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Here is the most interesting Nova episode I have seen in a very long time. I look forward to what people here have to say about it. The stuff about the weird muscle antifreeze was very exciting to me since I would like to be cryogenically frozen when I die.
Making stuff colder
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Schmendrick said: Here is the most interesting Nova episode I have seen in a very long time. I look forward to what people here have to say about it. The stuff about the weird muscle antifreeze was very exciting to me since I would like to be cryogenically frozen when I die.
Making stuff colder
I can't wait till they try to bring Ted Williams back
Edit: I guess that will never happen 
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/The-sad-story-of-frozen-Ted-Williams-somehow-get?urn=mlb,193652
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Why would you ever want to be cryogenically frozen? Just curious.
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Narcissism
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mushroom_sandwich said: Why would you ever want to be cryogenically frozen? Just curious.
Because I am an atheist, I don't believe in silly myths about an afterlife or souls. I want to physically live as long as it is possible to do so because I love the fact that I am here, that I have this chance at consciousness, and I want to see what humanity is really capable of once we move past our petty hatred for each other, stop being ruled by iron age mythology and really embrace science.
Ideally, I would amass a fortune while I am alive now, invest it wisely, get cryogenically frozen at the first sign of real physical or mental illness, and wake up in perhaps 3 or 4 hundred years with some REAL money (or whatever we have by then), at which point I would have my brain transferred to a machine, then have the brain itself converted to synthetic materials atom by atom, preserving the consciousness within.
Fuck being a cyborg. Fuck even being a robot. I want to be a starship and explore the universe for eternity.
Yes, basically narcissism.
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Nobody is going to revive you in 400 years man.
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mushroom_sandwich said: Nobody is going to revive you in 400 years man. 
Once cryogenic freezing and revival becomes a real, repeatable scenario, there will be companies who specialize in long term storage. I intend to avail myself of their services. You go ahead and die if you want. I do not intend to. Ever.
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I want to see what humanity is really capable of once we move past our petty hatred for each other, stop being ruled by iron age mythology and really embrace science.
Another spiteful atheist who thinks that refuting religion refutes all spirituality by proxy. How original 
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Schmendrick said: Because I am an atheist, I don't believe in silly myths about an afterlife or souls.
I want to see what humanity is really capable of once we move past our petty hatred for each other, stop being ruled by iron age mythology and really embrace science.
Another spiteful atheist who thinks that refuting religion refutes all spirituality by proxy. How original 
Your reality is a direct reflection of yourself. If you want to remain aware of only the most superficial levels of reality, so be it.
Prove me wrong. Die, and then come back and tell me how great the afterlife really is. You do that, and I promise I will convert to whatever religion/belief system you specify.
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I can't teach you anything about the nature of you. Only you can do that yourself. All you have to do is sit down and close your eyes.
As to proving the afterlife; if you need physical evidence you're looking in the wrong places.
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Either way I think the planet will be a real shit hole in a few hundred years
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I'm inclined to agree, it's entirely possible the world will do the complete opposite of getting better and stop fighting.
Either way I highly doubt you will live long enough to see even remotely successful cryogenics in you life time.
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Acaterpillar said: I can't teach you anything about the nature of you. Only you can do that yourself. All you have to do is sit down and close your eyes.
As to proving the afterlife; if you need physical evidence you're looking in the wrong places.
Look, I get it. You need to feel special and you cannot deal with the cold harshness of reality so you embrace religion or spirituality or magic or fucking crystals and candles or whatever to make you feel at one with... I dunno, eternity or something.
But when you die, you will still be worm food and none of your happy feelings or illusions will fly out of the vast, eternal dark to save you. You won't care of course, you won't exist anymore. But I will... I will be revelling in the beauty of the universe, reality and everything it has to offer.
So go ahead and die if you want. Die with a smile on your face, knowing with all your heart that you were right all along, that the stupid douchebag atheist you met online is just a closed minded idiot and won't open himself to the 'higher levels' of consciousness or whatever, and that eternal happiness awaits you with all your friends smiling and singing. I shall be happy that you died in peace.
but I still won't want to follow you.
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Your focusing on the wrong things. It's about the eternal moment that is now. Not the fear of nonexistence.
If you've ever fully experienced ego death then you know what it's like to shed your self and become one with everything. It feels good, and there's nothing to be afraid of about it.
That being said; energy is neither created nor destroyed, and we have a poor understanding to the origin of sentience. Much of western society operates on the belief that awareness stems from the brain, as does the entirety of our consciousness; but this is as much an assumption of the medical community as the previously held belief that homosexuality is a neurosis of the mind. Science hasn't come far enough to fully understand the depths of our consciousness, but looking at the implications of some of our newer developments (quantum mechanics and quantum physics), we clearly know very little about reality.
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I agree completely. We have a LOT to learn about reality, and my opinions are not set in stone. If future experimentation shows that humans do, in fact, have something akin to a soul which continues on after death, then I would be a fool to want to stay in my physical form forever.
It's about the wonder and adventure of life, after all, and if life continues beyond death in any meaningful way then I will eventually decide that I want to experience that.
But trust me, it would have to be a LONG established scientific theory backed up by tons of facts, evidence and experimentation to make me want to blow my brains out and experience it.
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Why are you so scared of death? It is just a part of the cycle that is life.
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i love Nova and that was a great episode the quantum computers are the next gen of tech someday but man the possabilities of being able to figure any math problem in existence in seconds could change the way we think in alot of ways.
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Shroomism said: Why are you so scared of death? It is a part of the cycle that is life.
I'm really not. I am at peace with it, and I know that it will happen eventually. Whether that is tomorrow, in 50 years, 500, ten million, or when the universe eventually collapses back on itself to begin anew. Eventually, the amazing self-aware collection of atoms that is me will cease to exist, and I am OK with that.
I would just rather it be later than sooner is all. Life is amazing, and I am one of the truly lucky ones. Not only do I belong to a species which, at this point, exists mostly outside the true savagery of nature, but I am lucky to have no specific ailments, to live in a well developed nation, to be self employed and relatively well off. I am enjoying myself, and I wish to lengthen the experience as much as possible.
Am I selfish? Absolutely. And I make no apologies for it. I am well aware of the suffering throughout the world, and I will always do what I can to alleviate it, but don't expect me to trade places with anyone, and don't expect me to die if I have a choice.
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lighthouse09 said: i love Nova and that was a great episode the quantum computers are the next gen of tech someday but man the possabilities of being able to figure any math problem in existence in seconds could change the way we think in alot of ways.
Yeah, and I didn't know the new F-35s had quantum computers in them. At least, that is what was implied. Maybe they just intend to have them ASAP.
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Shroomism said: Why are you so scared of death? It is just a part of the cycle that is life.
There are lot's of cycles. Doesn't mean we have to partake in them. Humans are no longer a part of the food chain after all. Why should death be any different?
If you guys are so into the Lion King and being a part of the circle of life, taking part in cycles just because they are 'natural, man', then why don't you go spend a few nights in the African Savannah? That's 'cycley' as fuck. You might even get to experience the wondrous cycle that is the joint intestinal tract of a pack of Hyenas. Wouldn't that be great?
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When did Lion King come into this conversation? Did I strike a nerve or something to merit two replies to one question?
Like it or not we are part of the cycle of life. That doesn't mean you have to extend it as long as possible and try to avoid the inevitable. It also means I'm not in any rush to try and end it prematurely for no reason. Self preservation is a natural instinct of course. But I accept that death will occur. I'm not in any rush to make it happen, but I'm also not going to cling to some unrealistic notion of reality to try and drag it out as long as possible either. I'd rather live a long and eventful life by being healthy and having awesome times. But when my time comes it comes.
In terms of the afterlife or whether such a thing exists, it's foolish to think you have the ultimate answer one way or another so we'll just leave it at that.
I wasn't talking about Lion King. I was referring the cyclical nature of all things in reality and the observable Universe...quantum physics or whatever you want. What goes up must come down. Energy cannot be created nor destroyed merely converted to another form. You say worm food, I say that consciousness is more than physicality. All that matters is that you live an eventful life, whatever that may be for you. We are all on different paths. So if you want to be cryogenically frozen, go for it. But don't assume the grass is always going to be greener, you create your own reality for the most part.
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yea life and death are both part of it all but id like to live to see the future and or live as long as possible to enjoy what i have now as much as possible i doubt there will be much when i am dead and i am sur in the future people will live to be very old so freeze me please..
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I'd rather live a long life by being healthy, eating super foods and controlling my health with my mind. But if you want to get frozen that's cool too.
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Shroomism said: When did Lion King come into this conversation? Did I strike a nerve or something to merit two replies to one question?
Like it or not we are part of the cycle of life. That doesn't mean you have to extend it as long as possible and try to avoid the inevitable. It also means I'm not in any rush to try and end it prematurely for no reason. Self preservation is a natural instinct of course. But I accept that death will occur. I'm not in any rush to make it happen, but I'm also not going to cling to some unrealistic notion of reality to try and drag it out as long as possible either. I'd rather live a long and eventful life by being healthy and having awesome times. But when my time comes it comes.
In terms of the afterlife or whether such a thing exists, it's foolish to think you have the ultimate answer one way or another so we'll just leave it at that.
I wasn't talking about Lion King. I was referring the cyclical nature of all things in reality and the observable Universe...quantum physics or whatever you want. What goes up must come down. Energy cannot be created nor destroyed merely converted to another form. You say worm food, I say that consciousness is more than physicality. All that matters is that you live an eventful life, whatever that may be for you. We are all on different paths. So if you want to be cryogenically frozen, go for it. But don't assume the grass is always going to be greener, you create your own reality for the most part.
Did you strike a nerve? Honestly, yes. I am, of course, afraid of the unknown, and death is the ultimate unknown.
I do not really mean to be so confrontational about these these things, my hero is Carl Sagan who could listen to the most unabashed nonsense and bullshit calmly, smiling the whole time, waiting for his turn to speak and then simply reply "well... maybe." and leave it at that. He knew how to pick his battles.
But I am not him, damnit, no matter how hard I try, I cannot listen to what I perceive to be ludicrous nonsense and just be at peace with it. It boils my blood.
Anyway, sorry about all that. Those who chose to watch the episode should be finishing it about now, and I will be interested to see what they have to say.
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Does the unknown emptiness of deep sleep scare you? It's not so different from death.
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Acaterpillar said: Does the unknown emptiness of deep sleep scare you? It's not so different from death.
I have a reasonable assumption that I will wake up on the other side, so no it doesn't scare me. Besides, I like dreaming. Some of my best ideas come through dreams. The subconscious can be a very useful tool for learning.
If I had severe sleep apnea or some other sleep-related ailment which meant I might never come back, then yes, I would be afraid to go to sleep.
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Dreams and deep sleep aren't the same thing
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Acaterpillar said: Dreams and deep sleep aren't the same thing
Yes, I know, and I do understand your point and agree with it. I was just fine for the billions of years before my death, and I will be just fine for the billions upon billions after. It does not change the fact that I enjoy it here, I have no assurances of continuance of consciousness after death, and until that changes, I will do everything in my power to lengthen what time I have.
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The problem is not death but your attachment to life. Rather than fortifying your complex of craving and aversion, why not deconstruct it so you may pass on into death with peace?
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Acaterpillar said: The problem is not death but your attachment to life. Rather than fortifying your complex of craving and aversion, why not deconstruct it so you may pass on into death with peace?
LOL @ being too attached to life. That's a good one.
Regarding the rest: I do not have an unhealthy aversion to death; It does not dominate my thoughts on a daily basis. In fact, I can only identify good things that have come about from deciding that I want to live as close to forever as possible: I quit smoking, replaced coffee with tea, started actually drinking as much water on a daily basis as is recommended, cut back on red meat, started eating a lot more fish which I enjoy, I have become a very defensive driver.. I could go on.
Don't try to psychoanalyze me please. I am quite mentally healthy and at peace with the universe and my place within it. I just get a bit miffed when people start claiming they know things that they do not, in fact know; like life after death, higher planes of consciousness, etc.
Just because you 'feel something really deeply, man' does NOT mean it's true.
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death with peace sounds like an oxymoron unless you want to die which could happen once you know your gonna die but up till then fuck death!! anything is possible
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If I need to clarify: attachment to the preservation of your life. Living forever in the foreseeable future; you forget the present moment and thus lose the ability to take control of your actions, as your fear of a shortened lifespan is what controls you now.
I'm not psychoanalyzing you. I'm psychoanalyzing myself. We all carry the same complexes within us. Some just feed them more than others.
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lighthouse09 said: death with peace sounds like an oxymoron unless you want to die which could happen once you know your gonna die but up till then fuck death!! anything is possible
Dying and death are different. Dying is the process which we reach death, usually with great pain. Death is what arises as the dust settles. It's your last picture of yourself.
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Acaterpillar said: If I need to clarify: attachment to the preservation of your life. Living forever in the foreseeable future; you forget the present moment and thus lose the ability to take control of your actions, as your fear of a shortened lifespan is what controls you now.
I'm not psychoanalyzing you. I'm psychoanalyzing myself. We all carry the same complexes within us. Some just feed them more than others.
I have no fear of a shortened lifespan. I have a fear that a normal lifespan may not be enough for me to really make any kind of difference. What will people remember after I am gone? Will the universe care? I am a single human among 7 billion on this planet, our planet is one of hundreds of billions within our galaxy alone, and new research (via the Kepler satellite) shows that as many as 1 in five stars in the Milky Way has a small rocky planet like our earth in it's Goldilocks zone... and the Milky Way is only one of close to a trillion in the universe.
I ask you this one simple question: What is the true meaning of life? Other than reproducing (obviously), I personally think it is to bring joy to other life. I have a hard time swatting flies because I hold this to be true. I found a scorpion in my bed once which had crawled through the window, up into the bed, and got tangled in the sheets. I picked it up in a jar and put it outside. I almost punched a cable repair man in the face because he so callously smashed a mother Wolf Spider with babies on it's back while he was out here to do the initial install.
But the earth is such a small speck. What grand purpose is to be had here? Even if I were to foster wellbeing in every life-form on this planet, it will die and be burnt to ash by our expanding, dying sun a mere 5 billion years hence. What then of my grand gestures on Earth? The universe will neither know nor care what happened on this isolated planet orbiting a small, nondescript star in the Orion spiral arm of the Milky Way galaxy so long ago.
Seeking true meaning in the absence of spirituality is a tough road indeed. The only true meaning is one which lasts, and to make a lasting impression on this universe requires more time than humans have been naturally allotted.
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There is no true meaning to life, because that implies that "truth" and "meaning" exist outside of perception. In ultimate reality there is only change.
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Copying this from another thread, but I think it is very relevant to the given topic: http://www.novaspivack.com/uncategorized/consciousness-is-not-a-computation-2
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Schmendrick said: Because I am an atheist, I don't believe in silly myths about an afterlife or souls.
I want to see what humanity is really capable of once we move past our petty hatred for each other, stop being ruled by iron age mythology and really embrace science.
Another spiteful atheist who thinks that refuting religion refutes all spirituality by proxy. How original 
The only spite in that discourse was on your end, pillar.
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Acaterpillar said: Your focusing on the wrong things. It's about the eternal moment that is now. Not the fear of nonexistence.
If you've ever fully experienced ego death then you know what it's like to shed your self and become one with everything. It feels good, and there's nothing to be afraid of about it.
That being said; energy is neither created nor destroyed, and we have a poor understanding to the origin of sentience. Much of western society operates on the belief that awareness stems from the brain, as does the entirety of our consciousness; but this is as much an assumption of the medical community as the previously held belief that homosexuality is a neurosis of the mind. Science hasn't come far enough to fully understand the depths of our consciousness, but looking at the implications of some of our newer developments (quantum mechanics and quantum physics), we clearly know very little about reality.
All evidence points to the fact that consciousness is a manifestation of the physical brain, and nothing more. I've never understood the logic of someone taking a drug that specifically alters the fuction of the brain, then claiming that said drug has shown them the oneness of the universe. Guess what, that's how consciousness works... You tweak some neurons and boom consciousness expands. Of course, nothing changed except the way some ordinary neurons worked.
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Re: Making Stuff Colder. [Re: koods]
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koods said: All evidence points to the fact that consciousness is a manifestation of the physical brain, and nothing more. I've never understood the logic of someone taking a drug that specifically alters the fuction of the brain, then claiming that said drug has shown them the oneness of the universe. Guess what, that's how consciousness works... You tweak some neurons and boom consciousness expands. Of course, nothing changed except the way some ordinary neurons worked.
What evidence is that? As far as I am aware, the brain has been proven to be the source of our cognition, but there is no evidence for the source of self-awareness. It is a phenomenon that currently has no proven explanation.
And I'm sorry if my original comments were brash, but this has become a tiresome theme in our society.
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There is plenty of evidence. You can pretty much selectively destroy parts or all of someone's consciousness by selectively destroying parts of the brain.
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Re: Making Stuff Colder. [Re: koods]
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And I'm sorry if my original comments were brash, but this has become a tiresome theme in our society.
No need to apologize. I understand how you feel after all... but from my perspective it is your theme which has become the tiresome one.
To be honest though, this whole conversation has proceeded much more civilly than I thought it might.
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Re: Making Stuff Colder. [Re: koods]
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koods said: There is plenty of evidence. You can pretty much selectively destroy parts or all of someone's consciousness by selectively destroying parts of the brain.
I think we are misunderstanding each other because of a difference in diction. You can destroy their ability to cognate. To use logic and reason. There is no part of the brain that has been shown to generate awareness.
So you cannot destroy just sentience by any form of brain damage.
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Schmendrick said: No need to apologize. I understand how you feel after all... but from my perspective it is your theme which has become the tiresome one.
Is my position really a common one in Western society? I do not refute that religion can be destructive and in many ways limits our society from progression. In my experience, most opponents to your position would argue for the benefits of religion; directly opposing your statements.
I am merely stating that while religion has largely become defunct and archaic; one's personal spirituality should not be disregarded simply by proxy.
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Schmendrick said: No need to apologize. I understand how you feel after all... but from my perspective it is your theme which has become the tiresome one.
Is my position really a common one in Western society? I do not refute that religion can be destructive and in many ways limits our society from progression. In my experience, most opponents to your position would argue for the benefits of religion; directly opposing your statements.
I am merely stating that while religion has largely become defunct and archaic; one's personal spirituality should not be disregarded simply by proxy.
Perhaps not in western culture at large, but certainly among my friends who are predominantly spiritualists, Wiccans and self-proclaimed druid priests.
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Schmendrick said: The only true meaning is one which lasts
what? no
who told you that?
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