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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: magickspore]
    #19171193 - 11/21/13 04:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It has everything to do with Therian's rant about how the constitution is no longer as protective as the founding fathers intended it to be.

That is simply false, it is far more protective than the founding fathers intended it to be.  It might be somewhat less protective in certain ways than it was 30 years ago, but it is also more protective in other ways.


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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: Enlil]
    #19171407 - 11/21/13 05:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Ok fine bec I don't feel like re reading therians post I'll let him argue his point.
BUT I strongly disagree with that last sentence it is in absolutely no way better then what it was. True it does give certain people more rights ie women and black people, but that doesn't mean they have the right to loop hole us and make changes WITHOUT the peoples consent!
Again MY problem has nothing to do with "what's better then or now" and everything to do with the fact that I feel my rights are being violated in a multitude of ways and I have absolutely no say or control over how they decide to rape me. They just wanna dry fuck the shit out of us no lube no spit. Not even a dinner and movie. They (the gov) are just bending us over and fucking us.
It infuriates me bec more then half the population doesn't even care sure lets let Obama and congress shove they're fuckin cocks up are asses that may be fine for some, but not me. I refuse to just bend over and take it. They day anyone comes to my house and violates my rights is they day the news headlines will read "Local killed in shoot out. Local police mourn losses."


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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: magickspore]
    #19171572 - 11/21/13 06:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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it is in absolutely no way better then what it was.



Really?  In the last 5 years it has gotten better, even.  The right to bear arms was defined as an individual right AND applied to the states.  The right to freedom of speech was affirmed to apply to groups of citizens in addition to citizens...

Sounds like we're heading in the right direction overall.


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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: Enlil]
    #19172342 - 11/21/13 07:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

'Rights' has become such a loaded political term that it is hard to understand what the average person means, or what a politician means, when they talk about 'rights'

I do think one of the reasons that Obama chooses not to go after states that have legalized marijuana by vote is that he basically doesn't believe in states rights, and doesn't want to have a bad outcome in a states rights case interfere with his political agenda by having states rights reaffirmed or strengthened.

He does believe in states rights when it serves his agenda.

Basically, the way I hear 'rights' used by politicians is that a 'right' is something the opponent running against one in the next election is trying to take away from the people.


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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19172389 - 11/21/13 08:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Who?  Iraq after they invaded Kuwait?  Afghanistan after they succored and offered sanctuary to a mass murderer?




Stupid Much ?

First of all you don't even know the history of the first gulf war and you bring it up like you know what you're talking about. The majority of Americans weren't sold on invading Iraq just because Saddam was about to take over the U.S. Proxy Oil State of Kuwait, they were sold a bs story about Iraqi soldiers coming into Kuwaiti hospitals and murdering babies. That war was about protecting Oil investments in the gulf of Persia and nothing more.

As for Afghanistan your premise is that Afghanistan was Harboring Osama Bin Laden the same guy the CIA funded against the soviets in the russo afghan war in the 80s. The Flaw in your reasoning is that you actually believe invading Afghanistan was about Osama Bin Laden. You clearly don't understand the dynamic of what the average civilian in America is being sold through his Propaganda/television box and what the actual military and economic strategy behind warfare is.

There's the propaganda that you the average sheep is programmed to believe and then there is the reality which you have no intelligence clearance to obtain.


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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: wowwtf]
    #19172411 - 11/21/13 08:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Who?  Iraq after they invaded Kuwait?  Afghanistan after they succored and offered sanctuary to a mass murderer?




Stupid Much ?

First of all you don't even know the history of the first gulf war and you bring it up like you know what you're talking about. The majority of Americans weren't sold on invading Iraq just because Saddam was about to take over the U.S. Proxy Oil State of Kuwait, they were sold a bs story about Iraqi soldiers coming into Kuwaiti hospitals and murdering babies. That war was about protecting Oil investments in the gulf of Persia and nothing more.

As for Afghanistan your premise is that Afghanistan was Harboring Osama Bin Laden the same guy the CIA funded against the soviets in the russo afghan war in the 80s. The Flaw in your reasoning is that you actually believe invading Afghanistan was about Osama Bin Laden. You clearly don't understand the dynamic of what the average civilian in America is being sold through his Propaganda/television box and what the actual military and economic strategy behind warfare is.

There's the propaganda that you the average sheep is programmed to believe and then there is the reality which you have no intelligence clearance to obtain.




There is so much deranged nonsense in this post it beggars belief


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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19172424 - 11/21/13 08:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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There is so much deranged nonsense in this post it beggars belief




That's exactly what I would expect someone to say when they can no longer further their asinine point and have been placed in a position of a one sentence ignoramus comment.

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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: wowwtf]
    #19172519 - 11/21/13 08:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It's late.  I'll smack you around properly tomorrow


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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: Enlil]
    #19172734 - 11/21/13 09:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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it is in absolutely no way better then what it was.



Really?  In the last 5 years it has gotten better, even.  The right to bear arms was defined as an individual right AND applied to the states.  The right to freedom of speech was affirmed to apply to groups of citizens in addition to citizens...

Sounds like we're heading in the right direction overall.




It was always an individuals right to bear arms true some of the stricter states required an fid card or w.e. but it was always our right. I could walk into walmart at 18 and buy a rifle or shotgun. At 21 I could carry a concealed handgun and did. It wasn't until last year that I felt my right to do this being taken away.  Oh affirmed huh, so that's why people can no longer protest if its against the president or anyone he appoints immune

Yea that sounds like the right direction alright. Not to mention every other right in the bill of rights. Everyone keeps picking on 1 or 2 different rights. No one seems to get it. It's all of them each and every one in some way has been violated, loop holed or completely abandoned.


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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19172874 - 11/21/13 10:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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It's late.  I'll smack you around properly tomorrow




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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: wowwtf]
    #19172917 - 11/21/13 10:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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It's late.  I'll smack you around properly tomorrow




Your efforts will be futile





While I agree that the US often sticks its nose in places it shouldn't, I don't think anyone here knows the REAL reason the US is so adamant about going after the various Jihadist groups. 

it doesn't have to do with revenge for 911, or anything of that sort.  Let me give you a clue.

Go through one of the US border patrol checkpoints on I-10 or I-8, after you've had a barium (radioactive) milkshake for a medical procedure and see what happens.  You'll be suprised.

What the US is trying to do is prevent the detonation of a nuclear device inside the united states, which is one of the goals of certain organizations affiliated with the Jihadists.  This has been known to US intelligence for about 25 years. 

Now, before you start your Moonbat crying about 'oh, the poor people, blah blah blah' the innocent 'blah blah blah' if you think some people have been hurt by the US, just wait and see what happens if the terrorists do set a nuclear weapon off in the US.

The US is going to seriously fuck up every country that they know had any complacency in it, and its going to be sad because millions will die.  And at another level, if you think the US response is bad, just let some asshat muslim jihadist set some kind of WMD off in Israel.

There will be no more Muslim nations after that.


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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19173130 - 11/21/13 11:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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you launch into another rant about how things were fucked up in 1805...




WTF are you talking about? You are the one who decided to bring up 1805 and past history. Actually I was making fun of your pathetic rebuttal to the fact that our rights are being violated when you stated that a few hundred years ago it was worse, thus somehow justifying your refusal to accept the fact we are being dry ass fucked, but I'm sure to you that constitutes just another Saturday night, whereas the rest of us find it unacceptable.

Really? You sound just like Obama when he pretty much says yes I'm a fucking lying douchbag lawyer that has absolutely no problem fucking the American citizen over, time and again, BUT WAIT, look what Bush or someone else did before me. See since they fucked you over too, I'm not so bad.


The history of the incorporation of the constitution to state law has absolutely nothing to do with how I specifically stated Obama was in direct defiance of and guilty of violating our constitutional rights. I gave you plenty of specific examples, as well as empirical data, of course none of which you addressed.



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Which is it, kid?  Is the constitution weaker than the founding fathers intended it to be or is it stronger?




As I have previously stated the depraved, lying, ambulance chasing, chicken shit slime that characterizes themselves as lawyers/politicians have completely violated, bastardized, and trampled on rights specifically written in the constitution, as well as those inalienable, god given, self evident natural rights.

We could easily go amendment by amendment and provide numerous examples of how the politicians have complete disregard for the constitution they were sworn to protect, and no I was not merely speaking of just the first and fourth.

Tell me where in the constitution does it state one has the right to keep and bear arms, and this right shall not be infringed,....unless you live in xyz district, or unless your firearm isn't approved by Clinton, or unless it only holds so many rounds, or unless you are in a specific building, or unless the barrel is as long as the democrats feel necessary, or unless you are a really special important person who's life and that of his family are far more important and valuable than yours (such as members of congress).  Or unless after they go through your personal medical records they find that in the past you sought help from a counselor, or have ever taken anti anxiety medication.


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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: Therian]
    #19173388 - 11/22/13 01:47 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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you launch into another rant about how things were fucked up in 1805...




WTF are you talking about? You are the one who decided to bring up 1805 and past history. Actually I was making fun of your pathetic rebuttal to the fact that our rights are being violated when you stated that a few hundred years ago it was worse, thus somehow justifying your refusal to accept the fact we are being dry ass fucked, but I'm sure to you that constitutes just another Saturday night, whereas the rest of us find it unacceptable.

Really? You sound just like Obama when he pretty much says yes I'm a fucking lying douchbag lawyer that has absolutely no problem fucking the American citizen over, time and again, BUT WAIT, look what Bush or someone else did before me. See since they fucked you over too, I'm not so bad.


The history of the incorporation of the constitution to state law has absolutely nothing to do with how I specifically stated Obama was in direct defiance of and guilty of violating our constitutional rights. I gave you plenty of specific examples, as well as empirical data, of course none of which you addressed.



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Which is it, kid?  Is the constitution weaker than the founding fathers intended it to be or is it stronger?




As I have previously stated the depraved, lying, ambulance chasing, chicken shit slime that characterizes themselves as lawyers/politicians have completely violated, bastardized, and trampled on rights specifically written in the constitution, as well as those inalienable, god given, self evident natural rights.

We could easily go amendment by amendment and provide numerous examples of how the politicians have complete disregard for the constitution they were sworn to protect, and no I was not merely speaking of just the first and fourth.

Tell me where in the constitution does it state one has the right to keep and bear arms, and this right shall not be infringed,....unless you live in xyz district, or unless your firearm isn't approved by Clinton, or unless it only holds so many rounds, or unless you are in a specific building, or unless the barrel is as long as the democrats feel necessary, or unless you are a really special important person who's life and that of his family are far more important and valuable than yours (such as members of congress).  Or unless after they go through your personal medical records they find that in the past you sought help from a counselor, or have ever taken anti anxiety medication.




Don't respond to me about that post.  I'm innocent.  Enlil's the guitly one.


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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: magickspore]
    #19173648 - 11/22/13 05:00 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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it is in absolutely no way better then what it was.



Really?  In the last 5 years it has gotten better, even.  The right to bear arms was defined as an individual right AND applied to the states.  The right to freedom of speech was affirmed to apply to groups of citizens in addition to citizens...

Sounds like we're heading in the right direction overall.




It was always an individuals right to bear arms true some of the stricter states required an fid card or w.e. but it was always our right. I could walk into walmart at 18 and buy a rifle or shotgun. At 21 I could carry a concealed handgun and did. It wasn't until last year that I felt my right to do this being taken away.  Oh affirmed huh, so that's why people can no longer protest if its against the president or anyone he appoints immune

Yea that sounds like the right direction alright. Not to mention every other right in the bill of rights. Everyone keeps picking on 1 or 2 different rights. No one seems to get it. It's all of them each and every one in some way has been violated, loop holed or completely abandoned.



Again...you don't get it.  No right is absolute.  They never have been.  And you are missing the bigger picture here.


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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: Therian]
    #19173658 - 11/22/13 05:05 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Tell me where in the constitution does it state one has the right to keep and bear arms, and this right shall not be infringed,....unless you live in xyz district, or unless your firearm isn't approved by Clinton, or unless it only holds so many rounds, or unless you are in a specific building, or unless the barrel is as long as the democrats feel necessary, or unless you are a really special important person who's life and that of his family are far more important and valuable than yours (such as members of congress).  Or unless after they go through your personal medical records they find that in the past you sought help from a counselor, or have ever taken anti anxiety medication.



Your rants are amusing, but they aren't particularly informative.

You made a claim.  You said that the constitution is being eroded and that the founding fathers would be up in arms if they saw what the constitution means today.

I countered by telling you that the constitution is stronger today and provides more protection today than the framers intended.

What part of that is hard to understand?  If you don't like the way the 4th is interpreted today, you'd have hated the way the framers intended.  And the 1st?  The framers wanted states to be able to establish official religions for a state.  Today, states can't do that because the constitution is so much stronger than it was back then.

If you have a specific point where you think that constitutional protections are weaker than they were, I'd love to hear it, but I'm not sifting through a block of sarcastic rhetoric to find any point that you may have.  Either communicate clearly or expect no response to your rant from me.


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