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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: how it works [Re: all this beauty]
    #19164422 - 11/20/13 10:40 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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What if you are mistaken? What if that has nothing to do with biology, or biology is simply byproduct of something greater?



Yes, there's a real and distinct possibility that I'm full of shit on all of this.  I always try to be careful not to present my ideas as "fact."

Quite honestly though, I just cannot understand the mystical experience in terms other than biological. 

I totally, 100 percent, accept the validity of the "mystical experience" (I myself have experienced it), but I cannot explain it in other than a biological context.

There is no other explanation (for me) as to why some people experience heaven on LSD and other people experience hell.  Why some people may meditate everyday for a year and get nothing out of it, and why some people meditate for a week and experience radical transformation.

It's got to be tied into our individual biologies.

In my opinion.




Biologies or mindset/belief. I like to think that it has got to do with belief, because imo,
biology is something that you are not in control of and to believe that it is the cause, then you are drawing a barrier in front of yourself, because you believe that only someone special is capable of reaching that height, but in reality it's just belief that people with certain biology are capable to do it.
In this way belief can affect your way of living.

I wonder if I made sense, it sounded better in my head:lol:


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Re: how it works [Re: HeartAndMind]
    #19164651 - 11/20/13 11:18 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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HeartAndMind said:
Biologies or mindset/belief. I like to think that it has got to do with belief, because imo, biology is something that you are not in control of and to believe that it is the cause, then you are drawing a barrier in front of yourself, because you believe that only someone special is capable of reaching that height, but in reality it's just belief that people with certain biology are capable to do it.
In this way belief can affect your way of living.

I wonder if I made sense, it sounded better in my head:lol:



I think I hear ya. :wink:

There is a bit of danger here that this "biological determinism" stuff can devolve into a kind of "elitism."  As I mentioned in my opening post, I have been accused of elitism in the past.

Actually, I attach absolutely no value judgments to this thing.  To me, it's like the difference between having blue eyes and having brown eyes.  There's a biological difference, but it's totally value-neutral.

You take LSD and you see God.  Or you take LSD and you want to curl up in a corner and die.  Neither is "good" or "bad."  It's just the way your biology reacts.

If nature intended for all of us to possess enlightenment or cosmic consciousness or whatever you want to call it, we would.  All of us.

Nature "intends" for human beings to have 10 fingers and 10 toes.  A small number of people -- a very small number -- are born with more than that or less than that -- but the vast, vast majority of us are born with exactly that number.

It's neither "good" nor "bad."

It is, in my opinion, just the way it is.


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Re: how it works [Re: all this beauty]
    #19164816 - 11/20/13 11:49 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


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