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Zen Peddler


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Re: A good Pleurotus Eryngii strain. [Re: thiotimoline]
#19138052 - 11/14/13 08:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm well aware of the idea since nearly every grower uses it. Stamets 101. However my point is that a clone of a mushroom grown from such a strain is unlikely within one generation to degrade significantly if cloned.
people can rate that advice an f and go out and pay $250 for an Aloha isolate because someone told them to if they like - but we aren't talking about a species that required extensive domestication and where only rare and specific isolates perform. We are talking about an oyster species that most PF tek newbies could fruit outside with minimal effort and which nearly always fruits directly of MEA.
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lipa

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Re: A good Pleurotus Eryngii strain. [Re: Zen Peddler]
#19138863 - 11/14/13 10:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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bluemeanie said: However my point is that a clone of a mushroom grown from such a strain is unlikely within one generation to degrade significantly if cloned.
I agree. I have cloned numerous amounts of store bought mushrooms only to find they perform very well after 20-30 plate transfers. Some of the best ones I have are from store bought mushrooms.
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Zen Peddler


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Re: A good Pleurotus Eryngii strain. [Re: lipa]
#19139213 - 11/14/13 11:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thank you I'm sure most old timers would agree.
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lipa

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Re: A good Pleurotus Eryngii strain. [Re: Zen Peddler]
#19140141 - 11/15/13 09:08 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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bluemeanie said: Thank you I'm sure most old timers would agree.
I search through the asian markets and local food coops all the time looking for the best oysters I can find to add to my collection. I actually like to take the smallest (very small) little piece of gill tissue and go from there. Almost all the time I get very good fruiting cultures this way. Mushroom farms, culture supply houses and seasoned MC's all do the same thing. They tell me about it all the time.
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Zen Peddler


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Re: A good Pleurotus Eryngii strain. [Re: lipa]
#19141622 - 11/15/13 04:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lol yeah I do the same - particularly with oysters. the friend I referred to early works on the lab of the second biggest agaricus farm in the area and they no longer use professional strains themselves. I must admit though that I've had terrible luck cloning shiitakes.
there is a study assessing Lepista nuda (a mushroom I've been working with) where wild strains isolated from wild print multispore swipes massively out performed all professional strains from banks/libraries. And I mean significantly better in terms of colonization speed, ability to fruit and pin formation.
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Re: A good Pleurotus Eryngii strain. [Re: Zen Peddler]
#19142062 - 11/15/13 06:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Huh, maybe I should try again with a King from the farmer's market and see if it goes better than the one from the Asian grocery.
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Re: A good Pleurotus Eryngii strain. [Re: thiotimoline]
#19143655 - 11/16/13 12:33 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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the kings i cloned from asian shops went better than the ones from markets. those of the asian shops are packaged in plastic and thus stay fresh longer, and from the markets were sometimes a bit dryer (wich for eating i prefer, but not for cloning). but maybe at your market they are fresher.
kings have a really good shelf life and are thus especially well for cloning from supermarketspecimens i think.
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Zen Peddler


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Re: A good Pleurotus Eryngii strain. [Re: forrest]
#19144318 - 11/16/13 06:33 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah id agree. At Asian markets near my work the kings are wrapped in plastic and are usually super fresh. so easy to.clone on my experience. I did 12 plates and all 12 were viable without any cleaning up required and each pinned like crazy on agar.
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lipa

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Re: A good Pleurotus Eryngii strain. [Re: Zen Peddler]
#19144545 - 11/16/13 08:31 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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bluemeanie said: Yeah id agree. At Asian markets near my work the kings are wrapped in plastic and are usually super fresh. so easy to.clone on my experience. I did 12 plates and all 12 were viable without any cleaning up required and each pinned like crazy on agar.
If they say Kinoko on them they are sterile. Lots of the big companies grow their mushrooms in climate controlled clean rooms. They are even picked by robotics and other types of machinery.
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Re: A good Pleurotus Eryngii strain. [Re: Aleon]
#21398603 - 03/12/15 04:36 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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Aleon said:
Yes i have 1030 also (it is a drumstick variety); i have to admit i havent had the best experiences with it. I did 2 blocks first using X's in the side method and got beautiful 1.25lb clusters on each. So i made 36 blocks the exact same way and they wont fruit! They have been sitting in my FC for 5 weeks and not one pin. Also i cannot get it to top-fruit; i have 10 bags of 1030 im trying to top fruit that have been in the FC for 6+ weeks and not one pin!!! Im kind of upset with this strain; at the onset it looked so good; now its an utter failure. Expecting to get 50+lbs from 36 blocks and then getting 0lbs from 36 blocks will mess up your production cycle pretty bad. Im trying to upload some pics now; ill post em soon.
Sorry to drag up an old thread but I was curious as to if you ever got the 1030 to fruit. I have 6 blocks of it all nicely cased, doing nothing for a month, the other strain in the comparison is past it's first flush already!
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