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Possible for photos to flower under 18/6 light?
    #19141157 - 11/15/13 02:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

This lady is supposedly Northern Lights and is 7 weeks old. Im fairly new to MJ but this looks to me like she's already flowering. The only problem is she's been under 18/6 light since she sprouted. Is this even possible, or was the seed mislabeled and she's actually some type of auto-flower?





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Re: Possible for photos to flower under 18/6 light? [Re: bEelzeBosS]
    #19141200 - 11/15/13 02:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I don't have experience growing cannabis but have read a bit.

The plant is pre flowering and that is an indication that the plant is ready to flower so you should switch the lighting to 12/12.

Perhaps wait for a more experienced grower's input before doing something.


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Re: Possible for photos to flower under 18/6 light? [Re: modern.shaman]
    #19141311 - 11/15/13 03:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

From what Ive read preflowering is when the plant shows its sex, in this case the female's pistols...this happened a couple weeks ago. These look like real buds starting to form. And she's barely 2 foot tall, I dont want to put her into flowering until she's at least 5.


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Re: Possible for photos to flower under 18/6 light? [Re: Andjew]
    #19141418 - 11/15/13 03:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I'm not sure on this but I believe you could just top off the flowers and continue veg. like you would another plant you want to keep growing rather than flower.


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Re: Possible for photos to flower under 18/6 light? [Re: bEelzeBosS]
    #19142179 - 11/15/13 06:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

that's a normal amount of preflowers showing.  Just take it as a sign she's a girl.  When you switch to 12/12, watch the # of flowers explode.


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Re: Possible for photos to flower under 18/6 light? [Re: Yrat]
    #19142185 - 11/15/13 06:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Hope you're right. I have a critical kush photoperiod too and it didnt do that until about a week after I switched it to 12/12. It was from a clone though so maybe that's why? :shrug:


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Re: Possible for photos to flower under 18/6 light? [Re: bEelzeBosS]
    #19143725 - 11/16/13 12:56 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

is it rootbound?  how big of a pot is it in?  did you by chance go from 24 hours light down to 18/6?  what company is the seed from? 


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Re: Possible for photos to flower under 18/6 light? [Re: chuptoo]
    #19144421 - 11/16/13 07:29 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Its not rootbound. I found out on the growery that it is indeed an autoflower, as someone else there got the exact same mislabled NL from the exact same vendor and the same thing happened to him. Really disappointed, I had just cut two clones from her right before she started to flower so now they're worthless.


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Re: Possible for photos to flower under 18/6 light? [Re: bEelzeBosS]
    #19144928 - 11/16/13 11:29 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I read somewhere that autoflower clones can sometimes be made to root by subjecting them to cool temps. I have never tried this though.


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Re: Possible for photos to flower under 18/6 light? [Re: psi]
    #19145124 - 11/16/13 12:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

They will root, but they will start flowering when they're still tiny because they think its time.


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Re: Possible for photos to flower under 18/6 light? [Re: bEelzeBosS]
    #19145593 - 11/16/13 02:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

In my opinion, if your cannabis flowers at 18/6 light cycle it is probably "early" strain, not "auto-flower"

By "early" I mean cannabis strain what indeed starts flowering with short night. They can be propagate from cuttings and grow vegetative growth usually when nitrogen amount in soil are big.

I have actually grow myself cannabis in the past and some strain of cannabis called "early" need only 5-10hour night at nitrogen amount reduce in soil to trigger flowering.

In my country and few other northern europe country I have find out some grow strains what is not actually auto-flower but flowering starts when plants ages, nitrogen amount drops and plant starts to have night time. Only few hours in night are enough to get plants flowering. At 24hour day light they doesn't flower so easily or actually not at all.

I have not heard auto-flower plants can be possible to grow from cuttings and if someone have cuttings from "auto-flower" it is simply "early" what means obviously plants doesn't need half of the day dark time in order to start flowering, sometimes flowering comes with age but usually it starts when night time are close to 10hour but over 5hours.

Once I had strain indoors what starts flowering at 8hour night but stay vegetative state at 24hour cycle.

Basically at outdoors these strains can be grown at northern europe because summer time have very long day and after mid-summer when night are starts to get longer, these early-strains starts to flowering and they have good nice flower buds when night time is slowly increasing and day length get shorter and fall comes. Also sometimes as I said reduction of nitrogen in soil can trigger flowering with this kind of strain if they got short night.

I have heard people speak about 3 different cannabis strain what are: auto-flower, short night and long night plants. Long night plants are basically indoor plants and auto-flower and short night strain are possible to grow flower buds outdoors with long day time at summer.

I would not confuse at all if some strain of cannabis starts to flower at 18/6 light cycle and it's not auto-flower. Auto-flower means flowering time is tied to plant age, not light cycle and they can be only propagate via seeds. People here speak about strain what can be propagate via cuttings are not "real" auto-flower strain, they are just short night strain cannabis.

There have been in the past heirloom cannabis strain but no longer exists(thanks to nixon and drug war) but anyway, that strain starts flowering after nights are getting longer and only few hour of night was enough for plant to receive pollen and produce seeds before winter comes.

In my country growers talk about two kind of outdoor plants: auto-flower and "short night" cannabis.

I am not sure but I think I remember "northern lights" strain will flower very easily without full 12hour night time and probably that name is somekind of reference to strain what flowers where is not so long night time..
Anyway, I cannot confirm this, I have some memory my friends have grow strain outdoors named "northern lights early" or something..


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Re: Possible for photos to flower under 18/6 light? [Re: intelligentlife]
    #19146277 - 11/16/13 05:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I believe those are pre-flowers if I'm not mistaken..they happen during 6-8th week.


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Re: Possible for photos to flower under 18/6 light? [Re: Blackd0ve420]
    #19147857 - 11/16/13 11:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I think in the picture plant is not anymore at preflowering stage cause there is so much of white hair at growth tip. But best thing to say that is actually see the plant or so, I have just never seen preflowering cannabis with so much hairs at top of plants growth tip.

I find some pics about my plants just old enough passed the stage of preflowering or so. First plant if grown from cutting and it makes flower pods all the time to stock of the plant. Another picture have plants grown from seed with relatively short vegetative stage used.

Here is old photo from Silver Haze flowering, this have been about ~3-4weeks on 12/12 light, but this strain takes generally very long time at 12hour night to even start flowering.


There are smaller and younger different strain cannabis spent only ~2-3weeks at 12/12 light


In my mind preflowering stage cannabis will have these small seedpod flowers with white hairs at growth tip and around plant but not so much than in the picture at beginning of thread. I can be wrong still..

Anyway, I have indeed cultivated some short night strains indoors with 9-10 hour night all the way to the harvest and plants starts flowering when night time was somewhere at 7-8 hour. I dropped day length from 21hour to 14hour by one hour in week or so if I remember right. I have grow so much few years ago so I can't remember all details, and ofc police have seized my apartments about half dozen times cause of cannabis growing.

But I have not cultivated any cannabis for long time so I can't remember sure when preflowering stage is passed and for example cuttings cannot be no more taken from plant cause of flowering but I am sure there are strains they don't need full 12hour night in order to flower and mature.

Most of the times I have grown "regular" strains with 14-16hour day at vegetative stage and then used 12-15hour night to get plants flowering. Few times I have find out it is hard to get cannabis to flowering and then I have used 14-15hour night for first two wees or so to get very sativa like plants to flowering and then turn lights back to 12/12 for rest of the time.

My reason to use 14-15hour night at first weeks to certain strains are simple cause one time I had strain in flowering room with another cannabis strains and it doesn't starts flowering easy and takes about 6-8weeks or more before flowering starts for good.
I think it was very dominant sativa strain cause it just not seems to start flowering at all compared to another plants what was in full bloom and that one strain just stretching and grow very long with poor amount of bud after all. But normally it's regular 12/12 hour from the beginning or after few weeks of vegetative growth, depends on strain and amount of plants how I have used to grow MJ.


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Re: Possible for photos to flower under 18/6 light? [Re: intelligentlife]
    #19149230 - 11/17/13 11:08 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah they're buds not preflowers. I posted the pic on the growery and Ive been assured by some very experienced growers they're buds. Then someone else who had the same thing happen to them with the same strain from the same breeder...they're NL autoflowers that are mislabled and have been handed out as freebies from Attitude seeds. Thanks for the help everyone and that was very informative intelligentlife. :thumbup:


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Re: Possible for photos to flower under 18/6 light? [Re: bEelzeBosS]
    #19149326 - 11/17/13 11:36 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

But.. It doesn't mean it's auto-flower if your cannabis flower at short night time. They are just adjusted to flower with short night.. Like name say possible, it can be strain suitable to grow at north where days are long at summer.

There are clear difference between auto-flower and early, early cannabis doesn't flower if it doesn't get night time but auto-flower will.
Difference is early strains doesn't need full 12hour light cycle in order to bloom but they need some night time to produce bud. Auto-flower are purely tied to age with flowering. Early strains you can propagate via cuttings when you don't give plants any night time at all.

Both are considered as outdoor cannabis but not auto-flower cause early strains can be propagated trough cuttings.

As I said, there are "short night" and "long night" cannabis strains around. Only thing I am not sure where the northern lights name has come but I think it can be strain good to grow outdoors at northern hemisphere where is long days with short night.

Anyway, if your plant continue to flower, reduce day length.. Somewhere to 14/10 and then 12/12.. Or directly 12/12 and grow your plants with that cycle to harvest.

I have found from many strains about male plants, they seems to flower very soon without 12/12 cycle. This is probably cause in nature when female plants starts to flower male plants needs to be already there spread pollen. But lots of indoor cannabis especially male plants will starts flowering at 6-8hour night. Also, there is some strains where females do same, only thing is need "few hour dark" and cannabis starts flowering.
Auto-flowers are still different than these early/short night cannabis.


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Re: Possible for photos to flower under 18/6 light? [Re: intelligentlife]
    #19149331 - 11/17/13 11:37 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

When I had autos I just did 24/0 the whole way :lol:


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Re: Possible for photos to flower under 18/6 light? [Re: intelligentlife]
    #19149528 - 11/17/13 12:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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But.. It doesn't mean it's auto-flower if your cannabis flower at short night time. They are just adjusted to flower with short night.. Like name say possible, it can be strain suitable to grow at north where days are long at summer.




I dont know. I already put them into flowering with several other plants that were already under 12/12. I doubt I could have stopped the flowering and made the plant go back to vegging even under 24 hour light. The plant will still probably grow at least 50% while flowering, and like I said the seed was a freebie anyway so I can't complain too much.


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Re: Possible for photos to flower under 18/6 light? [Re: Blackd0ve420]
    #19149529 - 11/17/13 12:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Flowering to that point shouldn't happen under those light regimens.

I have seen it in mother plants i had for a while...

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Re: Possible for photos to flower under 18/6 light? [Re: POWAtrippin]
    #19150183 - 11/17/13 03:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It was one seed, a freebie from <SNIP>. "Delicious Seeds Northern Light Blue". They have a regular and an autoflower version, they sent me the auto but it wasn't labeled as auto.


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