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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: Smokey420]
    #19151127 - 11/17/13 06:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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"So you're a fucking thief who thinks he should get off on technicalities?  Go away.  Thieves are scum"

I was way worse than just a petty thief, but that was a lifetime ago and ppl change. Karma got me for my wrong doings, I've paid my dues and everybody is deserving of a second chance. Besides who are you to judge another person. You think your shit don't stink?




I'm not a fucking thief




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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: magickspore]
    #19151254 - 11/17/13 06:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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"So you're a fucking thief who thinks he should get off on technicalities?  Go away.  Thieves are scum"

I was way worse than just a petty thief, but that was a lifetime ago and ppl change. Karma got me for my wrong doings, I've paid my dues and everybody is deserving of a second chance. Besides who are you to judge another person. You think your shit don't stink?




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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: magickspore]
    #19151306 - 11/17/13 07:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

:shrug:

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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: JesusIsLord]
    #19155466 - 11/18/13 05:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You have a tyrannical Government illegally invading other sovereign nations, terrorizing their people and then you expect that same government to be just and righteous to it's own people ?

You create the beast 666 now you deal with it


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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: wowwtf]
    #19156254 - 11/18/13 07:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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You have a tyrannical Government illegally invading other sovereign nations, terrorizing their people and then you expect that same government to be just and righteous to it's own people ?

You create the beast 666 now you deal with it




Who?  Iraq after they invaded Kuwait?  Afghanistan after they succored and offered sanctuary to a mass murderer?


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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: magickspore]
    #19163090 - 11/20/13 12:37 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Obviously this government with the jackass in chief at the helm has so far overreached and violated our constitutional rights its sickening. The whole goddamned fear mongering/terrorism/bomb/jihad/ justification for dry fucking the American public is so played out, yet still used.

Can you imagine the founding fathers walking to independence hall to draft the constitution, and on the way the local constable told them to get up against the wall for a "stop and frisk". I guarantee you someone would have been shot. Probable cause? Who the hell needs that. Search warrant, hell no, not with all this terrorism and violence going around. Now Franklin "Up against the motherfucking wall so I can grab your saggy balls and rifle through your personal effects !"

Randon searches? Ooh hell yes, they are totally constitutional. What was the rationale given?

1."The risk of a terrorist bombing of New York City's subway system is real and substantial," U.S. District Judge Richard M. Berman said in a 41-page ruling.

2."Because the threat of terrorism is great and the consequences of unpreparedness may be catastrophic, it would seem foolish not to rely upon those qualified persons in the best position to know," Berman said.

3.Gail Donoghue, a city lawyer, called the searches a "life and death" necessity and said the city should not wait for a specific threat or an attack to implement security.

4."That kind of complacency is a very dangerous thing," she said. "The threat is immediate. It is real and of extreme concern to those who run the counterterrorism in this city."

5."Terrorists are looking for certainty. They have limited resources. An element of uncertainty changes the odds," she added.

6.During the trial, Deputy Police Commissioner David Cohen said the searches keep terrorists guessing about law enforcement activity.

7."Unpredictability is the enemy of terrorists and the ally of those trying to prevent an attack," said Cohen, who joined the police department after a three-decade career at the CIA analyzing the threat of terrorism.

Scared much?

Of course I just love how Obama spoke of how HE had to find a way to "balance" our freedoms and rights in the face of you know, more terrorism. I'm sorry, but I was not aware that our constitutional rights were up for negotiation, nor did we give that douche the right to do so. I believe the founding fathers were magnitudes of order more intelligent, pragmatic, insightful, and prudent  than the asswipe in office with the teleprompter could ever dream of being.

WTF do people not understand about "shall not be infringed"? Or

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

The constitution is a fucking joke. When the government can read your e-mails, listen to your phone calls, look at your personal financial and medical records, grab your 3 year old daughters vagina in the airport, throw you up against a wall and search you, shoot at unarmed citizens while they are running away, arrest citizens for peaceably protesting, force you to purchase something you don't want, or preventing you from purchasing something you do, or hell they can put you on "Obamas hit list" and ghost your sorry ass when you have been convicted of no crime whatsoever.

WTF happened to "no person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law"? If OBAMA says you no longer have these constitutional rights, then you don't. Fuck you, fuck the constitution, fuck the law, "our lord and savior" Obama has spoken, and shall not be questioned, unless you be a racist of course.


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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: wowwtf]
    #19163595 - 11/20/13 05:02 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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You have a tyrannical Government illegally invading other sovereign nations, terrorizing their people and then you expect that same government to be just and righteous to it's own people ?

You create the beast 666 now you deal with it





Um yes, this is exactly what most Americans expect. It's okay when the tyranny happens overseas and results in us having cheap gas and even cheaper goods but the moment it actually effects us? That is NOT allowed!

C'est la  vie l'American.

And MOST Americans have no idea just how much of a role we've played in the destabilizing of democratically elected governments abroad. It's a little maddeninig and a whole lot something to be ashamed of.


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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: Therian]
    #19163880 - 11/20/13 07:46 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm sorry, but I was not aware that our constitutional rights were up for negotiation



That's a problem.  You need to make yourself more aware about the Constitution and how the rights listed therein are interpreted.


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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: Enlil]
    #19164033 - 11/20/13 09:01 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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That's a problem.  You need to make yourself more aware about the Constitution and how the rights listed therein are interpreted.





Oh, C'mon.  Any fool knows that in the US your rights are defined by a political clown who gets up, gives a speech that tells you something is your 'right,' and that your 'right' is being taken away by the clown that is running against him in the next election. :smirk:


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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19169997 - 11/21/13 12:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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That's a problem.  You need to make yourself more aware about the Constitution and how the rights listed therein are interpreted.




I do understand the constitution, the problem being is that over time it has been so bastardized, convoluted, and debased from its original intent by lying, deceiving, perverted, flotsam known as lawyers that we now must debate "what the meaning of is, is"

I do know that the president took an oath to protect the constitution, not violate it, and the american publics basic rights. Of course when Obama uses the term "balance" with all his wonderful lawyer-esque  legalese he is full of shit. There is no "balancing" there most certainly is no fulcrum. It is more analogous to a pendulum, whereas reciprocity prevails. When the government "balances" our basic "god given" constitutional rights they merely are violating, undermining, and repealing our constitutional rights, while simultaneously giving themselves more rights and power to take ours from us.

We could very easily repeal all of our constitutional rights and greatly diminish crime, but fear, crime, and terrorism are not justifications to violate the laws of the country and the rights of the citizenry. Where in the constitution does it read that one has the right to due process of law, unless the president deems you don't, and may kill you with a predator drone strike if he feels he is "so good at killing"

Where does it read that the presumption that the president, on his say-so alone, can order the death of any person, even an American citizen, and this, his deliberation over the decision alone constitutes “due process.” Where does it say one should be free in their person and papers from illegal search and seizure, until the president states that you don't. Or perhaps unless he decides that your your personal phone calls and e-mails are deserving of surveillance.

  Speedy trial? Fuck that too. First amendment rights? Only if your message represents that of the president. The fact that the lying douche in office portrays himself as champion defender of our rights while attempting to violate them is sickening. I wonder he ever just sits in the office and laughs his ass off at just how fucking gullible and apathetic the citizens are. " Yo Joe, can you believe the shit we can get away with, what these dumbasses will put up with, just how far we can go with dry ass fucking them? Sure Barak, I told you to never underestimate just what a " cleaned up, articulate negro could get away with, now lets go read Merkels personal e-mails she sent to her husband" Who said we need a warrant for a wiretap anyhow? Who gives a shit that we have quadrupled them over what Bush had done, HE is the one that should take the blame.

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This from Obama;
Bush “puts forward a false choice between the liberties we cherish and the security we demand. I will provide our intelligence and law-enforcement agencies with the tools they need to track and take out the terrorists without undermining our Constitution and our freedom,”

“We will again set an example for the world that the law is not subject to the whims of stubborn rulers, and that justice is not arbitrary,” Obama added. “This administration acts like violating civil liberties is the way to enhance our security. It is not. There are no short-cuts to protecting America.”

During his presidential campaign he reinforced these earlier stances by promising to "strengthen privacy protections for the digital age and … harness the power of technology to hold government and business accountable for violations of personal privacy."

That means no more illegal wiretapping of American citizens. No more national security letters to spy on citizens who are not suspected of a crime. No more tracking citizens who do nothing more than protest a misguided war. No more ignoring the law when it is inconvenient,"

“There is no reason we cannot fight terrorism while maintaining our civil liberties.”




"I take the Constitution very seriously," he said. "The biggest problems that we’re facing right now have to do with George Bush trying to bring more and more power into the executive branch and not go through Congress at all. And that’s what I intend to reverse when I’m president of the United States of America."
More absolutely fantastic bullshit and lies from Barak.


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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: Therian]
    #19170039 - 11/21/13 01:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I do understand the constitution, the problem being is that over time it has been so bastardized, convoluted, and debased from its original intent by lying, deceiving, perverted, flotsam known as lawyers that we now must debate "what the meaning of is, is"

I do know that the president took an oath to protect the constitution, not violate it, and the american publics basic rights. Of course when Obama uses the term "balance" with all his wonderful lawyer-esque  legalese he is full of shit. There is no "balancing" there most certainly is no fulcrum. It is more analogous to a pendulum, whereas reciprocity prevails. When the government "balances" our basic "god given" constitutional rights they merely are violating, undermining, and repealing our constitutional rights, while simultaneously giving themselves more rights and power to take ours from us.

We could very easily repeal all of our constitutional rights and greatly diminish crime, but fear, crime, and terrorism are not justifications to violate the laws of the country and the rights of the citizenry. Where in the constitution does it read that one has the right to due process of law, unless the president deems you don't, and may kill you with a predator drone strike if he feels he is "so good at killing"

Where does it read that the presumption that the president, on his say-so alone, can order the death of any person, even an American citizen, and this, his deliberation over the decision alone constitutes “due process.” Where does it say one should be free in their person and papers from illegal search and seizure, until the president states that you don't. Or perhaps unless he decides that your your personal phone calls and e-mails are deserving of surveillance.

  Speedy trial? Fuck that too. First amendment rights? Only if your message represents that of the president. The fact that the lying douche in office portrays himself as champion defender of our rights while attempting to violate them is sickening. I wonder he ever just sits in the office and laughs his ass off at just how fucking gullible and apathetic the citizens are. " Yo Joe, can you believe the shit we can get away with, what these dumbasses will put up with, just how far we can go with dry ass fucking them? Sure Barak, I told you to never underestimate just what a " cleaned up, articulate negro could get away with, now lets go read Merkels personal e-mails she sent to her husband" Who said we need a warrant for a wiretap anyhow? Who gives a shit that we have quadrupled them over what Bush had done, HE is the one that should take the blame.




Nice rant, bro...

Unfortunately, it isn't founded in any factual basis.  You have more civil rights today than U.S. citizens had when the constitution was ratified. In 1805 citizens had ZERO first amendment protection from state governments...the same goes for the rest of the bill of rights, too.


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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: Enlil]
    #19170697 - 11/21/13 03:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Unfortunately, it isn't founded in any factual basis.




Are you high? No factual basis? OK, you're right, the Gov. is not conducting WARRANTLESS wiretaps, is not collecting data on personal e-mails and phone calls, is not arresting those for peaceably protesting, Obama does not have a personal hit list, Obama has not killed American citizens without due process, police don't stop and frisk to search innocent civilians without probable cause,entire groups of Americans which have committed no crime are not being "targeted" by this administration, people are not being held indefinitely without bail, people are not allowed to have guns in certain areas for self protection, despite their rights which shall not be infringed, etc.etc.etc.

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In 1805 citizens had ZERO first amendment protection from state governments...the same goes for the rest of the bill of rights, too.




Oh, yeah makes perfect sense. In the 60's people should have told the Negros " Jesus christ, only 100 years ago you had no rights whatsoever" so just sit the fuck down and shut up. I would've loved to see how that worked.

Why don't you go work with some asbestos without a respirator or protective equipment, when you eventually are diagnosed with cancer your physician can just tell you to quit bitching, hell in 1805 workers had no rights at all.

Guess this justifies Obamas hit list, I wonder when he will be sending some nice, comfy, smallpox ridden blankets to the guns and religion types.  Yes, our rights are being violated.

Speaking of the 1800's, I believe you could work for the Obama admin. in their lets use obsolete, obscure laws, to try to justify the  passing of any bullshit legislation to further governments overreaching intrusion into the lives of Americans.

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The Obama administration on Tuesday defended its effort to regulate the tax return preparation business for the first time in U.S. history, basing its case largely on a 19th century law dealing with horses lost or killed in the Civil War.

But he explained that the administration sees the "Horse Act of 1884" as providing ample authority for the U.S. Internal Revenue Service to regulate the tens of thousands of preparers who fill out millions of Americans' federal tax returns.




Yep, makes perfect sense, Obama and the IRS will site a 19th century horse act law, to of course increase more bureaucracy in an already incompetent, corrupt, lying governmental agency.


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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: Therian]
    #19170719 - 11/21/13 03:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

First, you argued that the Constitution is being eroded in ways that makes it less protective than the founding fathers intended...

Then, when I point out that the Constitutional protections are far stronger today than they were when the Constitution was ratified, you launch into another rant about how things were fucked up in 1805...

Which is it, kid?  Is the constitution weaker than the founding fathers intended it to be or is it stronger?  It is certainly stronger than it was at ratification, but I need to know your position before I tear it to shreds.


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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: Therian]
    #19170828 - 11/21/13 03:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Thank you therian I'm glad SOMEBODY else gets it. Keep spreading the truth those that deny it will be the first ones sent to a camp. You know those lovely day spas that Hitler sent the Jews to and one of our presidents sent all the asian-Americans after pearl harbor. Boy I hear those are real fun. You will enjoy all your "rights" while you're there. Oh and I hear they serve a wonderful cockmeat sandwich. Hope you're hungry.

Meanwhile me and a select few others will be fighting and probably dying for what's right.

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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: magickspore]
    #19170898 - 11/21/13 04:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Ok 1st it's both. Its stronger bec we as a species have grown wiser.
Its also being torn to shreds by minor changes and loop holes. You sir are the one that is confused. You are correct in your statement but confused as to why let me clarify.

Back in the 1800s 1900s They did best with the knowledge and wisdom they possessed. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be subject to change like say the abolishment of slavery. They thought black ppl were less then human and should be used as animals. that's wrong. We as we are now know better there for it should be subject to that change.

The rights we are talking abt and say are being violated are things that are NOT to be messed with UNLESS the collective group of people deem so not bec a bunch of HYPOCRITES say so ie congress, supreme court and president.
And 1 more thing the supreme court is supposed to protect us the most but even they have been corrupted.

  If we the PEOPLE agree that these are acceptable loses to our rights to "protect" us then so be it. But I guarantee half the population doesn't even know or if they do they do not realize the extent of it.


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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: magickspore]
    #19170910 - 11/21/13 04:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Ps Therian if u have anything to add or change please do so.


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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: magickspore]
    #19170920 - 11/21/13 04:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

He's talking about the first and fourth amendments...They didn't even apply to state governments until 1925 and 1949 respectively.

And they never thought black people weren't human.  They always knew they were human, but they had a strong economic incentive to use slave labor.


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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: Enlil]
    #19170996 - 11/21/13 04:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Ok changed my post a lil bit I mispoke. They thought they were less then human and therefore not subject to the same rights. Which then led to them using them as a free work force.

As for which amendments he is complaining about doesn't matter. They are ALL being infringed on.  True they were not in affect then but they are NOW. IDGF what they did or didn't have then. Its the fact we have those rights now and we expect to keep said rights till the end of the world.


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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: magickspore]
    #19171006 - 11/21/13 04:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

So, you admit that the Constitution provides more protection today than it did when it was originally ratified by the founding fathers...


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Re: Tyranny in America [Re: Enlil]
    #19171165 - 11/21/13 04:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Of course but only because because we as a species have grown wiser. Now we have unfortunately also grown blind. Also I can only speak for myself and what my views are not anyone else.

And 1 more time WTF does what "they" had have anything to do with what we have now and what's being taken away.

You didn't have computers and the game systems that we have now but if you bought one and someone came and took it away you would still be pissed. Oh but that's right they can just say "well you didn't have 1 then so you don't need it now." and everything will be fine. Your argument is invalid and has nothing to do with this post.


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