|
eve69
--=..Did Adam and ...?=--



Registered: 04/30/03
Posts: 3,910
Loc: isle de la muerte
Last seen: 1 month, 18 days
|
Re: Be Here Now trance induction, 30 seconds spiritual blast! [Re: all this beauty]
#19140290 - 11/15/13 10:01 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
all this beauty said:
Quote:
eve69 said: actually if you always are being here now then it's always the same old moment
That's an interesting observation.
Actually, I think walking around in a 24/7 state of awareness and illumination might take some of the fun and excitement out of life.
Mystical insight is a very good thing, but I don't think we humans are intended to experience it 24/7.
If we were intended to experience it 24/7, we would.
All of us.
Just so. Mullar Nasrudin and Gurdjeiff used to talk about how it was a fucked up philosophy which demanded altered states for one of its premises. Even the supremely mystical school of Dzogchen eschews deliberate trance and bliss states - each of these systems abide in the now, and yet do not choose to transform the now into something -extra.-
This particular type of instruction is one reason I am a rank and file asshole. I choose not to be extra-wonderful because I sit in samadhi, to me, ones spiritual system means in fact less than nothing. Nobody listens to the Stones and says - hey they're great because Mick practices TM. That kind of thinking is bullshit.
And it's just so very very common. Every fucking Jesus freak and Islam wanger on earth thinks they have the right to judge everybody else and relegate them to hell.
-------------------- ...or something
|
Sleepwalker
Overshoes

Registered: 05/07/08
Posts: 5,503
|
Re: Be Here Now trance induction, 30 seconds spiritual blast! [Re: eve69]
#19141033 - 11/15/13 01:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
eve69 said: The mind is the same whether it's in the moment or in the future. It's still mind, doing what it does. Just like the hand is still a hand whether it moves and grasps and holds or whether it lays flat and open.
|
CosmicJoke
happy mutant


Registered: 04/05/00
Posts: 10,848
Loc: Portland, OR
|
Re: Be Here Now trance induction, 30 seconds spiritual blast! [Re: Cosmicjoker]
#19142211 - 11/15/13 07:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Cosmicjoker said: Well I LOVE all the honesty about the video,
Quote:
CosmicJoke said:
Quote:
eve69 said: Yeah, that was the thought.
I disbelieve the entire notion of be here now. You are here now. How stupid do you have to 'be here now' too?
i don't think it was a commandment or a challenge to be here now... i think the point was you can relax, because everything you could ever want or be, you already have and are.
That is what I was going for... But I see how some people might be off put by it now.
I don't think everyone is ready to be here now, many aren't ready to let go off the past and the future... but here now is a liberation, is a fresh new moment
I meant Alpert's book. I found your video psychologically abrasive, there's an aspect of advertising with using repetitious imagery that's unsavory.... It doesn't evoke artistic visionary, but a kind of creepy brainwashing element.
-------------------- Everything is better than it was the last time. I'm good. If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care. It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence. I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too. If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.
|
all this beauty
Stranger
Registered: 02/13/13
Posts: 779
Last seen: 10 years, 1 month
|
Re: Be Here Now trance induction, 30 seconds spiritual blast! [Re: CosmicJoke]
#19142679 - 11/15/13 08:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
CosmicJoke said: I found your video psychologically abrasive, there's an aspect of advertising with using repetitious imagery that's unsavory.... It doesn't evoke artistic visionary, but a kind of creepy brainwashing element.
Some of us in this thread have playfully derided the video (myself included), but your critique, CosmicJoke, is exactly to the point.
There is a creepy brainwashing element to the video.
Occasionally, while channel-surfing on cable TV, I happen upon one of those preacher programs where the preacher is staring at you, the viewer, and screeching a message of salvation. I find that sort of thing unspeakably creepy.
That's exactly how I felt when I viewed the video which is the subject of this thread.
|
CosmicJoke
happy mutant


Registered: 04/05/00
Posts: 10,848
Loc: Portland, OR
|
Re: Be Here Now trance induction, 30 seconds spiritual blast! [Re: all this beauty]
#19142706 - 11/15/13 08:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Well precisely, it's subliminal advertising.... I keep meaning to reply to you btw, but if you keep agreeing with me so damn much there's nothing left to say but 'yep'.
-------------------- Everything is better than it was the last time. I'm good. If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care. It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence. I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too. If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.
|
Cosmicjoker
Remember be here now



Registered: 12/16/10
Posts: 804
Last seen: 5 years, 5 months
|
Re: Be Here Now trance induction, 30 seconds spiritual blast! [Re: lessismore]
#19143090 - 11/15/13 09:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
mio said: it is interesting that when you find yourself you realize you must 'be here now' :-)
many people have realized it
mostly because they forgot to 'be here now' and that is what they did wrong
just relax, don't take everything so seriously, enjoy / appreciate
we can all be here now, if we want :-)
what did you think of the video?
I didn't intend to make a creepy brainwashing video, I used that sort of style, in a light liberating way, towards the moment, letting go off past and future.
Did you grok that?
-------------------- http://www.youtube.com/user/Cosmicjokester1 Check out my channel and if you want to explore further into my point of view, my website is linked on some of my videos depending on which one you watch... The channel is called "THE COSMIC JOKE (ONENESS)
|
Sleepwalker
Overshoes

Registered: 05/07/08
Posts: 5,503
|
Re: Be Here Now trance induction, 30 seconds spiritual blast! [Re: CosmicJoke]
#19144006 - 11/16/13 02:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
CosmicJoke said:
Quote:
Cosmicjoker said:
Quote:
CosmicJoke said:
This had me pretty confused for a second.
|
lessismore
Registered: 02/10/13
Posts: 6,268
|
Re: Be Here Now trance induction, 30 seconds spiritual blast! [Re: Cosmicjoker]
#19144775 - 11/16/13 10:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Cosmicjoker said:
Quote:
mio said: it is interesting that when you find yourself you realize you must 'be here now' :-)
many people have realized it
mostly because they forgot to 'be here now' and that is what they did wrong
just relax, don't take everything so seriously, enjoy / appreciate
we can all be here now, if we want :-)
what did you think of the video?
I didn't intend to make a creepy brainwashing video, I used that sort of style, in a light liberating way, towards the moment, letting go off past and future.
Did you grok that?
well I saw a few of your other vids earlier on youtube seems you have realized most/everything I have, agreed a bit with them ;-)
the only problem is the presentation... kinda funny vids you got/maybe a little weird at times, but much truth in the content it seems 
and especially this one... a little too creepy for me too
but the words be here now always gets me here now :-)
its funny how you meet strangers saying just that once in a while... and its true no problems as long as we remember to be here now
peace :-)
|
lessismore
Registered: 02/10/13
Posts: 6,268
|
Re: Be Here Now trance induction, 30 seconds spiritual blast! [Re: lessismore]
#19145829 - 11/16/13 03:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
have you read "The power of Now" , by Eckhart Tolle?:-)
I no longer have a self, my words are his words it seems
but havent read much from it, it was just like reading own words..
cheap book, someone gave me it not that long ago but one of the best books Ive read...
|
eve69
--=..Did Adam and ...?=--



Registered: 04/30/03
Posts: 3,910
Loc: isle de la muerte
Last seen: 1 month, 18 days
|
Re: Be Here Now trance induction, 30 seconds spiritual blast! [Re: lessismore]
#19145958 - 11/16/13 04:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
I haven't read that book but I hate it because I read posts by its pundits quite frequently and they all say the same boring shit I hear from Neo-Advaitins who are for the most part a pack of drooling idiots.
They think if you're stuck in a cell that you can unstick yourself by thinking yourself out of it, and if not then by believing that the other person in the next cell can.
-------------------- ...or something
|
lessismore
Registered: 02/10/13
Posts: 6,268
|
Re: Be Here Now trance induction, 30 seconds spiritual blast! [Re: eve69]
#19145993 - 11/16/13 04:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
It was for CosmicJoker .. 
you should have added this as background music to your vid: youtube.com/watch?v=eXqPYte8tvc
Edited by lessismore (11/16/13 04:38 PM)
|
eve69
--=..Did Adam and ...?=--



Registered: 04/30/03
Posts: 3,910
Loc: isle de la muerte
Last seen: 1 month, 18 days
|
Re: Be Here Now trance induction, 30 seconds spiritual blast! [Re: lessismore]
#19146230 - 11/16/13 05:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Methinks Cosmic you should check out Kenneth Anger if you want to produce hypnogogic videos which are themselves ritual enactments.
-------------------- ...or something
|
Cosmicjoker
Remember be here now



Registered: 12/16/10
Posts: 804
Last seen: 5 years, 5 months
|
Re: Be Here Now trance induction, 30 seconds spiritual blast! [Re: lessismore]
#19150866 - 11/17/13 05:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
mio said: have you read "The power of Now" , by Eckhart Tolle?:-)
I no longer have a self, my words are his words it seems
but havent read much from it, it was just like reading own words..
cheap book, someone gave me it not that long ago but one of the best books Ive read...
I read that and new earth
Great books, wonderful insight
Ram Dass Be here now is still my fav, my bible I guess you could say
But tolle and ram dass met one day, and word is, they both got the impression of each other very positive... and tolle was inspired in part by reading be here now...
PS: to others that read this
Just curious I see two people said that video worked, anyone else that is worked for, care to share how it worked?
-------------------- http://www.youtube.com/user/Cosmicjokester1 Check out my channel and if you want to explore further into my point of view, my website is linked on some of my videos depending on which one you watch... The channel is called "THE COSMIC JOKE (ONENESS)
|
EternalCowabunga
Being of Great Significance



Registered: 04/04/05
Posts: 7,152
Loc: Time and Space
|
Re: Be Here Now trance induction, 30 seconds spiritual blast! [Re: Cosmicjoker]
#19151926 - 11/17/13 09:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
I'm already omni-present so I don't need videos like this but I applaud the effort
--------------------
|
lessismore
Registered: 02/10/13
Posts: 6,268
|
Re: Be Here Now trance induction, 30 seconds spiritual blast! [Re: Cosmicjoker]
#19153394 - 11/18/13 09:56 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Cosmicjoker said:
Quote:
mio said: have you read "The power of Now" , by Eckhart Tolle?:-)
I no longer have a self, my words are his words it seems
but havent read much from it, it was just like reading own words..
cheap book, someone gave me it not that long ago but one of the best books Ive read...
I read that and new earth
Great books, wonderful insight
Ram Dass Be here now is still my fav, my bible I guess you could say
But tolle and ram dass met one day, and word is, they both got the impression of each other very positive... and tolle was inspired in part by reading be here now...
PS: to others that read this
Just curious I see two people said that video worked, anyone else that is worked for, care to share how it worked?
I am everything I see, and you too ;-)
we are all gods, souls in bodies creating reality
enjoy
isnt that what he said?
or maybe: I am the same as before nothing is excepted now one soul all living I am not my thoughts, and also not this body I am everything I see, and you too 
pretty funny...
but... buddhistic it is it seems...
ram dass says it pretty well... we are all gods I am you, for you are me
if you know what be here now means, you are god
so reading the power of now or be here now would only be to reduce doubt, or remember :-) wonder if they each read each others books... Im sure they share some soul...
but I agree, we are all one with god, if we chose to be much hard work... but worth it maybe... thoughts/desires all the time arent that enjoyable
still learning meditation myself :-)
|
eve69
--=..Did Adam and ...?=--



Registered: 04/30/03
Posts: 3,910
Loc: isle de la muerte
Last seen: 1 month, 18 days
|
Re: Be Here Now trance induction, 30 seconds spiritual blast! [Re: lessismore]
#19153968 - 11/18/13 12:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
free verse get me a hearse my meanings can't hobble give them feet so they'll wobble it's cheating to drop names when ones poem is going in flames like metallica or jaw wobble wtf I forgot don't call me twat I am profound profounder than pepper ground you say I am not making sense but I am not kanye went
-------------------- ...or something
|
deCypher



Registered: 02/10/08
Posts: 56,232
|
Re: Be Here Now trance induction, 30 seconds spiritual blast! [Re: all this beauty]
#19159074 - 11/19/13 10:44 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
all this beauty said: Mystical insight is a very good thing, but I don't think we humans are intended to experience it 24/7.
If we were intended to experience it 24/7, we would.
That's like saying if we were intended to fly through the air, we would have had wings. And yet we've succeeded in building jet planes.
Ascribing teleological meaning to our biological nature is a futile cause, I suspect.
-------------------- We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.
 
|
Icyus
KavitārkikasiṃHa



Registered: 11/07/13
Posts: 3,502
Loc: Inbetween.
Last seen: 8 years, 1 month
|
Re: Be Here Now trance induction, 30 seconds spiritual blast! [Re: deCypher]
#19159098 - 11/19/13 10:49 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
I was in a bliss before the words my ears had a kiss.
-------------------- And thus begins the reverse-fusing of our one-dimentional understanding, and adds ever-expanding perspectives, in depth and number; splitting our perception, and in so doing, seemingly irrationally, creates yet more one-ness, with all that ever was, is and will ever be, streching across the infinite, inunderstood concept of everything, percievable and not.
|
all this beauty
Stranger
Registered: 02/13/13
Posts: 779
Last seen: 10 years, 1 month
|
Re: Be Here Now trance induction, 30 seconds spiritual blast! [Re: deCypher]
#19159214 - 11/19/13 11:18 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
deCypher said:
Quote:
all this beauty said: Mystical insight is a very good thing, but I don't think we humans are intended to experience it 24/7.
If we were intended to experience it 24/7, we would.
That's like saying if we were intended to fly through the air, we would have had wings. And yet we've succeeded in building jet planes.
Ascribing teleological meaning to our biological nature is a futile cause, I suspect. 
Lol. I'm a fervent biological determinist. Your perfect debating partner, perhaps. 
EVERYTHING -- every thought I have, every action I take -- originates in a biological mandate. The "mandates" differ in each of us. Consequently, some of us are saints and some of us are sinners. Some of us take LSD and see God. Some of us take LSD and see the devil.
It's all in our biology.
And (in my opinion) there's nothing we can proactively "do" to change this reality.
|
Cosmicjoker
Remember be here now



Registered: 12/16/10
Posts: 804
Last seen: 5 years, 5 months
|
Re: Be Here Now trance induction, 30 seconds spiritual blast! [Re: lessismore]
#19159279 - 11/19/13 11:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
mio said:
Quote:
Cosmicjoker said:
Quote:
mio said: have you read "The power of Now" , by Eckhart Tolle?:-)
I no longer have a self, my words are his words it seems
but havent read much from it, it was just like reading own words..
cheap book, someone gave me it not that long ago but one of the best books Ive read...
I read that and new earth
Great books, wonderful insight
Ram Dass Be here now is still my fav, my bible I guess you could say
But tolle and ram dass met one day, and word is, they both got the impression of each other very positive... and tolle was inspired in part by reading be here now...
PS: to others that read this
Just curious I see two people said that video worked, anyone else that is worked for, care to share how it worked?
I am everything I see, and you too ;-)
we are all gods, souls in bodies creating reality
enjoy
isnt that what he said?
or maybe: I am the same as before nothing is excepted now one soul all living I am not my thoughts, and also not this body I am everything I see, and you too 
pretty funny...
but... buddhistic it is it seems...
ram dass says it pretty well... we are all gods I am you, for you are me
if you know what be here now means, you are god
so reading the power of now or be here now would only be to reduce doubt, or remember :-) wonder if they each read each others books... Im sure they share some soul...
but I agree, we are all one with god, if we chose to be much hard work... but worth it maybe... thoughts/desires all the time arent that enjoyable
still learning meditation myself :-)
I am just coming into this moment now, where I feel my God presence, enlightenment is not something in the future, being here now, with my breath, my earth life, in this small pocket of time and space, seeing my self around me has to be enough right now. That is what buddha called the buddha nature...
The reason why there is suffering and people that can't be here now and so on. Is that God is not some seperate Creator far away from the physical universe, God is at one with the physical universe, and God is awakening to itself as fast as it can go... It includes all souls, all beings, so it can only move so fast, with all the attachments still around and karma.
So the best service we can both do, is to keep realizing our divine nature... I am glad to talk to another awakening soul on this forum.
When Ekcart tolle went to meet ram dass... the ram dass crowd was unsure if tolle was sincere about his awakening... but when he visited, he didn't run up to ram dass, ignoring the rest, he talked to one of ram dass young health assistants, and treated everybody with equality, just like ram dass does.
There are more gurus and awakening being then we think on this planet, it is only a matter of time, before it reaches a culmination and humanity takes a leap in evolution that is INEVITABLE... as inevitable as monkeys evolving into humans. Plants people... just like orange trees orange... and when a planet people, those people eventually awaken to one planetery organism... That's the way this universe works. It's messy but it has a happy ending that is a new beginning. Tolle addressed this issue in new earth.
anyway, I have a question for you... when did you first reaize your divine nature? what was the trigger? what practices do you do to sustain this awakening?
My main practice is mantra... a simple mantra, RAM... it quiets the mind, and helps me focus on my divine nature... it is very important not to let the mind wander... it will wander us away from our home.
HERE AND NOW
-------------------- http://www.youtube.com/user/Cosmicjokester1 Check out my channel and if you want to explore further into my point of view, my website is linked on some of my videos depending on which one you watch... The channel is called "THE COSMIC JOKE (ONENESS)
|
|