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    #19144186 - 11/16/13 05:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

“Reason is the Devil’s greatest whore; by nature and manner of being she is a noxious whore; she is a prostitute, the Devil’s appointed whore; whore eaten by scab and leprosy who ought to be trodden under foot and destroyed, she and her wisdom … Throw dung in her face to make her ugly. She is and she ought to be drowned in baptism… She would deserve, the wretch, to be banished to the filthiest place in the house, to the closets.”

“Reason is the greatest enemy that faith has; it never comes to the aid of spiritual things, but -- more frequently than not -- struggles against the divine Word, treating with contempt all that emanates from God.”

“Reason must be deluded, blinded, and destroyed. Faith must trample underfoot all reason, sense, and understanding, and whatever it sees must be put out of sight and ... know nothing but the word of God.”

“There is on earth among all dangers no more dangerous thing than a richly endowed and adroit reason... Reason must be deluded, blinded, and destroyed.”

“Reason should be destroyed in all Christians.”



Martin Luther is not alone among Christian leaders in this warped stance against using the brain you were born with to think things through. This fear comes from the realization that sheep cannot remain sheep if allowed or encouraged to use rationality.


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Re: Martin Luther [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19144233 - 11/16/13 05:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

And not just christians.  Most religious, even if they claim otherwise.:thumbdown:


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Re: Martin Luther [Re: Icelander] * 1
    #19144623 - 11/16/13 09:24 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

And New Agers! Let's widen the net to see how many people we can piss off with a single thread.


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Re: Martin Luther [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19144939 - 11/16/13 11:31 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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“Reason is the Devil’s greatest whore; by nature and manner of being she is a noxious whore; she is a prostitute, the Devil’s appointed whore; whore eaten by scab and leprosy who ought to be trodden under foot and destroyed, she and her wisdom … Throw dung in her face to make her ugly. She is and she ought to be drowned in baptism… She would deserve, the wretch, to be banished to the filthiest place in the house, to the closets.”

“Reason is the greatest enemy that faith has; it never comes to the aid of spiritual things, but -- more frequently than not -- struggles against the divine Word, treating with contempt all that emanates from God.”

“Reason must be deluded, blinded, and destroyed. Faith must trample underfoot all reason, sense, and understanding, and whatever it sees must be put out of sight and ... know nothing but the word of God.”

“There is on earth among all dangers no more dangerous thing than a richly endowed and adroit reason... Reason must be deluded, blinded, and destroyed.”

“Reason should be destroyed in all Christians.”





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Re: Martin Luther [Re: Repertoire89]
    #19146124 - 11/16/13 04:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

He was really into whores. Whoredom. Whoring. Prostitution.  Martin Luther was a pocket puppet, a heinous anus, a spincteronimous going Geronimo.  In short a total Ho.


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Re: Martin Luther [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19146273 - 11/16/13 05:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Martin Luther [Re: Repertoire89]
    #19146500 - 11/16/13 06:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

nothing. 

prepare your anus.


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Re: Martin Luther [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19150179 - 11/17/13 03:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Martin Luther is not alone among Christian leaders in this warped stance against using the brain you were born with to think things through. This fear comes from the realization that sheep cannot remain sheep if allowed or encouraged to use rationality.




I'm not sure you've spent a lot of time in modern theological institutions. The statement you have made is the opposite of what is taught. At least in Australia. I cannot speak for other countries but I imagine England would be of similar standing.

Reason for edit: geographical qualification


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Re: Martin Luther [Re: andrewmurray86]
    #19150371 - 11/17/13 03:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm not sure you've spent a lot of time in modern theological institutions. The statement you have made is the opposite of what is taught. At least in Australia. I cannot speak for other countries but I imagine England would be of similar standing.

Reason for edit: geographical qualification




In more or less words, what you've said is untrue. Do they not teach according to the "bible"?


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Re: Martin Luther [Re: Repertoire89]
    #19150586 - 11/17/13 04:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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In more or less words, what you've said is untrue. Do they not teach according to the "bible"?




If you have attended a theological institution in Australia then please fill me in on the course you studied and the content thereof.

I happen to study at a theological institution in Australia that fosters encourages and promotes critical thinking when approaching any  text especially the bible. It teaches correct hermeneutical methods for approaching texts that are 3500-2000 years old and thoroughly removed from our modern culture. It teaches the truth regarding the historicity of the texts and does not attempt to indoctrinate or mis-lead its students.

So, yes they teach according to the bible, not the modern version of fundamentalism you're probably equating with the bible :smile:

Not that anyone could blame you for that, Christians in general are not very good examples of Christ :frown:

If you're wondering, I am pro gay-marriage, I believe that the earth is 4.5 Billion years old and that our universe is around 14 Billion years old and I believe that Jesus Christ is a historically verifiable person and that indeed He is God. I do not believe there is any conflict between science and Christianity.


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Re: Martin Luther [Re: andrewmurray86]
    #19150608 - 11/17/13 04:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Quote:

Repertoire89 said:

In more or less words, what you've said is untrue. Do they not teach according to the "bible"?




If you have attended a theological institution in Australia then please fill me in on the course you studied and the content thereof.

I happen to study at a theological institution in Australia that fosters encourages and promotes critical thinking when approaching any  text especially the bible. It teaches correct hermeneutical methods for approaching texts that are 3500-2000 years old and thoroughly removed from our modern culture. It teaches the truth regarding the historicity of the texts and does not attempt to indoctrinate or mis-lead its students.

So, yes they teach according to the bible, not the modern version of fundamentalism you're probably equating with the bible :smile:

Not that anyone could blame you for that, Christians in general are not very good examples of Christ :frown:

If you're wondering, I am pro gay-marriage, I believe that the earth is 4.5 Billion years old and that our universe is around 14 Billion years old and I believe that Jesus Christ is a historically verifiable person and that indeed He is God. I do not believe there is any conflict between science and Christianity.




I happen to study at a theological institution in Australia

That only makes me take your opinion far less seriously.



I believe that Jesus Christ is a historically verifiable person and that indeed He is God. I do not believe there is any conflict between science and Christianity.

And this is what I'm talking about, christianity breeds cognitive dissonance and dismisses logic. Its a "philosophy" with an assumption as its center, a series of assumptions all of which must be assumed instead of reasons, believed instead of dismissing without evidence.

Behind science is the need for proof, behind religion is assumption.


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Re: Martin Luther [Re: andrewmurray86]
    #19150640 - 11/17/13 04:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I believe that Jesus Christ is a historically verifiable person and that indeed He is God. I do not believe there is any conflict between science and Christianity

OK I'll bite. How do you scientifically validate your belief that this Christ is actually a god?:satansmoking:


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Re: Martin Luther [Re: Icelander]
    #19150656 - 11/17/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

If you and Diploid are my brothers you reply to me, it's that simple, if I am number three you make a thread or PM for me. I HAVE FUCKING STOOD UP FOR evEryoNE here AND You Know IT, now my father is hurt.

I don't wont this no more.


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Re: Martin Luther [Re: liquidlounge]
    #19150666 - 11/17/13 04:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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If you and Diploid are my brothers you reply to me, it's that simple, if I am number three you make a thread or PM for me. I HAVE FUCKING STOOD UP FOR evEryoNE here AND You Know IT, now my father is hurt.

I don't wont this no more.






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Re: Martin Luther [Re: Repertoire89]
    #19150715 - 11/17/13 04:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)


That only makes me take your opinion far less seriously.


That's unfortunate but only really affects you.



Behind science is the need for proof, behind religion is assumption.

Again, it's unfortunate that this assumption exists. There is far less assumption in religion than you perceive there to be. I would go as far even that there is less than in science. Like I said, there is no conflict between science and Christianity, just between those who have different views.


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Re: Martin Luther [Re: andrewmurray86]
    #19150723 - 11/17/13 05:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

OK I'll bite. How do you scientifically validate your belief that this Christ is actually a god?:satansmoking:


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Re: Martin Luther [Re: Icelander]
    #19150732 - 11/17/13 05:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Fuck Christ (FUCK LADY GAGA) give me my tickets.


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Re: Martin Luther [Re: Icelander]
    #19150736 - 11/17/13 05:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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OK I'll bite. How do you scientifically validate your belief that this Christ is actually a god?:satansmoking:




I don't :smile: that is entirely on faith. Sorry if i gave you the impression that was what I was saying. The historical part however is easy enough if you take a very cursory look.

I couldn't offer you anything that would convince you Christ is indeed God, at least not over the interwebs.

I could show you evidence thereof from history but like I said, nothing that would satisfy you beyond doubt.


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Re: Martin Luther [Re: andrewmurray86] * 1
    #19150744 - 11/17/13 05:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I don't :smile: that is entirely on faith.

Well then I'd say there certainly is conflict between science and christianity.:wink:


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Re: Martin Luther [Re: Icelander]
    #19150761 - 11/17/13 05:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Even the big bang theory remains only a theory... yet I'm sure the satisfaction of the scientific community is filled on that account?

Regardless, I only want to point out that Christians aren't the only ones with faith... The evidence of things not seen.


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