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Tyranny in America
    #19144468 - 11/16/13 07:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I hope this is in the right forum. I also apologize for the length of it.

The tyranny we are faced with is absolutely astounding. Everyday I find more ways that the government is taking away our rights as Americans. Try searching in google for "ways the government has taken our rights" there is website after website. Some have repeated information yes, but most touch up on different rights and the many ways they are violated everyday.

The fact that Americans are idly watching as this happens is even more astounding. It's the same as idly watching someone walk into your home and take your material possessions. No one in there right mind would allow this. So why are we just sitting with our thumbs up our asses while this happens.

Our forefathers are rolling in their graves right now. So many people have fought and died to protect these rights and freedoms. Why are we allowing this, everything they died for will be in vain.

Why do we make people take the oath of office if no one will uphold it. What does it say? "I will SUPPORT AND DEFEND the constitution against threats both foreign and DOMESTIC.

The people should not fear their government. The government should fear the people. We as the people have the "Right of revolution". To overthrow our government and establish and elect new officials.

James Madison said "I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations."
Mark my words a revolution is in order and if the people don't realize it and act accordingly we will find ourselves in a totalitarian government and then it will be too late.

Spread the knowledge! Make the average citizen aware of these tyrannies  together we CAN make a difference!


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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: magickspore]
    #19144598 - 11/16/13 09:07 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

So, uhm, what rights have they taken away?


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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: Le_Canard]
    #19146097 - 11/16/13 04:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: magickspore]
    #19146219 - 11/16/13 05:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I would like to point out that the 4th amendment prohibits searches without a warrant.  Who grants warrants?  The government.


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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19146516 - 11/16/13 06:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Technically its a judge and judges are supposed to be impartial to anything but the facts at hand when presented with the warrant request. With the new law the pigs can just lie and bypass the system. Its not right no matter how you look at it, and if you looked at the other pages on the first site I linked you would see its not just our 4th amendment rights it's all of them 1-10.


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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: magickspore] * 1
    #19146817 - 11/16/13 08:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i read this thread topic as "Tranny in America". I came here to fap to some tranny porn, not to read some whiney bullshit. so dissapointed.


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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: pantsboy]
    #19148780 - 11/17/13 08:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Plurality - multiplicity of views - often due to internet - lack of complete coverage = these are reasons people do not rally.  They are all unsure of the real facts and the huge plethora of disturbing breaches of human rights lead to confusion.  I should start over. Confusion is the reason people do not rally.  For each opinion about something there's another counter-opinion.  Actual facts are hard to come by. 

Prosecution must prove facts before a judgement is made.  Mere hearsay about some breach of rights isn't the same hard evidence used to show 'beyond reasonable doubt.'  Changes in the US Constitution which allow broader powers for search and seizure aren't the same as illegally abusing the same - even though we all know that the governments of the world are ever less concerned with being legally correct, we can't prove it.


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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: eve69]
    #19149285 - 11/17/13 11:21 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

True in most cases hard evidence is needed, but if we wait for the "hard" evidence it will be too late. The kind of hard evidence you are waiting for will be the soldiers marching through our streets. I've been tried and convicted on far far less then then what I have given for references. If the people cared the evidence is there, but they have become to dumbed down, telling us it's for our safety and security. "It's all a load of crap sold by the world's biggest fertilizer salesman." The sites I have given are all that is needed to "prove beyond a reasonable doubt" of their crimes.


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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: magickspore]
    #19149319 - 11/17/13 11:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Convicted of what?


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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19149658 - 11/17/13 12:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

That's neither here nor there but if you must know B and E night time on 2 separate occasions. 1st time I was truly innocent just in the wrong place at the wrong time but bec I was very drunk I did not exercise my right to remain silent and made things worse. 2nd time was my fault but I got snitched out.


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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: magickspore]
    #19149841 - 11/17/13 01:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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That's neither here nor there but if you must know B and E night time on 2 separate occasions. 1st time I was truly innocent just in the wrong place at the wrong time but bec I was very drunk I did not exercise my right to remain silent and made things worse. 2nd time was my fault but I got snitched out.



So you're a fucking thief who thinks he should get off on technicalities?  Go away.  Thieves are scum.


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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19149977 - 11/17/13 02:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

If you keep people comfortable, you can one by one, group by group, target the undesirable people and the masses will not protest until it is too late. Examine what Hitler did in Germany, and you will see the same sort of stimuli and reactions occurring in America, but in slow motion.


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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: Eywa_devotee]
    #19150058 - 11/17/13 02:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

"So you're a fucking thief who thinks he should get off on technicalities?  Go away.  Thieves are scum"

I was way worse than just a petty thief, but that was a lifetime ago and ppl change. Karma got me for my wrong doings, I've paid my dues and everybody is deserving of a second chance. Besides who are you to judge another person. You think your shit don't stink?


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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: Eywa_devotee]
    #19150070 - 11/17/13 02:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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If you keep people comfortable, you can one by one, group by group, target the undesirable people and the masses will not protest until it is too late. Examine what Hitler did in Germany, and you will see the same sort of stimuli and reactions occurring in America, but in slow motion.[/quote/]

That's what I was saying with, James Madison said "I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations


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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: magickspore]
    #19150109 - 11/17/13 02:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

who thinks he should get off on technicalities?

On a technicality?! Being truly innocent is not a "technicality" You don't know the circumstances of the first time and I had everything expunged from my record so go fuck yourself. In the eyes of anyone I'm clean and free.


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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: magickspore]
    #19150119 - 11/17/13 02:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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"So you're a fucking thief who thinks he should get off on technicalities?  Go away.  Thieves are scum"

I was way worse than just a petty thief, but that was a lifetime ago and ppl change. Karma got me for my wrong doings, I've paid my dues and everybody is deserving of a second chance. Besides who are you to judge another person. You think your shit don't stink?




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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19150265 - 11/17/13 03:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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magickspore said:
"So you're a fucking thief who thinks he should get off on technicalities?  Go away.  Thieves are scum"

I was way worse than just a petty thief, but that was a lifetime ago and ppl change. Karma got me for my wrong doings, I've paid my dues and everybody is deserving of a second chance. Besides who are you to judge another person. You think your shit don't stink?




I'm not a fucking thief




False, you exploit the labor of the proletariat.


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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: Smokey420]
    #19150355 - 11/17/13 03:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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magickspore said:
"So you're a fucking thief who thinks he should get off on technicalities?  Go away.  Thieves are scum"

I was way worse than just a petty thief, but that was a lifetime ago and ppl change. Karma got me for my wrong doings, I've paid my dues and everybody is deserving of a second chance. Besides who are you to judge another person. You think your shit don't stink?




I'm not a fucking thief




False, you exploit the labor of the proletariat.




Me? Bec as I stated above I've paid my dues and work hard for everything I have now. Just bec my hobbies are alil less then legal doesn't change the fact that I work hard for my things. If you were not talking abt me then please continue. But I would appreciate if we can get back to the topic at hand.


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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: magickspore]
    #19150584 - 11/17/13 04:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I was replying to Zappa who is a business owner.


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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: Smokey420]
    #19150619 - 11/17/13 04:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Ok thanks for clearing that up for me.


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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: Smokey420]
    #19151127 - 11/17/13 06:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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magickspore said:
"So you're a fucking thief who thinks he should get off on technicalities?  Go away.  Thieves are scum"

I was way worse than just a petty thief, but that was a lifetime ago and ppl change. Karma got me for my wrong doings, I've paid my dues and everybody is deserving of a second chance. Besides who are you to judge another person. You think your shit don't stink?




I'm not a fucking thief




False, you exploit the labor of the proletariat.



:facepalm:I am the labor of the proletariat.


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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: magickspore]
    #19151254 - 11/17/13 06:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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"So you're a fucking thief who thinks he should get off on technicalities?  Go away.  Thieves are scum"

I was way worse than just a petty thief, but that was a lifetime ago and ppl change. Karma got me for my wrong doings, I've paid my dues and everybody is deserving of a second chance. Besides who are you to judge another person. You think your shit don't stink?




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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: magickspore]
    #19151306 - 11/17/13 07:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

:shrug:

we'll reap what we sow


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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: JesusIsLord]
    #19155466 - 11/18/13 05:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You have a tyrannical Government illegally invading other sovereign nations, terrorizing their people and then you expect that same government to be just and righteous to it's own people ?

You create the beast 666 now you deal with it


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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: wowwtf]
    #19156254 - 11/18/13 07:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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You have a tyrannical Government illegally invading other sovereign nations, terrorizing their people and then you expect that same government to be just and righteous to it's own people ?

You create the beast 666 now you deal with it




Who?  Iraq after they invaded Kuwait?  Afghanistan after they succored and offered sanctuary to a mass murderer?


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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: magickspore]
    #19163090 - 11/20/13 12:37 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Obviously this government with the jackass in chief at the helm has so far overreached and violated our constitutional rights its sickening. The whole goddamned fear mongering/terrorism/bomb/jihad/ justification for dry fucking the American public is so played out, yet still used.

Can you imagine the founding fathers walking to independence hall to draft the constitution, and on the way the local constable told them to get up against the wall for a "stop and frisk". I guarantee you someone would have been shot. Probable cause? Who the hell needs that. Search warrant, hell no, not with all this terrorism and violence going around. Now Franklin "Up against the motherfucking wall so I can grab your saggy balls and rifle through your personal effects !"

Randon searches? Ooh hell yes, they are totally constitutional. What was the rationale given?

1."The risk of a terrorist bombing of New York City's subway system is real and substantial," U.S. District Judge Richard M. Berman said in a 41-page ruling.

2."Because the threat of terrorism is great and the consequences of unpreparedness may be catastrophic, it would seem foolish not to rely upon those qualified persons in the best position to know," Berman said.

3.Gail Donoghue, a city lawyer, called the searches a "life and death" necessity and said the city should not wait for a specific threat or an attack to implement security.

4."That kind of complacency is a very dangerous thing," she said. "The threat is immediate. It is real and of extreme concern to those who run the counterterrorism in this city."

5."Terrorists are looking for certainty. They have limited resources. An element of uncertainty changes the odds," she added.

6.During the trial, Deputy Police Commissioner David Cohen said the searches keep terrorists guessing about law enforcement activity.

7."Unpredictability is the enemy of terrorists and the ally of those trying to prevent an attack," said Cohen, who joined the police department after a three-decade career at the CIA analyzing the threat of terrorism.

Scared much?

Of course I just love how Obama spoke of how HE had to find a way to "balance" our freedoms and rights in the face of you know, more terrorism. I'm sorry, but I was not aware that our constitutional rights were up for negotiation, nor did we give that douche the right to do so. I believe the founding fathers were magnitudes of order more intelligent, pragmatic, insightful, and prudent  than the asswipe in office with the teleprompter could ever dream of being.

WTF do people not understand about "shall not be infringed"? Or

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

The constitution is a fucking joke. When the government can read your e-mails, listen to your phone calls, look at your personal financial and medical records, grab your 3 year old daughters vagina in the airport, throw you up against a wall and search you, shoot at unarmed citizens while they are running away, arrest citizens for peaceably protesting, force you to purchase something you don't want, or preventing you from purchasing something you do, or hell they can put you on "Obamas hit list" and ghost your sorry ass when you have been convicted of no crime whatsoever.

WTF happened to "no person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law"? If OBAMA says you no longer have these constitutional rights, then you don't. Fuck you, fuck the constitution, fuck the law, "our lord and savior" Obama has spoken, and shall not be questioned, unless you be a racist of course.


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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: wowwtf]
    #19163595 - 11/20/13 05:02 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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You have a tyrannical Government illegally invading other sovereign nations, terrorizing their people and then you expect that same government to be just and righteous to it's own people ?

You create the beast 666 now you deal with it





Um yes, this is exactly what most Americans expect. It's okay when the tyranny happens overseas and results in us having cheap gas and even cheaper goods but the moment it actually effects us? That is NOT allowed!

C'est la  vie l'American.

And MOST Americans have no idea just how much of a role we've played in the destabilizing of democratically elected governments abroad. It's a little maddeninig and a whole lot something to be ashamed of.


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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: Therian]
    #19163880 - 11/20/13 07:46 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm sorry, but I was not aware that our constitutional rights were up for negotiation



That's a problem.  You need to make yourself more aware about the Constitution and how the rights listed therein are interpreted.


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    #19164033 - 11/20/13 09:01 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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That's a problem.  You need to make yourself more aware about the Constitution and how the rights listed therein are interpreted.





Oh, C'mon.  Any fool knows that in the US your rights are defined by a political clown who gets up, gives a speech that tells you something is your 'right,' and that your 'right' is being taken away by the clown that is running against him in the next election. :smirk:


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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19169997 - 11/21/13 12:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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That's a problem.  You need to make yourself more aware about the Constitution and how the rights listed therein are interpreted.




I do understand the constitution, the problem being is that over time it has been so bastardized, convoluted, and debased from its original intent by lying, deceiving, perverted, flotsam known as lawyers that we now must debate "what the meaning of is, is"

I do know that the president took an oath to protect the constitution, not violate it, and the american publics basic rights. Of course when Obama uses the term "balance" with all his wonderful lawyer-esque  legalese he is full of shit. There is no "balancing" there most certainly is no fulcrum. It is more analogous to a pendulum, whereas reciprocity prevails. When the government "balances" our basic "god given" constitutional rights they merely are violating, undermining, and repealing our constitutional rights, while simultaneously giving themselves more rights and power to take ours from us.

We could very easily repeal all of our constitutional rights and greatly diminish crime, but fear, crime, and terrorism are not justifications to violate the laws of the country and the rights of the citizenry. Where in the constitution does it read that one has the right to due process of law, unless the president deems you don't, and may kill you with a predator drone strike if he feels he is "so good at killing"

Where does it read that the presumption that the president, on his say-so alone, can order the death of any person, even an American citizen, and this, his deliberation over the decision alone constitutes “due process.” Where does it say one should be free in their person and papers from illegal search and seizure, until the president states that you don't. Or perhaps unless he decides that your your personal phone calls and e-mails are deserving of surveillance.

  Speedy trial? Fuck that too. First amendment rights? Only if your message represents that of the president. The fact that the lying douche in office portrays himself as champion defender of our rights while attempting to violate them is sickening. I wonder he ever just sits in the office and laughs his ass off at just how fucking gullible and apathetic the citizens are. " Yo Joe, can you believe the shit we can get away with, what these dumbasses will put up with, just how far we can go with dry ass fucking them? Sure Barak, I told you to never underestimate just what a " cleaned up, articulate negro could get away with, now lets go read Merkels personal e-mails she sent to her husband" Who said we need a warrant for a wiretap anyhow? Who gives a shit that we have quadrupled them over what Bush had done, HE is the one that should take the blame.

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This from Obama;
Bush “puts forward a false choice between the liberties we cherish and the security we demand. I will provide our intelligence and law-enforcement agencies with the tools they need to track and take out the terrorists without undermining our Constitution and our freedom,”

“We will again set an example for the world that the law is not subject to the whims of stubborn rulers, and that justice is not arbitrary,” Obama added. “This administration acts like violating civil liberties is the way to enhance our security. It is not. There are no short-cuts to protecting America.”

During his presidential campaign he reinforced these earlier stances by promising to "strengthen privacy protections for the digital age and … harness the power of technology to hold government and business accountable for violations of personal privacy."

That means no more illegal wiretapping of American citizens. No more national security letters to spy on citizens who are not suspected of a crime. No more tracking citizens who do nothing more than protest a misguided war. No more ignoring the law when it is inconvenient,"

“There is no reason we cannot fight terrorism while maintaining our civil liberties.”




"I take the Constitution very seriously," he said. "The biggest problems that we’re facing right now have to do with George Bush trying to bring more and more power into the executive branch and not go through Congress at all. And that’s what I intend to reverse when I’m president of the United States of America."
More absolutely fantastic bullshit and lies from Barak.


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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: Therian]
    #19170039 - 11/21/13 01:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I do understand the constitution, the problem being is that over time it has been so bastardized, convoluted, and debased from its original intent by lying, deceiving, perverted, flotsam known as lawyers that we now must debate "what the meaning of is, is"

I do know that the president took an oath to protect the constitution, not violate it, and the american publics basic rights. Of course when Obama uses the term "balance" with all his wonderful lawyer-esque  legalese he is full of shit. There is no "balancing" there most certainly is no fulcrum. It is more analogous to a pendulum, whereas reciprocity prevails. When the government "balances" our basic "god given" constitutional rights they merely are violating, undermining, and repealing our constitutional rights, while simultaneously giving themselves more rights and power to take ours from us.

We could very easily repeal all of our constitutional rights and greatly diminish crime, but fear, crime, and terrorism are not justifications to violate the laws of the country and the rights of the citizenry. Where in the constitution does it read that one has the right to due process of law, unless the president deems you don't, and may kill you with a predator drone strike if he feels he is "so good at killing"

Where does it read that the presumption that the president, on his say-so alone, can order the death of any person, even an American citizen, and this, his deliberation over the decision alone constitutes “due process.” Where does it say one should be free in their person and papers from illegal search and seizure, until the president states that you don't. Or perhaps unless he decides that your your personal phone calls and e-mails are deserving of surveillance.

  Speedy trial? Fuck that too. First amendment rights? Only if your message represents that of the president. The fact that the lying douche in office portrays himself as champion defender of our rights while attempting to violate them is sickening. I wonder he ever just sits in the office and laughs his ass off at just how fucking gullible and apathetic the citizens are. " Yo Joe, can you believe the shit we can get away with, what these dumbasses will put up with, just how far we can go with dry ass fucking them? Sure Barak, I told you to never underestimate just what a " cleaned up, articulate negro could get away with, now lets go read Merkels personal e-mails she sent to her husband" Who said we need a warrant for a wiretap anyhow? Who gives a shit that we have quadrupled them over what Bush had done, HE is the one that should take the blame.




Nice rant, bro...

Unfortunately, it isn't founded in any factual basis.  You have more civil rights today than U.S. citizens had when the constitution was ratified. In 1805 citizens had ZERO first amendment protection from state governments...the same goes for the rest of the bill of rights, too.


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    #19170697 - 11/21/13 03:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Unfortunately, it isn't founded in any factual basis.




Are you high? No factual basis? OK, you're right, the Gov. is not conducting WARRANTLESS wiretaps, is not collecting data on personal e-mails and phone calls, is not arresting those for peaceably protesting, Obama does not have a personal hit list, Obama has not killed American citizens without due process, police don't stop and frisk to search innocent civilians without probable cause,entire groups of Americans which have committed no crime are not being "targeted" by this administration, people are not being held indefinitely without bail, people are not allowed to have guns in certain areas for self protection, despite their rights which shall not be infringed, etc.etc.etc.

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In 1805 citizens had ZERO first amendment protection from state governments...the same goes for the rest of the bill of rights, too.




Oh, yeah makes perfect sense. In the 60's people should have told the Negros " Jesus christ, only 100 years ago you had no rights whatsoever" so just sit the fuck down and shut up. I would've loved to see how that worked.

Why don't you go work with some asbestos without a respirator or protective equipment, when you eventually are diagnosed with cancer your physician can just tell you to quit bitching, hell in 1805 workers had no rights at all.

Guess this justifies Obamas hit list, I wonder when he will be sending some nice, comfy, smallpox ridden blankets to the guns and religion types.  Yes, our rights are being violated.

Speaking of the 1800's, I believe you could work for the Obama admin. in their lets use obsolete, obscure laws, to try to justify the  passing of any bullshit legislation to further governments overreaching intrusion into the lives of Americans.

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The Obama administration on Tuesday defended its effort to regulate the tax return preparation business for the first time in U.S. history, basing its case largely on a 19th century law dealing with horses lost or killed in the Civil War.

But he explained that the administration sees the "Horse Act of 1884" as providing ample authority for the U.S. Internal Revenue Service to regulate the tens of thousands of preparers who fill out millions of Americans' federal tax returns.




Yep, makes perfect sense, Obama and the IRS will site a 19th century horse act law, to of course increase more bureaucracy in an already incompetent, corrupt, lying governmental agency.


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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: Therian]
    #19170719 - 11/21/13 03:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

First, you argued that the Constitution is being eroded in ways that makes it less protective than the founding fathers intended...

Then, when I point out that the Constitutional protections are far stronger today than they were when the Constitution was ratified, you launch into another rant about how things were fucked up in 1805...

Which is it, kid?  Is the constitution weaker than the founding fathers intended it to be or is it stronger?  It is certainly stronger than it was at ratification, but I need to know your position before I tear it to shreds.


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    #19170828 - 11/21/13 03:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Thank you therian I'm glad SOMEBODY else gets it. Keep spreading the truth those that deny it will be the first ones sent to a camp. You know those lovely day spas that Hitler sent the Jews to and one of our presidents sent all the asian-Americans after pearl harbor. Boy I hear those are real fun. You will enjoy all your "rights" while you're there. Oh and I hear they serve a wonderful cockmeat sandwich. Hope you're hungry.

Meanwhile me and a select few others will be fighting and probably dying for what's right.

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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: magickspore]
    #19170898 - 11/21/13 04:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Ok 1st it's both. Its stronger bec we as a species have grown wiser.
Its also being torn to shreds by minor changes and loop holes. You sir are the one that is confused. You are correct in your statement but confused as to why let me clarify.

Back in the 1800s 1900s They did best with the knowledge and wisdom they possessed. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be subject to change like say the abolishment of slavery. They thought black ppl were less then human and should be used as animals. that's wrong. We as we are now know better there for it should be subject to that change.

The rights we are talking abt and say are being violated are things that are NOT to be messed with UNLESS the collective group of people deem so not bec a bunch of HYPOCRITES say so ie congress, supreme court and president.
And 1 more thing the supreme court is supposed to protect us the most but even they have been corrupted.

  If we the PEOPLE agree that these are acceptable loses to our rights to "protect" us then so be it. But I guarantee half the population doesn't even know or if they do they do not realize the extent of it.


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    #19170910 - 11/21/13 04:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Ps Therian if u have anything to add or change please do so.


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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: magickspore]
    #19170920 - 11/21/13 04:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

He's talking about the first and fourth amendments...They didn't even apply to state governments until 1925 and 1949 respectively.

And they never thought black people weren't human.  They always knew they were human, but they had a strong economic incentive to use slave labor.


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    #19170996 - 11/21/13 04:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Ok changed my post a lil bit I mispoke. They thought they were less then human and therefore not subject to the same rights. Which then led to them using them as a free work force.

As for which amendments he is complaining about doesn't matter. They are ALL being infringed on.  True they were not in affect then but they are NOW. IDGF what they did or didn't have then. Its the fact we have those rights now and we expect to keep said rights till the end of the world.


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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: magickspore]
    #19171006 - 11/21/13 04:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

So, you admit that the Constitution provides more protection today than it did when it was originally ratified by the founding fathers...


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    #19171165 - 11/21/13 04:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Of course but only because because we as a species have grown wiser. Now we have unfortunately also grown blind. Also I can only speak for myself and what my views are not anyone else.

And 1 more time WTF does what "they" had have anything to do with what we have now and what's being taken away.

You didn't have computers and the game systems that we have now but if you bought one and someone came and took it away you would still be pissed. Oh but that's right they can just say "well you didn't have 1 then so you don't need it now." and everything will be fine. Your argument is invalid and has nothing to do with this post.


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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: magickspore]
    #19171193 - 11/21/13 04:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It has everything to do with Therian's rant about how the constitution is no longer as protective as the founding fathers intended it to be.

That is simply false, it is far more protective than the founding fathers intended it to be.  It might be somewhat less protective in certain ways than it was 30 years ago, but it is also more protective in other ways.


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    #19171407 - 11/21/13 05:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Ok fine bec I don't feel like re reading therians post I'll let him argue his point.
BUT I strongly disagree with that last sentence it is in absolutely no way better then what it was. True it does give certain people more rights ie women and black people, but that doesn't mean they have the right to loop hole us and make changes WITHOUT the peoples consent!
Again MY problem has nothing to do with "what's better then or now" and everything to do with the fact that I feel my rights are being violated in a multitude of ways and I have absolutely no say or control over how they decide to rape me. They just wanna dry fuck the shit out of us no lube no spit. Not even a dinner and movie. They (the gov) are just bending us over and fucking us.
It infuriates me bec more then half the population doesn't even care sure lets let Obama and congress shove they're fuckin cocks up are asses that may be fine for some, but not me. I refuse to just bend over and take it. They day anyone comes to my house and violates my rights is they day the news headlines will read "Local killed in shoot out. Local police mourn losses."


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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: magickspore]
    #19171572 - 11/21/13 06:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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it is in absolutely no way better then what it was.



Really?  In the last 5 years it has gotten better, even.  The right to bear arms was defined as an individual right AND applied to the states.  The right to freedom of speech was affirmed to apply to groups of citizens in addition to citizens...

Sounds like we're heading in the right direction overall.


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    #19172342 - 11/21/13 07:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

'Rights' has become such a loaded political term that it is hard to understand what the average person means, or what a politician means, when they talk about 'rights'

I do think one of the reasons that Obama chooses not to go after states that have legalized marijuana by vote is that he basically doesn't believe in states rights, and doesn't want to have a bad outcome in a states rights case interfere with his political agenda by having states rights reaffirmed or strengthened.

He does believe in states rights when it serves his agenda.

Basically, the way I hear 'rights' used by politicians is that a 'right' is something the opponent running against one in the next election is trying to take away from the people.


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    #19172389 - 11/21/13 08:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Who?  Iraq after they invaded Kuwait?  Afghanistan after they succored and offered sanctuary to a mass murderer?




Stupid Much ?

First of all you don't even know the history of the first gulf war and you bring it up like you know what you're talking about. The majority of Americans weren't sold on invading Iraq just because Saddam was about to take over the U.S. Proxy Oil State of Kuwait, they were sold a bs story about Iraqi soldiers coming into Kuwaiti hospitals and murdering babies. That war was about protecting Oil investments in the gulf of Persia and nothing more.

As for Afghanistan your premise is that Afghanistan was Harboring Osama Bin Laden the same guy the CIA funded against the soviets in the russo afghan war in the 80s. The Flaw in your reasoning is that you actually believe invading Afghanistan was about Osama Bin Laden. You clearly don't understand the dynamic of what the average civilian in America is being sold through his Propaganda/television box and what the actual military and economic strategy behind warfare is.

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    #19172411 - 11/21/13 08:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Who?  Iraq after they invaded Kuwait?  Afghanistan after they succored and offered sanctuary to a mass murderer?




Stupid Much ?

First of all you don't even know the history of the first gulf war and you bring it up like you know what you're talking about. The majority of Americans weren't sold on invading Iraq just because Saddam was about to take over the U.S. Proxy Oil State of Kuwait, they were sold a bs story about Iraqi soldiers coming into Kuwaiti hospitals and murdering babies. That war was about protecting Oil investments in the gulf of Persia and nothing more.

As for Afghanistan your premise is that Afghanistan was Harboring Osama Bin Laden the same guy the CIA funded against the soviets in the russo afghan war in the 80s. The Flaw in your reasoning is that you actually believe invading Afghanistan was about Osama Bin Laden. You clearly don't understand the dynamic of what the average civilian in America is being sold through his Propaganda/television box and what the actual military and economic strategy behind warfare is.

There's the propaganda that you the average sheep is programmed to believe and then there is the reality which you have no intelligence clearance to obtain.




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    #19172424 - 11/21/13 08:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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There is so much deranged nonsense in this post it beggars belief




That's exactly what I would expect someone to say when they can no longer further their asinine point and have been placed in a position of a one sentence ignoramus comment.

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    #19172519 - 11/21/13 08:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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    #19172734 - 11/21/13 09:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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it is in absolutely no way better then what it was.



Really?  In the last 5 years it has gotten better, even.  The right to bear arms was defined as an individual right AND applied to the states.  The right to freedom of speech was affirmed to apply to groups of citizens in addition to citizens...

Sounds like we're heading in the right direction overall.




It was always an individuals right to bear arms true some of the stricter states required an fid card or w.e. but it was always our right. I could walk into walmart at 18 and buy a rifle or shotgun. At 21 I could carry a concealed handgun and did. It wasn't until last year that I felt my right to do this being taken away.  Oh affirmed huh, so that's why people can no longer protest if its against the president or anyone he appoints immune

Yea that sounds like the right direction alright. Not to mention every other right in the bill of rights. Everyone keeps picking on 1 or 2 different rights. No one seems to get it. It's all of them each and every one in some way has been violated, loop holed or completely abandoned.


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    #19172874 - 11/21/13 10:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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    #19172917 - 11/21/13 10:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Your efforts will be futile





While I agree that the US often sticks its nose in places it shouldn't, I don't think anyone here knows the REAL reason the US is so adamant about going after the various Jihadist groups. 

it doesn't have to do with revenge for 911, or anything of that sort.  Let me give you a clue.

Go through one of the US border patrol checkpoints on I-10 or I-8, after you've had a barium (radioactive) milkshake for a medical procedure and see what happens.  You'll be suprised.

What the US is trying to do is prevent the detonation of a nuclear device inside the united states, which is one of the goals of certain organizations affiliated with the Jihadists.  This has been known to US intelligence for about 25 years. 

Now, before you start your Moonbat crying about 'oh, the poor people, blah blah blah' the innocent 'blah blah blah' if you think some people have been hurt by the US, just wait and see what happens if the terrorists do set a nuclear weapon off in the US.

The US is going to seriously fuck up every country that they know had any complacency in it, and its going to be sad because millions will die.  And at another level, if you think the US response is bad, just let some asshat muslim jihadist set some kind of WMD off in Israel.

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    #19173130 - 11/21/13 11:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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you launch into another rant about how things were fucked up in 1805...




WTF are you talking about? You are the one who decided to bring up 1805 and past history. Actually I was making fun of your pathetic rebuttal to the fact that our rights are being violated when you stated that a few hundred years ago it was worse, thus somehow justifying your refusal to accept the fact we are being dry ass fucked, but I'm sure to you that constitutes just another Saturday night, whereas the rest of us find it unacceptable.

Really? You sound just like Obama when he pretty much says yes I'm a fucking lying douchbag lawyer that has absolutely no problem fucking the American citizen over, time and again, BUT WAIT, look what Bush or someone else did before me. See since they fucked you over too, I'm not so bad.


The history of the incorporation of the constitution to state law has absolutely nothing to do with how I specifically stated Obama was in direct defiance of and guilty of violating our constitutional rights. I gave you plenty of specific examples, as well as empirical data, of course none of which you addressed.



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Which is it, kid?  Is the constitution weaker than the founding fathers intended it to be or is it stronger?




As I have previously stated the depraved, lying, ambulance chasing, chicken shit slime that characterizes themselves as lawyers/politicians have completely violated, bastardized, and trampled on rights specifically written in the constitution, as well as those inalienable, god given, self evident natural rights.

We could easily go amendment by amendment and provide numerous examples of how the politicians have complete disregard for the constitution they were sworn to protect, and no I was not merely speaking of just the first and fourth.

Tell me where in the constitution does it state one has the right to keep and bear arms, and this right shall not be infringed,....unless you live in xyz district, or unless your firearm isn't approved by Clinton, or unless it only holds so many rounds, or unless you are in a specific building, or unless the barrel is as long as the democrats feel necessary, or unless you are a really special important person who's life and that of his family are far more important and valuable than yours (such as members of congress).  Or unless after they go through your personal medical records they find that in the past you sought help from a counselor, or have ever taken anti anxiety medication.


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    #19173388 - 11/22/13 01:47 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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you launch into another rant about how things were fucked up in 1805...




WTF are you talking about? You are the one who decided to bring up 1805 and past history. Actually I was making fun of your pathetic rebuttal to the fact that our rights are being violated when you stated that a few hundred years ago it was worse, thus somehow justifying your refusal to accept the fact we are being dry ass fucked, but I'm sure to you that constitutes just another Saturday night, whereas the rest of us find it unacceptable.

Really? You sound just like Obama when he pretty much says yes I'm a fucking lying douchbag lawyer that has absolutely no problem fucking the American citizen over, time and again, BUT WAIT, look what Bush or someone else did before me. See since they fucked you over too, I'm not so bad.


The history of the incorporation of the constitution to state law has absolutely nothing to do with how I specifically stated Obama was in direct defiance of and guilty of violating our constitutional rights. I gave you plenty of specific examples, as well as empirical data, of course none of which you addressed.



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Which is it, kid?  Is the constitution weaker than the founding fathers intended it to be or is it stronger?




As I have previously stated the depraved, lying, ambulance chasing, chicken shit slime that characterizes themselves as lawyers/politicians have completely violated, bastardized, and trampled on rights specifically written in the constitution, as well as those inalienable, god given, self evident natural rights.

We could easily go amendment by amendment and provide numerous examples of how the politicians have complete disregard for the constitution they were sworn to protect, and no I was not merely speaking of just the first and fourth.

Tell me where in the constitution does it state one has the right to keep and bear arms, and this right shall not be infringed,....unless you live in xyz district, or unless your firearm isn't approved by Clinton, or unless it only holds so many rounds, or unless you are in a specific building, or unless the barrel is as long as the democrats feel necessary, or unless you are a really special important person who's life and that of his family are far more important and valuable than yours (such as members of congress).  Or unless after they go through your personal medical records they find that in the past you sought help from a counselor, or have ever taken anti anxiety medication.




Don't respond to me about that post.  I'm innocent.  Enlil's the guitly one.


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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: magickspore]
    #19173648 - 11/22/13 05:00 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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it is in absolutely no way better then what it was.



Really?  In the last 5 years it has gotten better, even.  The right to bear arms was defined as an individual right AND applied to the states.  The right to freedom of speech was affirmed to apply to groups of citizens in addition to citizens...

Sounds like we're heading in the right direction overall.




It was always an individuals right to bear arms true some of the stricter states required an fid card or w.e. but it was always our right. I could walk into walmart at 18 and buy a rifle or shotgun. At 21 I could carry a concealed handgun and did. It wasn't until last year that I felt my right to do this being taken away.  Oh affirmed huh, so that's why people can no longer protest if its against the president or anyone he appoints immune

Yea that sounds like the right direction alright. Not to mention every other right in the bill of rights. Everyone keeps picking on 1 or 2 different rights. No one seems to get it. It's all of them each and every one in some way has been violated, loop holed or completely abandoned.



Again...you don't get it.  No right is absolute.  They never have been.  And you are missing the bigger picture here.


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    #19173658 - 11/22/13 05:05 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Tell me where in the constitution does it state one has the right to keep and bear arms, and this right shall not be infringed,....unless you live in xyz district, or unless your firearm isn't approved by Clinton, or unless it only holds so many rounds, or unless you are in a specific building, or unless the barrel is as long as the democrats feel necessary, or unless you are a really special important person who's life and that of his family are far more important and valuable than yours (such as members of congress).  Or unless after they go through your personal medical records they find that in the past you sought help from a counselor, or have ever taken anti anxiety medication.



Your rants are amusing, but they aren't particularly informative.

You made a claim.  You said that the constitution is being eroded and that the founding fathers would be up in arms if they saw what the constitution means today.

I countered by telling you that the constitution is stronger today and provides more protection today than the framers intended.

What part of that is hard to understand?  If you don't like the way the 4th is interpreted today, you'd have hated the way the framers intended.  And the 1st?  The framers wanted states to be able to establish official religions for a state.  Today, states can't do that because the constitution is so much stronger than it was back then.

If you have a specific point where you think that constitutional protections are weaker than they were, I'd love to hear it, but I'm not sifting through a block of sarcastic rhetoric to find any point that you may have.  Either communicate clearly or expect no response to your rant from me.


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