure cooker the result of the temperature change taking place inside the jars or the gas exchange that is allowed after they have been taken out of the sealed PC?
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Re: In reference to jars drying slighty after PC [Re: droec]
#19148209 - 11/17/13 01:58 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I like to think I am doing something a bit like you.
I prepare the wbs by straining until super clean - than soaking for a strict 22 hours, dont ask why 22, I just do it for some reason...
I pour the wbs, pungent slimey water and all into my 23 qt pressure cooker, I prepare so much wbs it normally fills all the way to the top leaving only an inch or so left,
So Simmering requires a lot of time, and a lot of stirring to avoid burnt grains at the bottom, but it gets the job done.
After simmer, I place sliding door screen over a large tub, and tie it down with zip-ties. I than take a strainer and strain the grains from the pot, onto the screen, pour the last bit of water/grain from the pc onto a strainer, and put on the remainder.
I leave it be for about 20 mins, than I stir with a wooden spoon a couple times, every 15 mins or so.. leave for an hour, and they do seem to be quite wet. Even so when putting into jars.
Heres where my unconventional methods arive, I pc for the proper amount of time at 15-16 psi leaving no room for contams, as soon as the time is up, I take off the burner, let cool for a few mins, than I allow the pressure to naturally drop down to 2-5 pounds, I than relieve the excess pressure quickly.
I do this because I am normally pcing overnight after work with the following day off-work and have 20-40-60 jars to do, so I cant wait that long for temps to drop. I pull the glass out, boiling water still using towells, shake, put back into the cardboard the jars came in, and then I stick them in the dishwasher,
They're cool in about four hours, but I believe during that four hours, the grains steam themselves dry, Its a pressure thing, hot air on the inside, cool air on the outside.. it tries to escape.
I believe what I just typed will make little to no sense, and everyone who read this will be just a little bit dumber, but it works wonders for me.
Who knows, maybe I stumbled onto something. And No, the quick release of pressure has not cracked one jar, or left me with any exploded grains. Just really sensitive nearly burnt hands after the boiling hot jars are shaken lol.
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Re: In reference to jars drying slighty after PC [Re: JMcDoogle]
#19148222 - 11/17/13 02:04 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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JMcDoogle said: Heres where my unconventional methods arive, I pc for the proper amount of time at 15-16 psi leaving no room for contams, as soon as the time is up, I take off the burner, let cool for a few mins, than I allow the pressure to naturally drop down to 2-5 pounds, I than relieve the excess pressure quickly.
I do this because I am normally pcing overnight and have 20-40 jars to do, so I cant wait that long for temps to drop.
It only takes about 30 minutes for the pressure to drop naturally.
Much safer just to wait....when you release pressure from the PC, moisture comes out of the jars as well....they are all at the same pressure...
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JMcDoogle said: And No, the quick release of pressure has not cracked one jar, or left me with any exploded grains.
But this is still not good practice....let the PC naturally depressurize....it makes no sense to rush this step...
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Re: In reference to jars drying slighty after PC [Re: PussyFart]
#19148264 - 11/17/13 02:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Definitely didn't realease pressure. Have had really bad results with that a couple years ago. Not dangerous results, just inconsistent success.I see what you are saying though and I understand the scheduling thing. What I am more worried about is that I used these jars for multi-spores, adding slightly more water to them. I guess I forgot to mention I won't be able to see the jars for a week or so, so I am worried about them, lol.
I didn't get to see if they would slightly dry up some overnight after being out of the pressure cooker for more than just a few hours or if they really were just too wet. I wasn't sure if the extra moisture build up in a jar that I see when unloading is a temperature thing or a gas/air thing. I was trying to make it more of a post concerning that question, rather than a ARE MY JARS GOING TO BE OK post. But I am realizing that is exactly what I did the more I talk.
Hopefully they'll dry slightly and I am just over reacting.
Thanks for help and replies. And with the quickness btw.
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Re: In reference to jars drying slighty after PC [Re: PussyFart]
#19148281 - 11/17/13 02:41 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said:
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JMcDoogle said: Heres where my unconventional methods arive, I pc for the proper amount of time at 15-16 psi leaving no room for contams, as soon as the time is up, I take off the burner, let cool for a few mins, than I allow the pressure to naturally drop down to 2-5 pounds, I than relieve the excess pressure quickly.
I do this because I am normally pcing overnight and have 20-40 jars to do, so I cant wait that long for temps to drop.
It only takes about 30 minutes for the pressure to drop naturally.
Much safer just to wait....when you release pressure from the PC, moisture comes out of the jars as well....they are all at the same pressure...
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JMcDoogle said: And No, the quick release of pressure has not cracked one jar, or left me with any exploded grains.
But this is still not good practice....let the PC naturally depressurize....it makes no sense to rush this step...
Exatly! I think the fact that I release the last 2-5 Pounds of pressure quickly is the reason why I got await with my " on the wet side " grains, when releasing the pressure, a bit of that moisture is derrived from the containers, furthermore the quick taking out of the pc while still very hot, instead of allowing them to cool isnide overnight, allows even more moisture to escape from the jars.
I'd never expect wet grains to work well, Im just saying they've been on the wetter side of acceptable, never pooling on the bottom, regardless of before pc or after. Thats just bad practice and procedure. But because of my time restraint, I think everything is working in conjunction with the previous step and I've come out with favorable results so far. Definatley not a science or anything, just had good luck.
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Re: In reference to jars drying slighty after PC [Re: JMcDoogle]
#19148471 - 11/17/13 04:43 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Had the exact same thing happen yesterday. Was following Frank's perfect WBS grain every time but went for a 2 min simmer rather than taking off heat as starts to simmer. Dried WBS for 45-50mins till paper towel not any residue on but once loaded into the jars so some slight pooling of water.
However after PCing and cooling (usually give at least an hour to de-pressurise naturally) I gave a couple of shakes and today they were fine. After using MS (1cc) there was a slight pooling (tiny) but noticed this last time and think the grain usually absorbs it.
Edited by Chilled (11/17/13 10:15 AM)
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Re: In reference to jars drying slighty after PC [Re: Chilled]
#19148666 - 11/17/13 07:36 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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it happens, generally ill have a few drops on the bottom, I give them a quick shake after removing from the pc . once everything cools though they should look a bit more swollen and dark than fresh out the bag.
the process is simple but the wbs I make now compared to when I started using it is like professional grade, perfect every time.
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